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#1471800 - 02/10/2018 01:51 Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate.
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Edited by marakai (02/10/2018 01:56)

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#1471815 - 02/10/2018 09:32 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Well of course it is! But not just TSI, the relationship between solar activity and Galactic cosmic rays and the effects of all combined are the main drivers. I do get a laugh out of the consensus mob ruling out solar activity due to the changes is TSI being relatively small. Yet a minuscule change in atmospheric content can cause destruction of a global scale.

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#1471838 - 02/10/2018 14:40 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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#1471884 - 02/10/2018 20:57 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Check out from the 3 minute mark to see what is not included as energy input from the sun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM

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#1473406 - 13/10/2018 18:15 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: adon]
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"Just found this"

https://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/


From that link: "the assumption that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere by trapping heat – is wrong."


Sorry, reading past that is just heading down a science-free, rabbit burrow.

And there are some serious flaws in this piece too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM


Edited by Delta-T (13/10/2018 18:15)

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#1473408 - 13/10/2018 18:22 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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suspicious observers that's a rabbit hole lol.
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#1473433 - 13/10/2018 21:14 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: ozone doug]
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Anything but CO2.

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#1473535 - 14/10/2018 16:23 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Here's something more or less in the other direction: Hurricanes affecting the ionosphere.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/12/study-hurricanes-affect-vlf-radio-signals-in-the-ionosphere/
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#1473639 - 14/10/2018 23:30 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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How about the ionosphere or further affecting the Hurricanes instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU1qg8HceGI

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#1473640 - 14/10/2018 23:32 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: Delta-T]
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Originally Posted By: Delta-T
"Just found this"

https://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/study-blows-greenhouse-theory-out-of-the-water/


From that link: "the assumption that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere by trapping heat – is wrong."


Sorry, reading past that is just heading down a science-free, rabbit burrow.

And there are some serious flaws in this piece too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepy1Ig7TdM


Care to name some of the flaws in the second one Delta ?

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#1473649 - 15/10/2018 00:42 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Auroras, Lightning, Sprites, a shifting Magnetic field all indicate a vastly misunderstood related part of our climate. Nearly all of which is ignored in the current politicized era of "weather".

How much energy does it take to light up vast portions of the polar sky's each night ? And what happens to that portion of the energy we only see in the visible field of light ?


Some more info.

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1 The Observations

The influence of solar wind structures and related geomagnetic perturbations on the Earth's atmosphere is a subject of great interest in the context of space weather‐space climate. It pertains to different, nonlinearly related, physical processes such as solar wind driven electrodynamic changes, energetic particle precipitation, and atmospheric chemical changes (Gray et al., 2010; Lam & Tinsley, 2016; Mironova et al., 2015; Rycroft et al., 2012; Seppälä et al., 2014). The polar cap is an important laboratory for this research, since particle precipitation and solar wind‐magnetosphere coupling occur mostly at polar latitudes where the geomagnetic field is interconnected with the magnetic field carried out by the solar wind.

In this commentary, we would like to draw attention to some studies that have quantified signatures of solar wind properties at different altitudes in the atmosphere. Starting with the top of the atmosphere (~100–400 km), it has been found that the periodic structure of the solar wind and associated geomagnetic perturbations, related to the Sun's synodic rotation period and subharmonics (i.e., ~27, 13.5, 9, and 7 days), are clearly observed in ionosphere and upper atmosphere parameters. For example, Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Sutton, et al. (2008) and Thayer et al. (2008) detected ~9 and 7‐day oscillations, respectively, during 2005 and 2006, in the thermosphere neutral density from CHAMP satellite in a near polar orbit at ~400 km; these signals, basically due to the redistribution of the mass density by temperature changes, were associated with similar variations of the solar wind velocity and geomagnetic index Kp. Moreover, Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Wu, et al. (2008) found the same periodic oscillations in the 2005–2006 data of global mean total electron content and Tulasi Ram et al. (2010) observed the 9 and 13‐day periodicities in the electron density at 300 km during 2008. In the lower thermosphere (105–120 km), Jiang et al. (2014) found 9 and 13.5‐day oscillations of the temperature in response to recurrent geomagnetic activity, as observed in the Kp index, during the years 2002–2007; most importantly, they also found that the amplitude of the oscillations was larger at higher latitudes. The response to disturbed geomagnetic conditions in the high‐latitude thermosphere is currently believed to be driven by Joule heating and particle heating (Jiang et al., 2014; Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Sutton, et al., 2008; Lei, Thayer, Forbes, Wu, et al., 2008).
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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018JA025411


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#1474508 - 22/10/2018 23:10 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Imagine the world waking up one morning to discover that all compasses pointed south instead of north.

It’s not as bizarre as it sounds. Earth’s magnetic field has flipped – though not overnight – many times throughout the planet’s history. Its dipole magnetic field, like that of a bar magnet, remains about the same intensity for thousands to millions of years, but for incompletely known reasons it occasionally weakens and, presumably over a few thousand years, reverses direction.


Now, a new study by a team of scientists from Italy, France, Columbia University and the University of California, Berkeley, demonstrates that the last magnetic reversal 786,000 years ago actually happened very quickly, in less than 100 years – roughly a human lifetime.


http://news.berkeley.edu/2014/10/14/earths-magnetic-field-could-flip-within-a-human-lifetime/


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#1474605 - 24/10/2018 22:50 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Some interesting info on various solar effects such as UV flux correlation
with ice breakup in the Antarctic and space weather affecting Ozone.



Solar Changes and the Climate
By Joseph D’Aleo

http://www.icecap.us/images/uploads/Solar_Changes_and_the_Climate.pdf

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#1474992 - 01/11/2018 01:36 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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New Possible Mechanisms of Thunderstorm Clouds Physics

Introduction

It is known that a strong earthquake preparation process can be accompanied by various geophysical anomalies, which expose themselves several months, weeks or days prior to earthquakes. Such as: Changing of intensity of electro-telluric current in focal area; Perturbations of geomagnetic field in forms of irregular pulsations or regular short-period pulsations; Perturbations of atmospheric electric field;
Irregular changing of characteristic parameters of the lower ionosphere (plasma frequency, electron concentration, height of D layer, etc.);
Irregular perturbations reaching the upper ionosphere, namely F2-layer, for 2-3 days before the earthquake; Increased intensity of electromagnetic emissions in upper ionosphere in several hours or tenths of minutes before earthquake; Lighting before earthquake; Infrared radiation; Total Electron Content (TEC) anomalies; Changing of weather parameters.
Physical mechanisms of the mentioned phenomena by us are explained on the base of the classical electrodynamics[16].
As it was expected, in the origination of the above mentioned anomalies the defining role electromagnetic radiation plays.


https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1810/1810.12774.pdf

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#1475657 - 09/11/2018 19:35 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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#1475810 - 14/11/2018 17:50 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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As the Solar Cycle is now at its lowest point, Eastern Australia weather has more or less followed the dry pattern over the past few years, with or without official El Nino's, in a similar fashion to past decades.

Normally as the Cycle turns upwards again which should start to happen later next year, chances of wetter weather over this part of the country should improve over the next few years peaking around 2022-3, again in a similar fashion to most previous cycles.
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#1475836 - 15/11/2018 00:54 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: retired weather man]
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Originally Posted By: retired weather man
As the Solar Cycle is now at its lowest point, Eastern Australia weather has more or less followed the dry pattern over the past few years, with or without official El Nino's, in a similar fashion to past decades.

Normally as the Cycle turns upwards again which should start to happen later next year, chances of wetter weather over this part of the country should improve over the next few years peaking around 2022-3, again in a similar fashion to most previous cycles.


Hi RWM, wondering what your thoughts might be about the effects of the continued weakening of the Earths Magnetic field that may or may not have on the planet during this current Solar minimum?

There is a noted effect upon global weather with Solar Minimums in the past, but never in recorded history do we have a coincidence of both the Sun and the Earth both with weakening magnetic fields along with a Solar Minimum and possible pole shifts on both at the same time as well and also along with the Milky Way galaxy shifting through the Universe as well, and all at the same time.
If you haven't seen it please do have a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIayxqk0Ees

As you already know, the Sun pumps in a lot more than just TSI and what is accounted for under the current status quo. No account is taken of all the other energy apparent but neglected under the current regime into the total un-closed system.

Check out the Lightning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXmyV6IYQs

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#1475900 - 16/11/2018 00:18 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Earthquakes?


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#1475963 - 17/11/2018 00:25 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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RESEARCH ARTICLE
New perspectives in the study of the Earth’s magnetic field and climate connection: The use of transfer entropy.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0207270&type=printable

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#1476059 - 18/11/2018 12:07 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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A mathematical method for predicting solar cycle activity has been discovered.
This lecture is really worth watching. The scientist/presenters accent is a little difficult at times, but that should not stop anyone watching the full hour lecture.

In short, the method has been able to accurately predict the historical solar cycles without observational inputs. They have also used the method to predict upcoming cycles and find that we are very close to the next grand solar minima. Starts in 2020 and runs through until about 2055. From what I can see compared to other minima it will be short and intense. From the end of this solar minima we will return to a period of warming as part of another 350-400 year cycle. She also discusses, super grand minma on longer scales.

The peak of this event will be 2028-2032.

This is very interesting and must see viewing for those genuinely interested in solar weather and its affects on our climate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2215&v=M_yqIj38UmY

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#1476280 - 20/11/2018 23:07 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: GringosRain]
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Originally Posted By: GringosRain
A mathematical method for predicting solar cycle activity has been discovered.
This lecture is really worth watching. The scientist/presenters accent is a little difficult at times, but that should not stop anyone watching the full hour lecture.

In short, the method has been able to accurately predict the historical solar cycles without observational inputs. They have also used the method to predict upcoming cycles and find that we are very close to the next grand solar minima. Starts in 2020 and runs through until about 2055. From what I can see compared to other minima it will be short and intense. From the end of this solar minima we will return to a period of warming as part of another 350-400 year cycle. She also discusses, super grand minma on longer scales.

The peak of this event will be 2028-2032.

This is very interesting and must see viewing for those genuinely interested in solar weather and its affects on our climate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2215&v=M_yqIj38UmY


Lisa Upton quotes some of Zharkova's work in her Solar prediction videos as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBUXln7qdoo


Some insight into how the Electric Universe/Plasma cosmology works based on Jupter's Aurora and Birkeland currents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitwnMK-RxU

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#1476379 - 21/11/2018 19:09 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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A short version and interpretation of Gringo's Zharkova Video above:
https://youtu.be/SHGbri7gWWw

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#1476422 - 21/11/2018 23:32 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Does anyone know what EOFs are? I understand they are Empirical Orthogonal Functions unless otherwise indicated.

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#1476425 - 21/11/2018 23:57 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Analysis of data using time and spatial signals to break the data down to its basics along those two vectors.

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#1476564 - 22/11/2018 18:14 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Thank you for clarifying the perspective smile .

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#1477398 - 27/11/2018 23:45 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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#1478022 - 01/12/2018 16:31 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Originally Posted By: marakai

With the water molecule having an electric dipole moment, it would be understandable for a medium such as ocean water.

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#1478063 - 02/12/2018 00:04 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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It also works with water vapour as well. The Earths magnetic poles exchange energy back and forth with the Suns.


Edited by marakai (02/12/2018 00:06)

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#1478141 - 02/12/2018 15:29 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Water vapour is a phase of the water molecule [H2O]. The experiment linked was for the liquid phase smile .


Edited by Seira (02/12/2018 15:30)

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#1478150 - 02/12/2018 16:35 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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We are travelling through time and space. On our very own spaceship...Earth. Ready made for yas. Look after it.

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#1478773 - 08/12/2018 02:40 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Solar forcing of ENSO ?

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Key Points:
• A solar cycle’s fiducial clock does not run from the canonical min or max, instead resetting when old cycle flux is gone.

• Many cycles indicate that ENSO is related to the phase of this clock, through driven changes in the cosmic ray flux.

• Cycle 24 is projected to end in 2020. We anticipate a strong El Ni ̃no in 2019, and a strong La Ni ̃na in 2020. If so, cosmic rays would appear to have greater influ-ence on ENSO than solar irradiance

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.02692.pdf

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#1479033 - 09/12/2018 22:36 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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A challenge to just about all we think we know.
THE SUN IS NOT GASEOUS.


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#1479415 - 11/12/2018 21:05 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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I hope we learn more about the sun...and that...that learning is not conditional.

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#1483264 - 30/12/2018 22:55 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Rapid intensification of tropical cyclones in the context of the solar wind-magnetosphere-ionosphere-atmosphere coupling

"Abstract

Rapid intensification of tropical storms is examined in the context of solar wind coupling to the magnetosphere-ionosphere-atmosphere system. Tropical cyclone “best tracks” in the southern and northern hemispheres are used in the superposed epoch analysis of time series of solar wind parameters. The results indicate that rapid intensification of tropical storms tends to follow arrivals of high-speed solar wind from coronal holes or coronal mass ejections. The ensuing auroral and polar cap activity including ionospheric currents and ionospheric convection generates atmospheric gravity waves that propagate from the high-latitude lower thermosphere both upward and downward."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682618305765

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#1483294 - 31/12/2018 08:50 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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As 2018 closes with below average rain locally, I repeat my call that with the solar cycle at its bottom now, this rain pattern is consistent with such an occurrence.

The solar cycle should start to pick up again later in 2019 and with it increased rainfall, such rain peaking around 2022-24 The oceanic patterns will as usual follow.
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#1483483 - 01/01/2019 02:07 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: retired weather man]
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Originally Posted By: retired weather man
As 2018 closes with below average rain locally, I repeat my call that with the solar cycle at its bottom now, this rain pattern is consistent with such an occurrence.

The solar cycle should start to pick up again later in 2019 and with it increased rainfall, such rain peaking around 2022-24 The oceanic patterns will as usual follow.


What if the Solar cycle go's quiet for an extended period though as some expect ?
Be interesting to see if this current low off of Cape York spark's up in response to the expected Solar stream of energy from the recent Coronal hole stream expected over the next few days.
Time will tell I guess...

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#1483621 - 01/01/2019 21:15 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Hey guys, only just found this thread had started from reading another , top stuff and great reading. Been an S.O. watcher for some time, very interesting stuff space weather.
Though I may not have much input, I really wish the Mods could some how add a thumbs up button to acknowledge readers support for the content you guys research and provide. Well done.
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#1485354 - 14/01/2019 05:26 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: DDstorm]
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Originally Posted By: DDstorm
Hey guys, only just found this thread had started from reading another , top stuff and great reading. Been an S.O. watcher for some time, very interesting stuff space weather.
Though I may not have much input, I really wish the Mods could some how add a thumbs up button to acknowledge readers support for the content you guys research and provide. Well done.
DD


Thank's DD... I'm also a long time S.O watcher as well..signed up in 2012 as a paid member after lurking for a while.
Nasa and China over the last 5 years alone have taken much of this stuff on board to the point of launching satellites to study/research it all... SWARM Mission being but one example....https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/Swarm

Nearly everyone I know is unaware of all of this stuff let alone a Carrington event type scenario... Sheesh even Carrington comes up as a typo here... go figure ?

I don't think people are aware of what a combined weakening of Earth's Magnetic field combined with shifting at the same time that the Sun is undergoing the same changes means for us all... Nor the possible consequences.

The only constant seem's to be a total disregard for it all.

Current Science press releases seem intent on measuring the equivalence of Gnat foreskins of temperature anomaly's to do with weather compared to arbitrary 30 year periods...
All the while ignoring the very real and obvious effects of Space weather on Earthquakes and Cyclone/Hurricane's already acknowledged by their own launch of satellites to study such phenomena.

Recent discovery's of Flux transfer events and the realization that the earth and the sun are connected inextricably via magnetic (electric) energy fields which flux and wane between the two and possibly between all planets within our solar system are yet another aspect of the Earths Climate not only poorly understood..... But totally misunderstood....

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#1489580 - 08/02/2019 13:20 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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#1489588 - 08/02/2019 14:06 Re: Space Weather and it's effects on Drivng the Climate. [Re: marakai]
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Interesting concept, presumably DC currents linking celestial bodies via plasma "wires", the currents then creating magnetic fields which can influence planets with their own magnetic fields.

To me these plasma current paths must also have tangible "tension", or else could not push/pull against cosmic objects under the rule of every force must have an equal and opposite force.

However, if true, twists in these plasma conductors, would presumably influence the earths magnetic pole orientation. The movement of which, although not widely reported is as I understand it, causing concern due to no one being able to explain the present excursion of the magnetic pole drift presently experienced. Nor predict where it will be in coming years. Thank God for GPS.

If I'm correct, a standard magnetic compass is needing correction far more frequently than typical of past centuries when it slowly "rocked" around a far restricted physical region at the poles. I understand its presently tracked off left field and well outside the previous recorded latitude extent.

Interesting concept Marakai.

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