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#1482692 - 26/12/2018 00:30 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Homer Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 16/06/2007
Posts: 6288
Loc: Dural
I've said my piece already, but in reality the facts are that there are millions of obs taken all over the country by the BOM AWS's each year and they are then further reported by WZ.

One person, has noticed one anomaly, and has rightly questioned it.

In reality, that's a pretty good success rate from the BOM's equipment, and it hardly suggests any agenda from any party, except maybe, the OP.


Edited by Homer (26/12/2018 00:32)

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#1482694 - 26/12/2018 06:07 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Eigerwand Offline
Weather Freak

Registered: 28/05/2012
Posts: 477
Yeah, the reef dying off as part of a massive coral bleaching event and Mangroves in the Gulf of Carpentaria deciding at the same time that 7000ha of them needed to die to continue their respective parts in the conspiracy makes perfect sense. Both stand to have so much to gain by continuing to sacrifice themselves to maintain the conspiracy..

Really are some great analytical minds on these forums 🤥🤪

Again, if anyone who contributes to these kind of topics hasn’t read this they should be required to before further posting:

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/A...hanging-climate

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#1482736 - 26/12/2018 16:30 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Seina Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 27/08/2003
Posts: 7764
Loc: Adelaide Hills
Hi Eigerwand,

If the labelling of topics according to certain memes or popularity, etc. had been dropped a long time ago, this may never have occurred and we'd all be happily discussing scientific concepts devoid of innuendo.

That is my impression, take it or leave it.

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#1482741 - 26/12/2018 16:56 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Steve777 Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 20/10/2011
Posts: 5005
Loc: Artarmon (Sydney North Shore)
Occasionally, BOM measuring equipment fails. When that happens it's fixed or replaced. Like any other equipment. No conspiracies.

As to related topics, I believe the science.

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#1482782 - 27/12/2018 01:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
marakai Offline
Weatherzone Addict

Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Yeah, the reef dying off as part of a massive coral bleaching event and Mangroves in the Gulf of Carpentaria deciding at the same time that 7000ha of them needed to die to continue their respective parts in the conspiracy makes perfect sense. Both stand to have so much to gain by continuing to sacrifice themselves to maintain the conspiracy..

Really are some great analytical minds on these forums 🤥🤪

Again, if anyone who contributes to these kind of topics hasn’t read this they should be required to before further posting:

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/A...hanging-climate



The reef dying off and the Mangroves as your choice points of conversation show that you are ether poorly educated about natural history... or blatantly alarmist with your choice of subjects.

Both events have very solid paleo evidence from the past and are also not so very far apart from the current subject of suspect BOM recordings of Extreme Temperatures that turn out to not be correct.

Either the Temperature record was Wrong or it was Right... Conflating the issue with everything else as you have just done because a person has shown that the apparent official record was in fact wrong, just go's to show that the pedestal people like yourself place BOM upon is wrong.

Scientist's are not some sacred cow that must never be questioned... every single one of them ether scrunches or folds their toilet paper just like we all do and every single one of them has the very same human faults as you and I do.

This thread started with a question that was ultimately proven right correct ? BOM got it wrong...

Yet some choose to make it a conspiracy type thing..... just because a poster asked questions that they don't like the answers to.... when it proves a point like the records don't depict realty.


Talk about out of touch with realty.

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#1482788 - 27/12/2018 02:29 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
I wanted to reply but...

"There was a problem looking up this post in our database".

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#1482801 - 27/12/2018 08:16 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: marakai]
Eigerwand Offline
Weather Freak

Registered: 28/05/2012
Posts: 477
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how we’ve only selected from a small time scale to define ‘normal’ temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. That’s why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SST’s, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems don’t care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isn’t something you can have a ‘point of view’ about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that I’m done.

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#1482825 - 27/12/2018 11:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
Yes I do believe Tony Abbott over most climate scientists. Haha

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#1482828 - 27/12/2018 12:17 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
Just for everyone who is interested. I just downloaded the Young December 2018 Daily Weather Observations from 01 December through to the 26 December and low and behold the maximum Temp for Thursday 20TH DECEMBER is missing...hmmmmm

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#1482840 - 27/12/2018 14:38 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
marakai Offline
Weatherzone Addict

Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how we’ve only selected from a small time scale to define ‘normal’ temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. That’s why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SST’s, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems don’t care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isn’t something you can have a ‘point of view’ about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that I’m done.


90% of the time they are using ANOMALY'S to show any sort of change... Ever wonder why ? Even the CSIRO on the first page/ first chart of your link shows an anomaly chart and tries to paint it as an actual measured temp chart.


Edited by marakai (27/12/2018 14:42)

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#1482861 - 27/12/2018 16:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: kizz]
Tracers Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 13/12/2018
Posts: 30
Loc: NSW
Originally Posted By: kizz
This is brilliant. A troll post hijacked by a sensible discussion.


It's why we love you all so much.
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#1482862 - 27/12/2018 16:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Tracers]
Kino Offline
Weatherzone Addict

Registered: 10/08/2017
Posts: 3446
Loc: Wollongong, NSW, Aus
Originally Posted By: Tracers
Originally Posted By: kizz
This is brilliant. A troll post hijacked by a sensible discussion.


It's why we love you all so much.


This is a troll surely? 😵

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#1482878 - 27/12/2018 18:25 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Beltane Offline
Weather Freak

Registered: 15/10/2001
Posts: 461
Loc: Warriewood 2102 NSW
Of course the thread was started by a troll - just look at the misleading heading which blames "Weatherzone".
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#1482879 - 27/12/2018 18:36 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
Petros Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 30/12/2002
Posts: 8025
Loc: Maffra, Central Gippsland, Vi...
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how we’ve only selected from a small time scale to define ‘normal’ temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. That’s why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SST’s, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems don’t care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isn’t something you can have a ‘point of view’ about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that I’m done.


In the context of this thread topic, you are Trolling again, and typically introducing a taboo topic. There are heaps of other forums, take them on.

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#1482933 - 28/12/2018 12:59 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
I must have the final say on this post. Firstly I appologise sincerely to Weatherzone accusing you of publishing fake weather. I have been with you for about eight years and have always trusted your forecasts etc. The fact that you published what the BOM had posted was not your fault in any way and I regret my rash post. That being said, I only asked the question of why the max temp for the day in question was completely different from the running temperatures recorded during the day.
As of today it still remains an anomaly and still there is no max temp listed for that day in the monthly record. To those that resorted to name calling etc, it just goes to show that you have to shout down anyone that has a question or opinion, different from yours, and it is as left as you can get. I will continue to be a member of Weatherzone Pro and urge all of you check your own weather constantly. May you all have a very happy and safe new year.

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#1483742 - 02/01/2019 18:15 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
jimg11 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 01/01/2019
Posts: 3
I’ll go with scientists any ole time, cf TAbbott.

But, further questions apropos WZone temp info - answers really appreciated!

1. Castlemaine, central Vic - 17.20 Mon 31/12/18 WZone max of 36.6 on 24-hour, yet max on past 5 days is 34.5. What be this ...?

2. BOM has Castlemaine weather station located at the old gaol, since 1966 on, but WZone always has a ‘currently at Redesdale’ for the Castlemaine page - which is 30 kms away.
Explanation?

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#1483748 - 02/01/2019 18:31 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: jimg11]
Seabreeze Offline
Weatherzone Moderator

Registered: 18/09/2005
Posts: 10653
Loc: South West Rocks
Originally Posted By: jimg11
I&#146;ll go with scientists any ole time, cf TAbbott.

But, further questions apropos WZone temp info - answers really appreciated!

1. Castlemaine, central Vic - 17.20 Mon 31/12/18 WZone max of 36.6 on 24-hour, yet max on past 5 days is 34.5. What be this ...?

2. BOM has Castlemaine weather station located at the old gaol, since 1966 on, but WZone always has a &#145;currently at Redesdale&#146; for the Castlemaine page - which is 30 kms away.
Explanation?

Castlemaine (Castlemaine Prison) is a BOM manual weather station that reports all its observations once a day at 9am.
Redesdale is a BOM automatic weather station that continuously reports observations.

On the WZ page for the town of Castlemaine:
- Past weather, "year-to-date" and almanac are for the Castlemaine (Castlemaine Prison) weather station.
- However, the "Currently at" (a.k.a. Current Observations) are for the Redesdale weather station, because it is the nearest weather station to the town of Castlemaine that reports continuous weather observations.
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#1483888 - 03/01/2019 17:37 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Seabreeze]
jimg11 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 01/01/2019
Posts: 3
Thanks, makes sense - clears a few things up ... ie dodgy correlation between local weather, as in where we live, & the on-going WZone readings.

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