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#1482409 - 23/12/2018 07:20 Weather Zone spreading fake weather
GOODOLD4306 Offline
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Weatherzone's at it again, pushing the global warming theory. Take last Thursday 20 Dec at Young NSW. The hottest part of the day was at 5pm when the BOM recorded 37.7, my humble little weather station recorded 37.1 but Weatherzone recorded 40.0... This is not the first time something like this has happened with weatherzone upping the temperature allegedly recorded. Come on weatherzone it's about time you started being honest. If you want to be recognised as a reputable organisation start doing the right thing.

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#1482411 - 23/12/2018 07:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Funkyseefunkydo Offline
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Hahahahaha!

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#1482428 - 23/12/2018 10:23 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Raindammit Offline
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Ummm

Young reached 40C on 20/12/18, according to the BOM.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW2153.latest.shtml
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#1482437 - 23/12/2018 11:57 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
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Raindammit, I just checked that mate, then went back to the progressive four day observations and it still shows there, that the maximum temperature for 20/12/18 WAS 37.7C. It's a conspiracy......I think.....and it looks like I need a coffee.....

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#1482438 - 23/12/2018 12:10 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
logansi Offline
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BOM and weatherzone daily observations give a temperature at each 30min interval, the maximum temperature of 40.0 occurred in between observations.
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#1482446 - 23/12/2018 14:09 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
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Registered: 04/12/2017
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Loc: Young NSW AU
Logansi,
The temp(BOM)4pm 36.8C, My weather obs 36.5C.
The BOM temp 5pm 37.7C Me 37.1C
The BOM temp 6pm 37.2C Me 36.8C
Your not going to try and tell me it went up to 40.0C for a period of time then cooled. The temperature had reached its max at 5pm. My temp obs were cooling from 5pm. Remember the Goulburn incident last winter when Goulburn recorded -10.8C but because that was a record and aginst global warming ideology the BOM rounded it up to 10.0C..... Think about it.

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#1482470 - 23/12/2018 18:41 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
retired weather man Offline
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Registered: 01/07/2007
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Loc: Wynnum
BoM instrumentation records data continuously, but publishes data roughly 2 mins, 10 mins or 30 mins, depending on users needs.

And temperature does change rapidly. In Townsville I personally saw changes of 5C+ a few times, the best being a 7C rise in 20 minutes in winter with the land breeze affect at night.

Also BoM weather station sitings are governed by a world standard for consistency. Almost all home based weather stations, yours and mine included would not adhere to the guidelines.

All places have micro climates so even 2 official stations spaced a kilometre apart would show differences. BoM data is for longer term uses, so the one station is seen as representative of the surrounding area. ( BoM definition ).

If the surrounding area gets built out, or a new road is built nearby then the site is changed. BoM then does comparison checks between the 2 sites for at least a couple of years before adjustments MIGHT be made.
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#1482474 - 23/12/2018 18:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
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RWM is correct. Getting a home weather station correct is nearly impossible .
I have done the standard Stevenson screen setup and still have trouble getting the correct temps at times. And micro climates lol.
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#1482477 - 23/12/2018 19:44 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Nerd65 Offline
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There does seem to be something slightly odd about that maximum reading. The realtime 10 minute observation at 5:10pm on 20/12 states the maximum of 40.0 as occurring at 5:10pm whereas the observed temperature at 5:10pm was stated as 38.0. This is the highest 10 min. observation for the day.

Possible explanations could be data processing errors, timing errors, noise picked up by the sensor wiring or the sensor being so fast that it has reacted to a large short term fluctuation of two degrees that has lasted for less than a minute. This behaviour is something I alluded to recently on the North Queensland thread during the "heat wave".

Below is a plain text version of the observations around the time/date concerned from the realtime page at: http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/observations/nswall.shtml?

Young, 20/04:10pm, 37.5, 36.8, 15.3, 26, 14.3, WSW, 13, 17, 7, 9, 1001.3, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:02pm, N, 39 12:56pm, 21 12:56pm
Young, 20/04:20pm, 37.3, 34.8, 14.0, 25, 14.7, W, 20, 26, 11, 14, 1001.0, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:02pm, N, 39 12:56pm, 21 12:56pm
Young, 20/04:30pm, 36.9, 34.1, 14.2, 25, 14.3, WSW, 22, 39, 12, 21, 999.2, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:02pm, WSW, 39 04:26pm, 21 04:26pm
Young, 20/04:40pm, 37.3, 35.7, 14.0, 25, 14.7, WSW, 15, 20, 8, 11, 1000.5, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:02pm, WSW, 39 04:26pm, 21 04:26pm
Young, 20/04:50pm, 37.7, 36.2, 14.3, 25, 14.8, SW, 15, 20, 8, 11, 1000.3, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:48pm, WSW, 39 04:26pm, 21 04:26pm
Young, 20/05:00pm, 37.7, 35.8, 14.3, 25, 14.8, WSW, 17, 30, 9, 16, 998.4, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 38.2 04:48pm, WSW, 39 04:26pm, 21 04:26pm
Young, 20/05:10pm, 38.0, 36.9, 15.2, 26, 14.6, WSW, 15, 20, 8, 11, 999.9, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 40.0 05:10pm, WSW, 39 04:26pm, 21 04:26pm
Young, 20/05:20pm, 37.7, 33.2, 13.7, 24, 15.1, SW, 30, 43, 16, 23, 999.8, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
Young, 20/05:30pm, 37.0, 33.4, 13.1, 24, 14.9, WSW, 24, 37, 13, 20, 998.1, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
Young, 20/05:40pm, 37.2, 34.8, 12.6, 23, 15.2, W, 17, 20, 9, 11, 999.7, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
Young, 20/05:50pm, 37.2, 34.0, 11.9, 22, 15.5, WSW, 20, 24, 11, 13, 999.7, 0.0, 18.4 05:10am, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
Young, 20/06:00pm, 37.0, 34.9, 13.7, 25, 14.6, WSW, 17, 28, 9, 15, 998.2, 0.0, 36.9 06:00pm, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
Young, 20/06:10pm, 36.4, 32.5, 14.4, 27, 13.9, SW, 28, 35, 15, 19, 1000.0, 0.0, 36.3 06:10pm, 40.0 05:10pm, SW, 43 05:20pm, 23 05:20pm
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#1482479 - 23/12/2018 20:10 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Blair Trewin Offline
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It's not unheard of for temperature to spike by a degree or more within a minute, particularly on hot days in arid climates. There was a particularly striking example in Alice Springs in November 2014 when the temperature spiked up by 4 degrees within a minute - our initial assumption was that this was an instrument fault but the peak temperature was backed up by a manual maximum thermometer.

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#1482480 - 23/12/2018 20:11 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
retired weather man Offline
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Registered: 01/07/2007
Posts: 5142
Loc: Wynnum
Basic equipment exposure criteria is as follows -

Temperature 4 to 5 feet ( closer to 4 ) above ground and shaded.

For frost purposes, a minimum temperature of 2deg ( at 4 feet AGL ) is defined as a frost. I have a thermometer also exposed on the ground for my daily reports, and in winter there is often a 2 to 3 degree difference between the 4 foot and ground thermometers. Summer sees closer readings and in rain the readings can be close to identical.

Rain 1 foot above ground for the rim of the gauge. The higher the gauge above ground, the lower the rainfall.

Herein lies the first problem. Almost all home weather stations have rain and temp/humidity sensors together and cannot be separated in height.

Many home based units are up on fences, high poles and even roof mounted, and in todays claustrophobic living conditions the required distances away from buildings are not met..

Site should be a minimum of twice the distance, and preferably 4 times the distance away from an object. For instance for a 10 metre building, temps and rain should be 40 metres away.

Wind is even more critical. Wind should be taken 10 metres above ground and at least 10 times the distance from the nearest object. In other words if there is a 100 metre hill, the wind should be measured at least 1km away.

With many buildings now coated in glass, the reflected heat means temperature readings should be further away again.

This is why a majority of sites are on airport fringes, well away from obstructions and roads, runways etc.

It is almost impossible for city temperatures to be fully accurate not only with siting but also with all that heat being continually GENERATED by human living - air cons, dryers, dishwashers ( all high KW usage and heat output ), plus glass, bitumen, and cars - and the list goes on.

I published the above in the hope that it might be of assistance to the person who started this thread and hope also that this person takes meteorology seriously.


Edited by retired weather man (23/12/2018 20:13)
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#1482481 - 23/12/2018 20:18 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Foehn Correspondent Offline
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RWM / Blair,

I take it that BOM equipment is subject to regular checks and calibrations to ensure that they are reading correctly?
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#1482483 - 23/12/2018 20:26 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Blair Trewin]
Nerd65 Offline
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Thanks Blair.

A question: At stations were both automated and manual observations are made which one is used for the historically recorded maximum and minimum temperature?
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#1482488 - 23/12/2018 21:18 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Blair Trewin Offline
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
At stations which had both, the automated instruments became the primary instruments for max/min temperature as of 1 November 1996. (We've analysed the places where we do have both and found no evidence of any significant difference between the automated and manual measurements where they are both in the same place; one advantage here is that we kept the same type of screen when we moved to automated measurements, which a lot of countries didn't).

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#1482489 - 23/12/2018 21:19 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Foehn Correspondent]
Blair Trewin Offline
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Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Originally Posted By: Foehn Correspondent
RWM / Blair,

I take it that BOM equipment is subject to regular checks and calibrations to ensure that they are reading correctly?


Yes. Usually 1-2 times per year.

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#1482492 - 23/12/2018 21:59 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: retired weather man]
Homer Offline
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Registered: 16/06/2007
Posts: 6288
Loc: Dural
Originally Posted By: retired weather man
Basic equipment exposure criteria is as follows -

Temperature 4 to 5 feet ( closer to 4 ) above ground and shaded.

For frost purposes, a minimum temperature of 2deg ( at 4 feet AGL ) is defined as a frost. I have a thermometer also exposed on the ground for my daily reports, and in winter there is often a 2 to 3 degree difference between the 4 foot and ground thermometers. Summer sees closer readings and in rain the readings can be close to identical.

Rain 1 foot above ground for the rim of the gauge. The higher the gauge above ground, the lower the rainfall.

Herein lies the first problem. Almost all home weather stations have rain and temp/humidity sensors together and cannot be separated in height.

Many home based units are up on fences, high poles and even roof mounted, and in todays claustrophobic living conditions the required distances away from buildings are not met..

Site should be a minimum of twice the distance, and preferably 4 times the distance away from an object. For instance for a 10 metre building, temps and rain should be 40 metres away.

Wind is even more critical. Wind should be taken 10 metres above ground and at least 10 times the distance from the nearest object. In other words if there is a 100 metre hill, the wind should be measured at least 1km away.

With many buildings now coated in glass, the reflected heat means temperature readings should be further away again.

This is why a majority of sites are on airport fringes, well away from obstructions and roads, runways etc.

It is almost impossible for city temperatures to be fully accurate not only with siting but also with all that heat being continually GENERATED by human living - air cons, dryers, dishwashers ( all high KW usage and heat output ), plus glass, bitumen, and cars - and the list goes on.

I published the above in the hope that it might be of assistance to the person who started this thread and hope also that this person takes meteorology seriously.


Fantastic post, and thanks for taking the time to do so.
All of what you have said makes perfect logical sense and I'm not sure why anyone would doubt the reasoning, other than through ignorance.
Blair's explanations also makes perfect sense.

I'm comfortable in believing scientific instruments and the reasons given by experienced and well credentialed meteorologists and climate analysts for possible anomalies than some blow in on a public forum suggesting an agenda for such anomalies.


Edited by Homer (23/12/2018 22:01)

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#1482514 - 24/12/2018 08:41 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
retired weather man Offline
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Thanks Homer. During my 30 year tenure with BoM, instrumentation and radar/radiosonde work were my speciality.
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#1482518 - 24/12/2018 09:19 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
kizz Offline
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This is brilliant. A troll post hijacked by a sensible discussion.

I have always wanted a PWS since my days sitting in the old Macquarie University weather enclosure taking manual readings at regular intervals. This was all day so I had plenty of time to dream about electronic weather instruments. Showing my age.

The positioning of the sensors was something I agonised over given the less than ideal suburban backyard options.

One issue I couldn't understand with Davis was the solar/UV sensor being built in to the rain/temp instrument. It would make more sense to have that separated so it could be mounted on the roof. Mounted on the same pole as the anemometer.

RWM might know: I have noticed that Sydney Airport never reports a full day of sunshine hours when a completely cloudless day occurs. Is this due to the instrument not detecting the sun in the 20-30 minutes from dawn and dusk?


Edited by kizz (24/12/2018 09:23)
Edit Reason: hyperdimensional wormholes
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#1482527 - 24/12/2018 10:13 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
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Loc: Young NSW AU
Gentlemen,
Thank you for all your replies and information. I hope that I'm not the "TROLL", Kizz, just someone trying to understand, why, even BOM records state a recorded maximun temperature its often ramped up to an unrecorded temperature and published as being the maximun temperature. If you look at NERD65's post, 5.10pm was posted as the MAXIMUM temperature for Young on that day at 38.0C. Its there in black and white. Young does not suffer from micro temperature bursts unlike areas of large metropolitan centres surrounded by concrete, tar and glass. Young is on the western side of the Great Dividing range it is noted as the hilltops region of south west NSW and not coastal or tropical. Tony Abbott had a concerns about BOM supplying misleading information. I think we should all start questioning and asking why......
Merry Christmas to you all

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#1482545 - 24/12/2018 12:10 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Funkyseefunkydo Offline
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You believe tony Abbott over scientists?

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#1482551 - 24/12/2018 12:41 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
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Originally Posted By: Twinkletoes
Gentlemen,
Thank you for all your replies and information. I hope that I'm not the "TROLL", Kizz, just someone trying to understand, why, even BOM records state a recorded maximun temperature its often ramped up to an unrecorded temperature and published as being the maximun temperature. If you look at NERD65's post, 5.10pm was posted as the MAXIMUM temperature for Young on that day at 38.0C. Its there in black and white. Young does not suffer from micro temperature bursts unlike areas of large metropolitan centres surrounded by concrete, tar and glass. Young is on the western side of the Great Dividing range it is noted as the hilltops region of south west NSW and not coastal or tropical. Tony Abbott had a concerns about BOM supplying misleading information. I think we should all start questioning and asking why......
Merry Christmas to you all


Mate you are barking up the wrong tree here...data is recorded in a continuous stream down to the seconds value not every 10 mins...major fluctuations are always going to occur from what you see on the external page data column, just focus on the max temp column, thats where the max will go after sampling ALL the data not just the tablulated 10minute obs.

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#1482560 - 24/12/2018 13:04 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Raindammit]
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Originally Posted By: Raindammit
Ummm

Young reached 40C on 20/12/18, according to the BOM.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW2153.latest.shtml



Might be a dumb question, but this link returns this:



.....so why is the max temp data blank, and if the data is sampled at 2 seconds, that the max temp over the December first 24 days only showing 37C?

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#1482562 - 24/12/2018 13:27 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
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Could have been an outage, that will do it or been flagged in the system for some reason.

TS cool

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#1482567 - 24/12/2018 14:53 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Petros]
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Not a dumb question Petros, the link did show 40C as the maximum for 20/12 when I posted it.
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#1482569 - 24/12/2018 15:11 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Kino Offline
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Looks to me like is been quality controlled and pulled until itís checked.

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#1482573 - 24/12/2018 15:30 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Blair Trewin Offline
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Can confirm it's been flagged as suspect. The page linked above automatically stops showing observations once they're flagged.


Edited by Blair Trewin (24/12/2018 15:33)

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#1482650 - 25/12/2018 12:40 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Raindammit]
RandomGuy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Raindammit
Not a dumb question Petros, the link did show 40C as the maximum for 20/12 when I posted it.


I also saw 40c when the link was first posted.

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#1482658 - 25/12/2018 16:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Morham Offline
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Originally Posted By: Twinkletoes
Weatherzone's at it again, pushing the global warming theory..

Weatherzone doesn't have to push anything. Global heating will occur and is occurring regardless of readings from one weather station in one part of the world. Watch how many more heat records fall this summer, and the next, and the next on multiple weather stations in Australia and other countries.

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#1482659 - 25/12/2018 17:05 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Kino Offline
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That subject is banned.

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#1482665 - 25/12/2018 19:47 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
marakai Offline
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Wonder if it would of been pulled if not for this thread?

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#1482666 - 25/12/2018 20:08 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Mega Offline
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lol @ the conspiracy theorists.

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#1482667 - 25/12/2018 20:25 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
marakai Offline
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lol @ the non questioning types.

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#1482669 - 25/12/2018 21:04 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: marakai]
Mega Offline
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Originally Posted By: marakai
lol @ the non questioning types.


It was an error, get over it.

And a misleading thread title to boot since it was recorded in BoM's obs, which WZ's data is based off.

Originally Posted By: Morham
Originally Posted By: Twinkletoes
Weatherzone's at it again, pushing the global warming theory..

Weatherzone doesn't have to push anything. Global heating will occur and is occurring regardless of readings from one weather station in one part of the world. Watch how many more heat records fall this summer, and the next, and the next on multiple weather stations in Australia and other countries.


You're wasting your time champ.

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#1482674 - 25/12/2018 21:53 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
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One anomaly donít make a conspiracy champ... move on to Chem trails and flat earth pal. Nothing to see here... I have my setup the best i can but it does vary at times, and rapid..... all seems to be about the immediate air mass to me.

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#1482675 - 25/12/2018 21:54 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: marakai]
Funkyseefunkydo Offline
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Originally Posted By: marakai
lol @ the non questioning types.

Lol @ the non qualified that think they know more then scientists.

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#1482676 - 25/12/2018 21:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Kino Offline
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Lol @ those who get threatened by people asking questions and then beating their chests. So lame.

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#1482684 - 25/12/2018 23:13 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Funkyseefunkydo]
marakai Offline
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Originally Posted By: Funkyseefunkydo
Originally Posted By: marakai
lol @ the non questioning types.

Lol @ the non qualified that think they know more then scientists.


lol @ the cause they said so crew, Stomach ulcers, Continental drift, Flat Earth, the heliocentric system, Evolution, Ignaz Semmelweis and hand washing, Mendel and Genetics.

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#1482686 - 25/12/2018 23:21 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Seina]
Kazz63 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Seina
This discussion appears to be digging a hole...
But rather amusing to watch. It intrigues me that the OP has only ever posted about this exact topic twice, a few days before Xmas, last year & again this year. Is this the only time it concerns you dude?
Something to fill in the lull on the yearly holidays?
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#1482688 - 25/12/2018 23:37 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Funkyseefunkydo Offline
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i think itís run itís course.

PIE IS EXACTLY 3!

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#1482690 - 25/12/2018 23:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Funkyseefunkydo]
Pooraka Offline
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Registered: 24/02/2006
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Loc: Pooraka, Adelaide, South Austr...
Originally Posted By: Funkyseefunkydo
i think itís run itís course.

PIE IS EXACTLY 3!


No its not its 3.1415926535897932384626433...

Sorry its christmas and i've been drinking grin

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#1482692 - 26/12/2018 00:30 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Homer Offline
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Registered: 16/06/2007
Posts: 6288
Loc: Dural
I've said my piece already, but in reality the facts are that there are millions of obs taken all over the country by the BOM AWS's each year and they are then further reported by WZ.

One person, has noticed one anomaly, and has rightly questioned it.

In reality, that's a pretty good success rate from the BOM's equipment, and it hardly suggests any agenda from any party, except maybe, the OP.


Edited by Homer (26/12/2018 00:32)

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#1482694 - 26/12/2018 06:07 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Eigerwand Offline
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Registered: 28/05/2012
Posts: 477
Yeah, the reef dying off as part of a massive coral bleaching event and Mangroves in the Gulf of Carpentaria deciding at the same time that 7000ha of them needed to die to continue their respective parts in the conspiracy makes perfect sense. Both stand to have so much to gain by continuing to sacrifice themselves to maintain the conspiracy..

Really are some great analytical minds on these forums 🤥🤪

Again, if anyone who contributes to these kind of topics hasnít read this they should be required to before further posting:

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/A...hanging-climate

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#1482736 - 26/12/2018 16:30 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Seina Offline
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Registered: 27/08/2003
Posts: 7764
Loc: Adelaide Hills
Hi Eigerwand,

If the labelling of topics according to certain memes or popularity, etc. had been dropped a long time ago, this may never have occurred and we'd all be happily discussing scientific concepts devoid of innuendo.

That is my impression, take it or leave it.

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#1482741 - 26/12/2018 16:56 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Steve777 Offline
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Registered: 20/10/2011
Posts: 5005
Loc: Artarmon (Sydney North Shore)
Occasionally, BOM measuring equipment fails. When that happens it's fixed or replaced. Like any other equipment. No conspiracies.

As to related topics, I believe the science.

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#1482782 - 27/12/2018 01:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Yeah, the reef dying off as part of a massive coral bleaching event and Mangroves in the Gulf of Carpentaria deciding at the same time that 7000ha of them needed to die to continue their respective parts in the conspiracy makes perfect sense. Both stand to have so much to gain by continuing to sacrifice themselves to maintain the conspiracy..

Really are some great analytical minds on these forums 🤥🤪

Again, if anyone who contributes to these kind of topics hasnít read this they should be required to before further posting:

https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/OandA/A...hanging-climate



The reef dying off and the Mangroves as your choice points of conversation show that you are ether poorly educated about natural history... or blatantly alarmist with your choice of subjects.

Both events have very solid paleo evidence from the past and are also not so very far apart from the current subject of suspect BOM recordings of Extreme Temperatures that turn out to not be correct.

Either the Temperature record was Wrong or it was Right... Conflating the issue with everything else as you have just done because a person has shown that the apparent official record was in fact wrong, just go's to show that the pedestal people like yourself place BOM upon is wrong.

Scientist's are not some sacred cow that must never be questioned... every single one of them ether scrunches or folds their toilet paper just like we all do and every single one of them has the very same human faults as you and I do.

This thread started with a question that was ultimately proven right correct ? BOM got it wrong...

Yet some choose to make it a conspiracy type thing..... just because a poster asked questions that they don't like the answers to.... when it proves a point like the records don't depict realty.


Talk about out of touch with realty.

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#1482788 - 27/12/2018 02:29 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
I wanted to reply but...

"There was a problem looking up this post in our database".

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#1482801 - 27/12/2018 08:16 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: marakai]
Eigerwand Offline
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Registered: 28/05/2012
Posts: 477
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how weíve only selected from a small time scale to define Ďnormalí temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. Thatís why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SSTís, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems donít care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isnít something you can have a Ďpoint of viewí about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that Iím done.

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#1482825 - 27/12/2018 11:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
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Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
Yes I do believe Tony Abbott over most climate scientists. Haha

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#1482828 - 27/12/2018 12:17 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
Just for everyone who is interested. I just downloaded the Young December 2018 Daily Weather Observations from 01 December through to the 26 December and low and behold the maximum Temp for Thursday 20TH DECEMBER is missing...hmmmmm

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#1482840 - 27/12/2018 14:38 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2268
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how weíve only selected from a small time scale to define Ďnormalí temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. Thatís why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SSTís, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems donít care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isnít something you can have a Ďpoint of viewí about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that Iím done.


90% of the time they are using ANOMALY'S to show any sort of change... Ever wonder why ? Even the CSIRO on the first page/ first chart of your link shows an anomaly chart and tries to paint it as an actual measured temp chart.


Edited by marakai (27/12/2018 14:42)

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#1482861 - 27/12/2018 16:52 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: kizz]
Tracers Offline
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Registered: 13/12/2018
Posts: 30
Loc: NSW
Originally Posted By: kizz
This is brilliant. A troll post hijacked by a sensible discussion.


It's why we love you all so much.
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#1482862 - 27/12/2018 16:58 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Tracers]
Kino Offline
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Registered: 10/08/2017
Posts: 3446
Loc: Wollongong, NSW, Aus
Originally Posted By: Tracers
Originally Posted By: kizz
This is brilliant. A troll post hijacked by a sensible discussion.


It's why we love you all so much.


This is a troll surely? 😵

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#1482878 - 27/12/2018 18:25 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
Beltane Offline
Weather Freak

Registered: 15/10/2001
Posts: 461
Loc: Warriewood 2102 NSW
Of course the thread was started by a troll - just look at the misleading heading which blames "Weatherzone".
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#1482879 - 27/12/2018 18:36 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Eigerwand]
Petros Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 30/12/2002
Posts: 8025
Loc: Maffra, Central Gippsland, Vi...
Originally Posted By: Eigerwand
Seriously man wake up. The ecosystems I chose were arbitrary as there are many I could have chosen to make the point.
My point is, yes, types like yourself can go on all they like about how weíve only selected from a small time scale to define Ďnormalí temps but when basically every ecosystem system shows signs of stress due to abnormal or accllerated changes in temp, it adds weight to the hypothesis that the observations are departures from normal. Thatís why I also stuck the CSIRO report in the Climate Driver Thread the other week. A few weeks back heaps of you on there were questioning the validity of the SSTís, well, you now have evidence from the ecosystems themselves as to whether the temps are normal. These ecosystems donít care about politics, leftist conspiracies or points of view. They simply respond to their environment and we can either choose to ignore it or we can use it as evidence to back up our theories about the world we live in. The combination of theory + observation is called science, this isnít something you can have a Ďpoint of viewí about. Scientists get things wrong, and they know that that is inherent within the method, but you must use this method to prove it wrong or to refute a finding, not simply just say you have the right to question because you have a mouth or a keypad.

Again, it is about probabilities. The collective weight of evidence suggests something abnormal is occurring and there are clear reasons as to why.

And with that Iím done.


In the context of this thread topic, you are Trolling again, and typically introducing a taboo topic. There are heaps of other forums, take them on.

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#1482933 - 28/12/2018 12:59 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
GOODOLD4306 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 04/12/2017
Posts: 10
Loc: Young NSW AU
I must have the final say on this post. Firstly I appologise sincerely to Weatherzone accusing you of publishing fake weather. I have been with you for about eight years and have always trusted your forecasts etc. The fact that you published what the BOM had posted was not your fault in any way and I regret my rash post. That being said, I only asked the question of why the max temp for the day in question was completely different from the running temperatures recorded during the day.
As of today it still remains an anomaly and still there is no max temp listed for that day in the monthly record. To those that resorted to name calling etc, it just goes to show that you have to shout down anyone that has a question or opinion, different from yours, and it is as left as you can get. I will continue to be a member of Weatherzone Pro and urge all of you check your own weather constantly. May you all have a very happy and safe new year.

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#1483742 - 02/01/2019 18:15 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: GOODOLD4306]
jimg11 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 01/01/2019
Posts: 3
Iíll go with scientists any ole time, cf TAbbott.

But, further questions apropos WZone temp info - answers really appreciated!

1. Castlemaine, central Vic - 17.20 Mon 31/12/18 WZone max of 36.6 on 24-hour, yet max on past 5 days is 34.5. What be this ...?

2. BOM has Castlemaine weather station located at the old gaol, since 1966 on, but WZone always has a Ďcurrently at Redesdaleí for the Castlemaine page - which is 30 kms away.
Explanation?

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#1483748 - 02/01/2019 18:31 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: jimg11]
Seabreeze Offline
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Registered: 18/09/2005
Posts: 10653
Loc: South West Rocks
Originally Posted By: jimg11
I’ll go with scientists any ole time, cf TAbbott.

But, further questions apropos WZone temp info - answers really appreciated!

1. Castlemaine, central Vic - 17.20 Mon 31/12/18 WZone max of 36.6 on 24-hour, yet max on past 5 days is 34.5. What be this ...?

2. BOM has Castlemaine weather station located at the old gaol, since 1966 on, but WZone always has a ‘currently at Redesdale’ for the Castlemaine page - which is 30 kms away.
Explanation?

Castlemaine (Castlemaine Prison) is a BOM manual weather station that reports all its observations once a day at 9am.
Redesdale is a BOM automatic weather station that continuously reports observations.

On the WZ page for the town of Castlemaine:
- Past weather, "year-to-date" and almanac are for the Castlemaine (Castlemaine Prison) weather station.
- However, the "Currently at" (a.k.a. Current Observations) are for the Redesdale weather station, because it is the nearest weather station to the town of Castlemaine that reports continuous weather observations.
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#1483888 - 03/01/2019 17:37 Re: Weather Zone spreading fake weather [Re: Seabreeze]
jimg11 Offline
Cloud Gazer

Registered: 01/01/2019
Posts: 3
Thanks, makes sense - clears a few things up ... ie dodgy correlation between local weather, as in where we live, & the on-going WZone readings.

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