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#1471800 - 02/10/2018 01:51 Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate.
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Edited by marakai (02/10/2018 01:56)

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#1471815 - 02/10/2018 09:32 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Well of course it is! But not just TSI, the relationship between solar activity and Galactic cosmic rays and the effects of all combined are the main drivers. I do get a laugh out of the consensus mob ruling out solar activity due to the changes is TSI being relatively small. Yet a minuscule change in atmospheric content can cause destruction of a global scale.

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#1471838 - 02/10/2018 14:40 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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#1471884 - 02/10/2018 20:57 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Check out from the 3 minute mark to see what is not included as energy input from the sun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM

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#1473406 - 13/10/2018 18:15 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: adon]
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"Just found this"

https://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/


From that link: "the assumption that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere by trapping heat – is wrong."


Sorry, reading past that is just heading down a science-free, rabbit burrow.

And there are some serious flaws in this piece too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM


Edited by Delta-T (13/10/2018 18:15)

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#1473408 - 13/10/2018 18:22 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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suspicious observers that's a rabbit hole lol.
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#1473433 - 13/10/2018 21:14 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: ozone doug]
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Anything but CO2.

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#1473535 - 14/10/2018 16:23 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Here's something more or less in the other direction: Hurricanes affecting the ionosphere.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/12/study-hurricanes-affect-vlf-radio-signals-in-the-ionosphere/
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#1473639 - 14/10/2018 23:30 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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How about the ionosphere or further affecting the Hurricanes instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1qg8HceGI

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#1473640 - 14/10/2018 23:32 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: Delta-T]
marakai Offline
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Originally Posted By: Delta-T
"Just found this"

https://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/


From that link: "the assumption that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere by trapping heat – is wrong."


Sorry, reading past that is just heading down a science-free, rabbit burrow.

And there are some serious flaws in this piece too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM


Care to name some of the flaws in the second one Delta ?

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#1473649 - 15/10/2018 00:42 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Auroras, Lightning, Sprites, a shifting Magnetic field all indicate a vastly misunderstood related part of our climate. Nearly all of which is ignored in the current politicized era of "weather".

How much energy does it take to light up vast portions of the polar sky's each night ? And what happens to that portion of the energy we only see in the visible field of light ?


Some more info.

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1 The Observations

The influence of solar wind structures and related geomagnetic perturbations on the Earth's atmosphere is a subject of great interest in the context of space weather‐space climate. It pertains to different, nonlinearly related, physical processes such as solar wind driven electrodynamic changes, energetic particle precipitation, and atmospheric chemical changes (Gray et al., 2010; Lam & Tinsley, 2016; Mironova et al., 2015; Rycroft et al., 2012; Seppälä et al., 2014). The polar cap is an important laboratory for this research, since particle precipitation and solar wind‐magnetosphere coupling occur mostly at polar latitudes where the geomagnetic field is interconnected with the magnetic field carried out by the solar wind.

In this commentary, we would like to draw attention to some studies that have quantified signatures of solar wind properties at different altitudes in the atmosphere. Starting with the top of the atmosphere (~100–400 km), it has been found that the periodic structure of the solar wind and associated geomagnetic perturbations, related to the Sun's synodic rotation period and subharmonics (i.e., ~27, 13.5, 9, and 7 days), are clearly observed in ionosphere and upper atmosphere parameters. For example, Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Sutton, et al. (2008) and Thayer et al. (2008) detected ~9 and 7‐day oscillations, respectively, during 2005 and 2006, in the thermosphere neutral density from CHAMP satellite in a near polar orbit at ~400 km; these signals, basically due to the redistribution of the mass density by temperature changes, were associated with similar variations of the solar wind velocity and geomagnetic index Kp. Moreover, Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Wu, et al. (2008) found the same periodic oscillations in the 2005–2006 data of global mean total electron content and Tulasi Ram et al. (2010) observed the 9 and 13‐day periodicities in the electron density at 300 km during 2008. In the lower thermosphere (105–120 km), Jiang et al. (2014) found 9 and 13.5‐day oscillations of the temperature in response to recurrent geomagnetic activity, as observed in the Kp index, during the years 2002–2007; most importantly, they also found that the amplitude of the oscillations was larger at higher latitudes. The response to disturbed geomagnetic conditions in the high‐latitude thermosphere is currently believed to be driven by Joule heating and particle heating (Jiang et al., 2014; Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Sutton, et al., 2008; Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Wu, et al., 2008).
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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018JA025411


Edited by marakai (15/10/2018 00:43)

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