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#1457900 - 19/03/2018 15:25 Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability
ifishcq Offline
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Due to the fact that most inshore and some offshore waters, especially along Australia's eastern & southern states are essentially fished-out these days, I think its time we seriously looked at implementing fisheries closures to enable some species a chance to breed and try re-establish populations.

The Qld Barramundi fishery is a good example. This fishery could be shutdown in the now declared NFZ's for at least 5yrs and an extensive restocking program put in place to boost numbers and create breeding populations in areas where they once thrived, but are now just a foggy memory.

Whiting and Bream in NSW is another good example.
As is Snapper in VIC & SA.

Once the closed period has passed (eg, 5yrs). It could be opened up to the public (recreational only in key tourist areas) for 5-6 weeks every year and monitored for sustainability. And once again closed in necessary if required.



Edited by ifishcq (19/03/2018 15:26)

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#1457986 - 20/03/2018 06:58 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I donít believe any of the species youíve listed are that threatened they need a closure, but at least in nsw all the bag limits should be halved in my opinion. Who needs 10 snapper or flathead anyway?

Iíd also add that in my experience the fishing for some species has improved over the last few years- such as kingfish. Banning the shaded traps and more recently increasing the minimum size seems to be paying off big time🙂 then there are plenty of marine parks with large sanctuary zones, and commercial fishermen have been stopped from netting some lakes and rivers e.g St. Georgeís basin with the fishing getting better each year.
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#1457992 - 20/03/2018 09:30 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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The Barramundi is defiantly on the cusp of extinction, especially south of Townsville. They used to be relatively common as far south as Mary River / Hervey Bay in Qld. But now just isolated to a few remote pockets & some stocked freshwater inpoundments.

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#1458018 - 20/03/2018 11:07 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Sorry to hear that Barra are getting hard to find. At least they're easily bred in captivity and can be restocked. Maybe the bag limit should be lowered from 5 down to 2 per day.

Down this way I'd say yellowfin tuna are way overfished, I've never seen one in 30 years of fishing and spearfishing. I don't spend much time way offshore but they used to be caught from the rocks and close inshore. Mulloway (Jewfish) have been hammered by gill netting in rivers, at least the minimum size was raised from 45 to 70cm a few years back to allow more to reach breeding size. It sounds like there are now good numbers of these smaller fish in some rivers like the Hawkesbury.
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#1458019 - 20/03/2018 11:12 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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NSW has had fishing licences for several years now, with much of the fees put back into restocking and buying out commercial fishing licences. I'm a fan of this system, perhaps QLD needs it too?
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#1458023 - 20/03/2018 11:26 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I agree, Qld definately needs to introduce fishing licenses and use that revenue to both restock our heavily over-fished waters, and enforce fisheries regulations.

And yes the bag limit needs to be lowered, I think it should be just 1 PP. And the size limits need to be changed from 58cm min and 120cm max, to slot size, such as 70cm min - 100cm max.

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#1458114 - 20/03/2018 18:24 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Please oh please do NOT give this current QLD govt an excuse to raise another tax. Lower bag limits & sanctuaries are the way to go but not another licence/tax. Realistically, any govt be quite brave to introduce a QLD wide recreational fishing licence, would be facing a huge backlash & get roasted. The current one is that strapped for cash, they might just do it, and all the money will go into the big revenue swamp, not restocking.
Just my two bobs worths.

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#1458122 - 20/03/2018 18:46 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: Mad Elf #1.5]
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Originally Posted By: Mad Elf #1.5
Please oh please do NOT give this current QLD govt an excuse to raise another tax. Lower bag limits & sanctuaries are the way to go but not another licence/tax. Realistically, any govt be quite brave to introduce a QLD wide recreational fishing licence, would be facing a huge backlash & get roasted. The current one is that strapped for cash, they might just do it, and all the money will go into the big revenue swamp, not restocking.
Just my two bobs worths.


Qld has got so expensive that I am seriously looking for alternatives in retirement. A spot of fishing is about all I can afford now.

We do not need any more taxes. Levies. Permits. licences.
We are already the most over governed country.
Lowering the take rate would be a start for fish that are threatened with becoming rare.

As to barra my son seems to find enough in the wild to keep him happy.


Most of the fish caught seem to head overseas from Qld.

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#1458128 - 20/03/2018 19:19 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Lowering bag limits would be a waste of time. Who can go out and catch 3 or 4 legal Barra on the east coast anyway! I know a pro in the gulf who took 13 tonne of fillets from one river last year. This Carnage means the gulf will soon be like the east coast. I have caught 10s of thousands of Barra over the last 30 years from the same river but haven't caught one over 25lb pound for 10 years.

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#1458134 - 20/03/2018 19:44 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Licenses are an excellent idea to raise revenue for restocking, ramp upgrades etc. If you cant afford $20 for a license to ensure the future of a fishery you have a problem. The banning of netting in the Cairns inlet has gradually led to both an increase in numbers of fish caught, and size. These buyouts could be funded by a license fee.

Those people that go out to smash their bag limits are normally the first to whinge about there being no fish left.. 'I used to come ere and catch 20 barra in an arvo'..
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#1458135 - 20/03/2018 19:50 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Current SIPS licence fee to fish in SEQ Dams is $50/12mths.
I would expect a QLD recreational fishing licence to be around $100.
Given past govt performances, all that money will go into into the consolidated revenue honey pot swamp.

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#1458149 - 20/03/2018 21:29 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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The NFZ around Rockhampton & Yeppoon has been a disaster. The only thing that has resulted is a huge explosion in shark numbers, which means all other fish numbers are now way down.


Edited by ifishcq (20/03/2018 21:29)

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#1458156 - 20/03/2018 22:19 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: Mad Elf #1.5]
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Originally Posted By: Mad Elf #1.5
Current SIPS licence fee to fish in SEQ Dams is $50/12mths.
I would expect a QLD recreational fishing licence to be around $100.
Given past govt performances, all that money will go into into the consolidated revenue honey pot swamp.


Why on earth would you expect it to be $100? NSW is $35 for a year or $85 for 3 years. Completeley reasonable. Or should non-fishing tax payers fund all the DPI officers etc
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#1458160 - 20/03/2018 22:54 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Pretty sure the boat and trailer rego, fuel excise,and a plethora of tax generating spinoffs amounting to hundreds of millions of dollars could cover a couple of dpi fair weather sailors' wages. Buy out the pro licenses and reduce pressure on stocks. Bring in licenses and you may have a few less amateurs and a heap more dpi to run around checking if Dad and his young bloke have a licence for the chance of catching an undersized bream

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#1458171 - 21/03/2018 02:40 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Current SIPS licences are managed by SEQ Water Authority who are extremely transparent in how that money is spent.
In my opinion any licence fee that is managed by the state govt will need to be around $100 to cover the cost of the new bureaucracy and bring in funds for bady depleted coffers.
Its just my opinion given the cost of other licences I have to put with, I hope it wont be that much but I doubt it.
We'll see and yes, in Vic licences are around $35.


Edited by Mad Elf #1.5 (21/03/2018 02:50)

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#1458172 - 21/03/2018 03:19 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Apologies, SIPS licences are managed by State govt Dept Agriculture & Fisheries not SEQ Water. Still $50/yr or $10/week. $36/yr for pensioners.
There used to be a link on SEQ Water website to purchse thats why I thought it was managed by them. Going fishing on Somerset later on, hoping to catch something.

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#1458181 - 21/03/2018 06:57 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I agree, $100 would be too much and don't think people would pay that much. Good luck on the lake smile

I'd be happy for my kids and I to come across a DPI officer while out fishing. It would show them the great work these guys do and help them understand why it is necessary. Unfortunately they're thin on the ground and rare as hens teeth to see out in the field.
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#1458306 - 21/03/2018 19:07 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Cheers Ron, weather was ordinary, got some redclaw for entree, that was all the lake offered today.

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#1459457 - 27/03/2018 19:20 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Get the pros out of the estuaries and no take within a couple of K's of the coast. That is where the damage is being done.
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#1459633 - 29/03/2018 08:00 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Exactly, the pros are the ones buggering it up, not the old man taking grandson down the creek. After this wet season , the number of Barra will be rising soon enough.

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#1459651 - 29/03/2018 10:30 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I don't think they are the only ones buggering it up as some recs do the wrong thing, but I watched two boats pulling nets in the Burnett a couple of months ago and there was a lot of fish going in their boats. It cannot be good for the system.
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#1459655 - 29/03/2018 11:49 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Same in northern rivers nsw. Last year I spen a morning with the old man , took his tinnie down to the river to wet a line and catch up. We were 30km up river from the mouth , and along came the fisheries inspector , dragged us over to the ramp, spent an hour going through all our gear, licences etc, was way over the top , in the end it got heated cause they were hell bent on fining us for something although we were clean , meanwhile a commercial bloke goes passed trawling , we just shook our heads in disgust. Finished with fishing now , not worth it.

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#1459720 - 30/03/2018 08:52 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: BIG T]
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Originally Posted By: BIG T
Exactly, the pros are the ones buggering it up, not the old man taking grandson down the creek. After this wet season , the number of Barra will be rising soon enough.


The recreational guys stuff it equally as good.

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#1459841 - 30/03/2018 20:57 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Get the pros out of the estuaries and no take within a couple of K's of the coast. That is where the damage is being done.


Absolutely, as I mentioned earlier, the net free zone has produced clear benefit for our fishery. The number of positive reports coming out the the inlet now is just fantastic. Don't have to be an economist to know which is better for our region.
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#1459849 - 30/03/2018 22:00 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: Ronfishes]
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Originally Posted By: Ronfishes
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Get the pros out of the estuaries and no take within a couple of K's of the coast. That is where the damage is being done.


Absolutely, as I mentioned earlier, the net free zone has produced clear benefit for our fishery. The number of positive reports coming out the the inlet now is just fantastic. Don't have to be an economist to know which is better for our region.


Make the most of it mate. A changed of government will likely see it binned.
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#1459921 - 31/03/2018 13:17 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: BIG T]
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Originally Posted By: BIG T
Exactly, the pros are the ones buggering it up, not the old man taking grandson down the creek. After this wet season , the number of Barra will be rising soon enough.


Not in CQ area, with such low rainfall this season the barra looked doomed

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#1459923 - 31/03/2018 13:36 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Yeah , gotta get a good flush in the creeks, or it wonít happen. Missed out so far this season in your neck of the woods. Thems the breaks I guess.

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#1459943 - 31/03/2018 16:08 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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So despite the NFZ in this Rockhampton area itís done stuff-all for recreational fishing because there has not been enough rainfall to facilitate the recruitment of juvenile Barramundi. Therefore the adult stocks continue to fall due to the continually diminishing recreational catch, yet no new fish will be available in future seasons because of our ongoing drought now.

Thatís why I think there should be a total fishing ban and a radical restocking program undertaken.


Edited by ifishcq (31/03/2018 16:10)

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#1460939 - 04/04/2018 19:47 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Originally Posted By: ifishcq
So despite the NFZ in this Rockhampton area itís done stuff-all for recreational fishing because there has not been enough rainfall to facilitate the recruitment of juvenile Barramundi. Therefore the adult stocks continue to fall due to the continually diminishing recreational catch, yet no new fish will be available in future seasons because of our ongoing drought now.

Thatís why I think there should be a total fishing ban and a radical restocking program undertaken.


This guy doesn't agree. This FB chat was regarding netting by pros in the Fitzroy and the dramatic change since they have been kicked out. This post was made 2 days ago. He made the comments due to discussion about the Burnett regarding the pros . Obviously I have removed his ID.

I cannot see a single reason why he would lie about it. I checked his profile out and he is a recreational fisherman with a page full of shots similar to these.



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#1460989 - 05/04/2018 10:44 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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They normally lie about it because they are seeking sponsorship deals from Tackle Companies, and the more they can saturate social media with images of themselves holding fish (true or otherwise) the more likely they are to attract their attention and therefor gain sponsorship freebies and notoriety in those circles.

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#1460990 - 05/04/2018 10:48 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Or.

They are catching more fish.
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#1460992 - 05/04/2018 11:01 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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or they are part of the group responsible for lobbying to have the nets removed, but now have to pretend the fishing is better to justify their actions, and attempt to stop the nets coming back lol.

Either way, from my point of view, the fishing has never been worse than it is right now.

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#1461008 - 05/04/2018 14:01 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: Ronfishes]
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Originally Posted By: Ronfishes
Or.

They are catching more fish.


Yep.
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#1461129 - 07/04/2018 08:45 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I think weíre all forgetting the effect of weather, especially rainfall events greater than 100mm leading to steam flows during Jan-Mar which allow recently spawned juvenile Barra in to crucially important nursery grounds such as 12mile Ck near Bajool & Corio Wetlands etc. Its these types of areas adjacent to estuarine environments that link up during steam flow events that are the #1 precursor to future Barra numbers. It in the years since the NFZ s were introduced the poor wet seasons in the CQ area has been the major reason barramundi numbers in the Fitzroy R & surrounds are suppressed.

Strong wet seasons give strong recruitment, poor wets such as the one we just had in CQ will mean a huge reduction in Barra in the coming years.

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#1461203 - 08/04/2018 12:06 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Spoke to my mate Clint this morning that comes down from Rockhampton to stay on his block a few doors down once a month or so. Mentioned comments in this thread. He reckons he's been cleaning up in the Fitzroy since the netters were booted and also said that the Fitzroy due to the vastness of its tributary system is less affected by the need for rainfall replenishment for Barra than many other systems.

He showed me some photos on his phone from trips between Christmas and a few weeks back and he is doing very well in the catchment ,which supports comments made by that other lad I posted up above.
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#1461471 - 11/04/2018 18:01 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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I know this pic has nothing to do with closures, but for laughs, one with a fishing rod, one with a net and the other with a bait box (hidden).
Photo is heavily cropped.

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#1461473 - 11/04/2018 18:15 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Shark food
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#1461476 - 11/04/2018 19:02 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ColdFront]
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Shark food


Yep and there was a shark sighting earlier in the day too!!
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#1462231 - 20/04/2018 13:13 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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#1462268 - 20/04/2018 19:35 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Waste of funds. They should do fingerling release above the weir walls rather than waste money on a thousand fish in a catchment tributary feeding into a system as big as the Fitzroy. Especially when it is also stocked from other systems.
When I was engaged in fish stocking in the Peter Faust dam 24-25 years ago we release 100,000 fish at a time. When the rain eventually come they go over the wall in big numbers. The Fitzroy is replenished by various sources without worrying about the natural die back in billabongs that is par for the course in Qld's catchments and particularly along the Central Coast where rainfall is hit and miss They've even found dead crocs in dried out billabongs on the Cape. It's not that unusual and has been part of climate variability for thousands of years , yet the barra are still here. One dry Summer does not break a system, particularly one that is also supplied by fish from the Calliope and numerous large creeks near its mouth.

The dry conditions have done nothing to diminish the fishing in the river since the netters were removed in November 2015.

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#1462386 - 22/04/2018 17:40 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ifishcq]
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Yep, I'm fairly sure barramundi have the ability to move between river systems, and recruitment is not totally dependent on individual river flows.
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#1462471 - 24/04/2018 16:54 Re: Fishery Closures to boost fisheries potential & sustainability [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Waste of funds. They should do fingerling release above the weir walls rather than waste money on a thousand fish in a catchment tributary feeding into a system as big as the Fitzroy. Especially when it is also stocked from other systems.
When I was engaged in fish stocking in the Peter Faust dam 24-25 years ago we release 100,000 fish at a time. When the rain eventually come they go over the wall in big numbers. The Fitzroy is replenished by various sources without worrying about the natural die back in billabongs that is par for the course in Qld's catchments and particularly along the Central Coast where rainfall is hit and miss They've even found dead crocs in dried out billabongs on the Cape. It's not that unusual and has been part of climate variability for thousands of years , yet the barra are still here. One dry Summer does not break a system, particularly one that is also supplied by fish from the Calliope and numerous large creeks near its mouth.

The dry conditions have done nothing to diminish the fishing in the river since the netters were removed in November 2015.



No funds being spent at all here. This is all volunteer work from individuals trying to save juvenile fish from one of the few last remaining and most important nursery grounds in the region.

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