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#1212260 - 02/10/2013 16:02 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Andy Double U]
@_Yasified_shak Offline
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Originally Posted By: Andy Double U
Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak
ROM was one of the posters who contributed mostly to these threads, however we all know he was banned


Bzzzzt, wrong and not for the first time. He along with several others that used to frequent these forums were temporarily banned, it's just thanks to some rather interesting decisions (read irregular) in regards to forum operation and moderation they've taken their bats and balls and have moved on.


As i said he was Banned
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#1212261 - 02/10/2013 16:09 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Please cease any further public discussion of bans and/or any other form of moderation.

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#1212297 - 02/10/2013 19:42 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Passing by and looked in. Not much has changed.
I think Matt will let me correct another of Yasi's usual deliberate misinformation posts.

I was banned for 14 days only.

I have decided to move on to other fields
Most of you are good decent folks whom i deeply respect and I wish you well for the future.

Cheers

ROM

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#1212303 - 02/10/2013 20:46 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: ROM]
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Originally Posted By: ROM
Passing by and looked in. Not much has changed.
I think Matt will let me correct another of Yasi's usual deliberate misinformation...


LOL - indeed... Nothing much has changed. You are [as usual] correct.

Cheers wink
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#1212313 - 03/10/2013 00:27 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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What fascinating timing you two!

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#1212317 - 03/10/2013 07:28 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Rorschach
Originally Posted By: ROM
Passing by and looked in. Not much has changed.
I think Matt will let me correct another of Yasi's usual deliberate misinformation...


LOL - indeed... Nothing much has changed. You are [as usual] correct.

Cheers wink

Arnost we could see through that disguise immediately. Just wish I could agree with your post, but sadly can see nothing wrong with any of Yasi's posts in here. Might be a little too much sometimes but in terms of facts and figures he is on the ball smile

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#1212329 - 03/10/2013 08:43 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: KevD]
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nothing has changed except for the name....meanwhile a new Government has an agenda to sell off more Aussie farmland to foreign investment?

Don't 'chase away' foreign investors, farmers warned

A leading figure in Australian agriculture and business, Donald McGauchie, has urged the nation to welcome foreign investors in the sector and warned that we should not be ''trying to chase them away''.
Mr McGauchie, guest speaker at an agricultural luncheon attended by farmers, business leaders and bankers on Friday, said foreign investment had existed in Australia ''since the First Fleet'', generating jobs and wealth for the nation. To be against foreign investment in agriculture could ''almost'' be considered to be contrary to our national interests, he said.
''Now that the federal election is out of the way the time has come for us to have an informed discussion about the urgent need for foreign investment,'' he said.
A former National Farmers Federation president, Mr McGauchie said that the vocal concerns expressed by some about foreign investment in Australian farms and agricultural businesses were confusing foreign investors.


''I have very recently seen investments that Australia sorely needs get put on hold because of this debate,'' he said.
''I've had good people who want to invest good money here ask me, 'Why aren't we welcome? What is it, what have we done to upset the Australian people?' … I have to tell you it's pretty frustrating.
''Foreign investment has been in Australia since the First Fleet. In fact, given the good it's done creating jobs and industry and prosperity, you could almost go as far as to say it's contrary to our national interests to be against foreign investment.
''We should be welcoming foreign investment partners, not be trying to chase them away.''
Despite expressing strong concerns about the opposition in some quarters to foreign investment, Mr McGauchie said Australian agriculture had a bright future and should think big. He called for strong research and development spending, substantial infrastructure improvements, including railways, and better access to foreign markets.
Australian agriculture should aim to double the value of exports from $35 billion a year to $70 billion a year by 2050 he said, urging the sector to do everything possible to capitalise on the growth in the Asian middle class. Australian produce now fed about 50 million people overseas, he said, and called for that to be lifted to 100 million by 2050.
Mr McGauchie said the Asian Century would see the emergence of a ''massive Asian middle class that will be almost four times the size of the entire population of Europe and the United States combined''.
In 2009 it numbered about 500 million people, but by 2030 it would include more than 3.2 billion people, he said.
''Given our proximity to Asia, this is a once-in-a-century opportunity for Australian agriculture,'' he said.
The president of the National Farmers Federation, Duncan Fraser, welcomed Mr McGauchie's speech. He said the targets enunciated by Mr McGauchie for doubling exports and feeding more people were ''ambitious'', but beneficial. ''If we don't set these sort of goals then we'll just go backwards and end up being a recessive type of ag economy that only looks after its domestic side,'' he said.
And Mr Fraser said foreign investment was necessary. ''We need foreign investment, but done in a transparent manner, through a register, so we are fully aware of where those investments are from,'' he said.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/dont-chas...l#ixzz2gbig2vYq
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#1212384 - 03/10/2013 14:01 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Speaking of foreign investors:

Quote:
The Northern Territory Department of Land Resource Management has confirmed two iconic cattle stations have been purchased by an Indonesian company.

...The Santori purchase is the second major rural property sale this year in the Top End, with Calvert Hills Station selling in July.

ABC Rural understands negotiations are continuing on the sale of Willeroo Station, near Katherine, which is currently owned by the Sultan of Brunei.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-02/inverway-riveren-sale/4994080



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Amongst the investments that have sparked concern, is the Qatar based Hassad Foods, backed by the Qatar Investment Authority (an arm of the Qatar Government). It’s invested $200m in 250,000 hectares of sheep grazing and grain producing land across Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and Western Australia.

And the Chinese State owned Shenhau Watermark Coal that’s invested $200m in farms near Gunnedah in NSW and $300m for a thermal coal exploration licence covering 195 square kilometres of the Gunnedah Basin.

And the Chinese state owned Bright Foods (China’s largest dairy producer) which, having taken a 60% share in the UK icon, Weetabix and attempted to buy France’s Yoplait, has snapped up a majority stake in food manufacturer Manussen and is targeting wine, dairy and sugar assets here.

Brazil and Japan are active in abattoir and beef investments whilst Singapore based company, Olam now owns 45% of Australia’s almond producing industry.

http://thehoopla.com.au/quick-facts-selling-farm/#comment-49936


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Liberal senator Bill Heffernan, who chairs the Senate inquiry into foreign-investment rules, said every sale of land to foreign interests should be reported and stored on a database.

"We need to work out as a nation where we are now and decide if we want to go where that will take us in 40 years' time," he said. "We are asleep at the wheel -- you can't buy freehold land in most countries around the world."

Senator Heffernan said the foreign agricultural investment statistics relied upon by the government were unreliable.

"The statistics are absolute horseshit because the ABS has admitted it was rushed -- they didn't have much money, and they didn't have much time, so they put out a questionnaire to 11,000 people who had a business registration number associated with agriculture," he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national...h.knBRWijD.dpuf

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#1212393 - 03/10/2013 14:38 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Jax]
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Makes you wonder doesn't it? after all the massive sell off's of aussie owned companies a number of years ago to foreign interests, now it is aussie farmland and manufacturing companies that are being snapped up by foreign interests.
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#1212403 - 03/10/2013 15:19 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Yeah, it makes you wonder alright YS. Maybe Monsanto will offer "weather insurance" here one day soon to help these new landowners cope with the extremes in this harsh land.

Quote:
Monsanto Buys Climate Corp For $930 Million

Who knew betting on the weather could make a billion dollars? It just did for The Climate Corporation, which underwrites weather insurance for farmers. Monsanto broke the news this morning that it was buying Climate for approximately $930 million. The idea is to sell more data and services to the farmers who already buy Monsanto’s seed and chemicals. Climate (formerly known as Weatherbill) has raised $107 million from a plethora of backers since it began fund raising in 2007. Its biggest investors include Khosla Ventures, New Enterprise Associates, Google Ventures, Index Ventures and Founders Fund.


...Climate brings to Monsanto some impressive data expertise. “Climate Corp developed expertise in agronomy in order to understand how climate variability affects different crops,” Index Ventures partner Neil Rimer gushed about the deal this morning in a blog post. “To price its insurance products, Climate Corp’s platform ingests weather measurements from 2.5 million locations and forecasts from major climate models, and processes this data along with 150 billion soil observations to generate 10 trillion weather simulation data points, requiring it to manage 50 terabytes of live data at any given time. Needless to say, this company has built daunting barriers to entry.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceupbin/2013/10/02/monsanto-buys-climate-corp-for-930-million/

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#1212416 - 03/10/2013 16:07 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Jax]
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I suppose they could just add it to the ever increasing number of seed companies that they (and the other chemical companies) are buying...

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#1212517 - 04/10/2013 08:59 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Russia considering total GMO ban

The Russian government has ordered all relevant agencies to examine whether or not to continue imports of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) into the country.

According to reports, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev ordered the action, directing the agencies to make their recommendation by October 15.

Per the website GM Watch:

The order is addressed to Rospotrebnadzor, the Health Ministry, the Agriculture Ministry, and the Trade and Economic Development Ministry. They are ordered to "submit proposals on amendments to the Russian legislation aimed at tightening control over the turnover of products containing components obtained from GMOs together with the relevant federal executive bodies."

'Russia is currently taking a hard line on GMOs'

The Russian agencies have also been instructed to submit proposals "on the possibility of banning the import of such products into the Russian Federation."

Medvedev's order came after a similar directive was issued by Russian President Vladimir Putin following a meeting on the socio-economic development of the Rostov region Sept. 18. Medvedev's orders were posted on the government's website and reported by the Russia-based Interfax News Agency.

"Russia is currently taking a hard line on GMOs - in August the first independent project for identifying whether Russian farmers are growing illegal GM crops started in the Belgorod region," GM Watch reported.

Russian authorities have been on the lookout for illegal GM crops. Recently, the country's National Association for Genetic Safety (NAGS) conducted its first checks of crops for the presence of GMOs, but none were found in any Belgorod fields.

"We remind you that currently, according to the law in Russia, 19 GM lines are allowed in foodstuffs, but the cultivation of GMOs is not allowed," said GM Watch.

After its admission into the World Trade Organization, Russia became obligated to simplify the procedure for registering GM crops, products and feed, seek to stop their safety checks and end controls over their distribution, the GM Watch site reported.

A year ago, as Natural News editor Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, reported, Russia banned all imports of GM corn, following an earlier study by French researchers which showed that rats grew massive cancer tumors when fed a lifetime of Monsanto's genetically modified corn.

"The Russian ban is the latest blow to Monsanto, a company desperately clinging to the myth that its genetically modified crops are 'no different' than traditional crops and therefore long-term safety testing is completely unnecessary," Adams wrote, adding that Monsanto criticized the French study but did not duplicate the duration of it in its own testing. French researchers conducted their study over a two-year period, while Monsanto's study lasted only 90 days.

It's not just Russia being Russia, folks

Other nations have also moved to ban GM foods:

-- Earlier this year, Peru joined Ecuador as the second nation in the Americas to ban GMOs. Local Chef Pedro Miguel Schiaffino summarized the country's rejection by recalling his decision to stop eating store-bought Roma tomatoes: "They're a big monoculture, which is why people usually end up using GMOs. Because when you have monocultures, the crops end up getting diseases, and you have to look for these extreme ways to fix them." Peru, the cradle of the once-great Inca Empire, is the birthplace of the crop, so it says much about a country where you can grow virtually anything to give up GM crops.

-- In June, South Korea joined a Japanese ban on U.S. wheat imports following an announcement by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration regarding GMO contamination. Again, Adams was all over it: "...South Korea joined Japan in announcing a halt on imports of U.S. wheat due to the USDA's recent announcement that commercial wheat grown in the USA is contaminated with Monsanto's genetically engineered wheat."

-- In August, the French government announced that, despite a ruling by the French Council of State that the longstanding ban violates European Union (EU) law, it would extend its current moratorium on the cultivation of Monsanto's genetically modified corn.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042325_GMO_ban_Russia_genetically_modified_crops.html##ixzz2ghcOZeQK
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#1212521 - 04/10/2013 09:17 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak
Makes you wonder doesn't it? after all the massive sell off's of aussie owned companies a number of years ago to foreign interests, now it is aussie farmland and manufacturing companies that are being snapped up by foreign interests.


Could a country possibly be anymore stupid than australia..

We have recently sold off one of the largest sugar mills in australia (Tully sugar)to chinese interests,the largest cotton farm to chinese and jap interests (cubbie station and all the associated water rights)as well as now trying to sell off Eastern Australia Agriculture (the largest parcel of cotton properties in australia and the largest singly owned holder of water allocation rights in the country) ,now we are encouraging indonesia to buy NT cattle stations and feedlots after virtually crippling our own live export cattle industry on the grounds of animal brutality over Indonesian slaughtering methods..

The shortsightedness of our policy makers continues to astound me...we have so much in Australia but will soon own so little.

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#1212527 - 04/10/2013 09:58 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: pogonantha]
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It is like with the Ord river project and trying to sell the land there to the chinese also, what are they trying to achieve? sell of all of aussies good agricultural land to all the other countries and then we have to rely on other countries for our food?

That is the thing when another country has control of a major asset like the Tully sugar mill, what is to stop them from say in a few years time offering the farmers a pittance for their crop? what are they going to do? either they have to sell it to the mill at a loss or not harvest the crop and not make any money...

How do you know that is not part of the bigger plan? move the aussie farmers out because they can no longer afford to grow crops and they have to sell up, and in comes the Chinese to buy up all the farms?
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#1212667 - 06/10/2013 09:39 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Want to know what pesticides are if different foods? what to know what these pesticides can do to your body?

This website http://www.whatsonmyfood.org/index.jsp lists a multitude of dirfferent foods and drinks and the alarming levels of pesticides contained in them! shocked

It is an american based site but one would assume that Australia foods would contain similar levels and similar poisonous pesticides...just another good reason to go Organic!
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#1212777 - 08/10/2013 09:28 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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The only time you see truth in advertizing.....

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#1212901 - 09/10/2013 14:32 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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assuming is dangerous
check with some farmer and bulk handling authorities.
many have have not been available in Australia for years and not used.
cutting and pasting is dangerous with research
end communication
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#1212902 - 09/10/2013 15:09 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Farm Weather]
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no assumptions.

So, what you are saying is that anything that 'may' be sprayed with these chemicals in the US that are banned in australia, does that mean that the food sprayed over there will not be imported into australia in any one shape or form?
Be-it in the form of processed foods for example?
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#1212908 - 09/10/2013 16:48 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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but one would assume that Australia foods would contain similar levels and similar poisonous pesticides
you convieniently forgot to word it in a way which implies the food is imported from overseas not Australian food yasie you really do want to ruin all farmers Australia wide with cut and pastes like that
you should retract or reword at least
like rom I breeze through here now and its the same old yasie website bashing everything not organic farmers and food will check back in a few weeks
and yep ive had words to mods but as usual back you to hilt
back to more sensible stuff bye
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#1212919 - 09/10/2013 18:30 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak
Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak
Isn't that what threads are for? starting debate? debating a topic or a point?

I'd think you need people to be interested in discussing the subject matter, which means encouraging debate, so that it's not all one person's point-of-view, cut-and-paste, original research or whatever. I tried it myself in another thread ("Streamflow Observations"), but am unsure how successful that was...my concern is the narrowing of interests ranges and a focus on only a few subjects when reality or our environment is more complicated than that.

A thread first needs to be inviting and/or interesting - intellect does not even have to be a point of contention if it's left open to anyone who wants to contribute.

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My main concern with farming and food production is a chewing up of the country-side (here, in Australia) to feed an ever growing population. Rarely do I hear "sustainable economic development" over "economic growth,"...that's just my perspective smile .


It is funny though Cosmic if you didn't 'cut and paste' articles you would get the "well where is your source" reply.....
Sometimes a cut and paste article can explain the situation much easier and does not need a massive dialogue to go along with it.

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I don't see a problem with people asking what my sources/references are if I didn't originally make that clear. I would clearly, in some manner, make clear what was and was not my opinion, if I made a mistake.

The same applies when you're using someone else's views, citation is a basic practice!

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