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#1486853 - 25/01/2019 12:16 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
The Windsor 50 is prob not legit. But 50 was cracked elsewhere in NSW in the 1939 event. According to Blair Trewin there is only one instance of a reading of 50 recorded with standard equipment outside of the digitalised data. The 50 at Wilcannia in Jan 1939 would thus be the 3rd hottest on record for Australia. Coming just behind Mardie's 50.5 in Feb1998 and Oodnadatta's 50.7 in Jan 1960.
Recognised 50+ rare as hen's teeth.



The big 5-0 is almost always a case of "close but no cigar", anywhere in Australia.
In saying that, Port Augusta in SA got to 49.5C yesterday, so is rounded off to 50C.
I do recall the Bourke record did used to be over 50C, but must have been discredited at some stage.
Even Eucla in WA at one stage had a 50C record, since discredited.
Will be interesting to see how hot the likes of Wilcannia get to today, going for 48C, but a chance of 49C.
50C though is always a reach too far it seems.

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#1486860 - 25/01/2019 12:29 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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Was 1896 our hottest ever Summer? There were no doubt some hot Summers in the 19th century. As hot as, say, 2013? Why is 1910 regraded as the start of a reliable temperature record in Australia?

The Conversation - FactCheck: was the 1896 heatwave wiped from the record?

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#1486866 - 25/01/2019 12:43 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: DerekHV]
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I asked Blair in another thread when Wilcannia 50 would be entered into the dig record. I see no way it could be discarded. He stated it was the only 50 outside of the dig record that was recorded with standard equipment. Menindee at a similar elevation got 49.7 on the 10th Jan (I assume the 50 at Wilcannia the same day) So 50 in credibility ballpark. It is important to get it on the dig record. Us NSWalers deserve a 50. It better not go down the memory hole.


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#1486869 - 25/01/2019 12:48 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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Its only a matter of time before we get a 50, keep sticking enough stevenson screens out there and we are bound to get a fifty sooner or later!!
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#1486873 - 25/01/2019 13:15 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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think that was the idea behind Smithville lol wink

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#1486882 - 25/01/2019 13:34 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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There is no reason to put AWS anywhere outside of a population centre. It is just temperature fishing. Who cares if it hits 50 in the middle or edge of the desert somewhere. If it hit 50 in Smithville it would tell us 'uk all about anything. Maybe once the site matures to a 100 years old it might mean something
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#1486886 - 25/01/2019 13:42 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
There is no reason to put AWS anywhere outside of a population centre. It is just temperature fishing. Who cares if it hits 50 in the middle or edge of the desert somewhere. If it hit 50 in Smithville it would tell us 'uk all about anything. Maybe once the site matures to a 100 years old it might mean something




I have to disagree. Yes, there is nobody there, but why not put an AWS there? It's nice to capture the extremes of climate, be they hot or cold. It annoys me that Charlotte's Pass no longer has an AWS, despite it holding the coldest ever temp in Australia's history. I'd also love an AWS on the top of Mt. Kosciuszko, and around Lake Eyre. It doesn't matter that nobody lives in these places, nobody lives permanently in Antarctica but we still have climate data from there. It's curiosity that drives us to research these places, not a pressing need for climate data for population centres.

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#1486891 - 25/01/2019 13:54 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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The new NSW AWSs (and quite a number of additional raingauges) were deliberately put in network gaps to improve the quality of spatial climate analyses over western NSW (especially for drought monitoring). The NSW government funded a lot of this.

Given the funding source, the new sites had to be put within NSW. Smithville is 50 metres inside the border...


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#1486892 - 25/01/2019 13:56 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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I just noticed that the temp at Albion Park is 29.1°C with 24.0 dew point. I don't think I've ever seen it as high as that there!
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#1486893 - 25/01/2019 13:57 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Mcbobbings]
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All the average person wants is to know what the weather is possibly going to be like, and at the end of the day, what it was actually like based on collective data. Temperature and stuff like humidity etc have no relevance outside of how an individual experiences it. Stats are interesting. But with a limitation on resources, why not place these things where they serve some purpose. As for Charlotte's Pass, you won't see the Bureau of Mediocrity place a sensor anywhere, ever again that would potentially set a new Australian record cold temp. They are fishing for the heat baby.
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#1486895 - 25/01/2019 13:59 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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I thinks its great they've put all these new AWSs in a blank part of NSW. Makes it much better to collect better data in the future. A couple more radars out that way will be even better
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#1486902 - 25/01/2019 14:14 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
All the average person wants is to know what the weather is possibly going to be like, and at the end of the day, what it was actually like based on collective data. Temperature and stuff like humidity etc have no relevance outside of how an individual experiences it. Stats are interesting. But with a limitation on resources, why not place these things where they serve some purpose. As for Charlotte's Pass, you won't see the Bureau of Mediocrity place a sensor anywhere, ever again that would potentially set a new Australian record cold temp. They are fishing for the heat baby.

Shhhh...don't let the greenie blighters hear ya eek wink
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#1486914 - 25/01/2019 14:52 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
All the average person wants is to know...

The weather stations are not there to serve the passing interest of the average person, although that can be a nice side benefit in some cases. They're there as an important part of improved weather and climate modeling.

I do brain research and use scanners that take all sorts of measurements that the average person wouldn't be interested in. But they are vital in improving our models of brain function. Same thing - in fact, many of the mathematical techniques we use the met folks use too.

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#1486919 - 25/01/2019 15:05 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Tom]
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The average person isn't a brain researcher and they wouldn't want to know the nuts and bolts. But of course they benefit from it. The Bom's forecast arm is beneficial as far as day to day weather goes. And cyclone stuff. Their longer term forecasts e.g seasonal outlooks based on drivers is hit and miss. A few cow cockies might find it usefull. But I challenge anyone to tell me of what use any temperature recording is outside of a population centre. Curiosity does not mean the endeavour is utilitarian. If workers are paying bucks for a service, it should serve a valid purpose. Knowing what the temp is in the middle of the friggin Simpson desert would be useless as far as a public benefit is concerned.
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#1486921 - 25/01/2019 15:08 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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Among other things, that western NSW data would go into modelling flows into the Murray-Darling Basin, which I imagine some people may find to be useful.

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#1486933 - 25/01/2019 16:06 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
All the average person wants is to know what the weather is possibly going to be like, and at the end of the day, what it was actually like based on collective data. Temperature and stuff like humidity etc have no relevance outside of how an individual experiences it. Stats are interesting. But with a limitation on resources, why not place these things where they serve some purpose. As for Charlotte's Pass, you won't see the Bureau of Mediocrity place a sensor anywhere, ever again that would potentially set a new Australian record cold temp. They are fishing for the heat baby.


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There’s plenty of reasons to collect data away from population centres. No less so guys like you can’t blame urbanisation etc every time a heat record falls in a major population area.


Edited by Seabreeze (30/01/2019 22:14)
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#1486934 - 25/01/2019 16:10 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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Rainfall data in Western NSW is of benefit to the MDBA. But what the temp is in Smithville isn't.
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#1486936 - 25/01/2019 16:18 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Eigerwand]
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#1486943 - 25/01/2019 16:32 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Blair Trewin]
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Originally Posted By: Blair Trewin
The new NSW AWSs (and quite a number of additional raingauges) were deliberately put in network gaps to improve the quality of spatial climate analyses over western NSW (especially for drought monitoring). The NSW government funded a lot of this.

Given the funding source, the new sites had to be put within NSW. Smithville is 50 metres inside the border...

Yeah, there would have been some explaining to do if it was 51m to the west....

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#1486944 - 25/01/2019 16:33 Re: NSW January 2019 Heat Extravaganza [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
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