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#1486746 - 24/01/2019 22:45 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: samboz]
Petros Offline
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Agree, 7AM is the way to go !

Have a solar powered 73L refrig/freezer in ute P, very handy with 100W panel on canopy roof.

Could leave and forget for a month++ and it would be fine (particularly in summer light conditions). smile




Good advice, must admit I rely more on the reliability of electrical supply (which was the major role I did when employed in the electrical system), need to get my head around this "new electrical supply reliability world".

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#1486747 - 24/01/2019 22:47 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Petros, If you can link to the particular evidence I'll be grateful.
tbh I dont think you quite a have a correct understanding of both what has happened today or what the situation is here in SA now. NSW and VIC have so much more problems than SA now in terms of power.
I apologise for setting foot in the VIC thread but i saw a comment that was incorrect so thought I should at least try and make it known.
I'll head back to SA now.

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#1486748 - 24/01/2019 22:49 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
Petros Offline
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Send me your concerns via PM, Teckert. If you have the patience, I'll provide any evidence you request. But dont insult me with lack of understanding of the electrical system please.

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#1486749 - 24/01/2019 22:51 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Vic shed smelter pot lines, not exactly as dire as you make out. They are expected to go out at times of extreme load.

Outages were mostly local distribution failures, not lack of generation. I was watching the scada on the vic transmission network through the afternoon.

Power flows between states are a common occurrence, not “chaos” or an emergency. System and market worked as intended and designed.


Edited by smeagols_ghost (24/01/2019 22:57)

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#1486750 - 24/01/2019 23:11 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Stormcast charts forecast for thunderstorms tomorrow.






Edited by chasers addict (24/01/2019 23:13)

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#1486769 - 25/01/2019 01:04 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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WOW amazing day in SA just INSANE so many records and SO MANY places in the the 46-49c unherad off like 10 years ago just amazing heat

Today was great, hit 40c here spent hours at the beach and did a solid 10k walk light to mod E SE winds not a cloud LOVING this heat.

The evenings with the wind just prefect back to around 30c atm so nice out there, outside right now

Tomorrow wow if only change was 3 hours later we break so many records

Watch the murray espec Mildura but maybe more so Swan hill all time records could fall there and SW NSw could get 50c sliight chance if no cloud and not to windy Pooncarie ivanhoe those kinda places.

What a summer we are having, this really will become the norm i feel, wet stormy Nov Dec then hot dry mostly ] SE winds with odd mid 40s day in S vic mamy more in N Vic Jan and Feb aprat from odd tropical intrusion

Prob be last massive record samshing heat wave of summer but much more heat and dry yet to come

Stay cool for 6 or so hours tomorrow will be all over in 24 hours
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#1486774 - 25/01/2019 03:36 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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#1486782 - 25/01/2019 07:45 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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32.6 degrees when I got up at 530 this morning just felt like pure insanity.

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#1486798 - 25/01/2019 09:13 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: balmz]
Tom Offline
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Originally Posted By: balmz
32.6 degrees when I got up at 530 this morning just felt like pure insanity.

Getting up at 5:30 is pure insanity 😄

37.4 at Morrabin airport close to where I am. Strong northerly outside.


Edited by Tom (25/01/2019 09:14)

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#1486799 - 25/01/2019 09:16 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: Tom]
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Originally Posted By: Tom
Getting up at 5:30 is pure insanity 😄

37.4 at Morrabin airport close to where I am. Strong northerly outside.


Touche! Bit of a necessity unfortunately!

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#1486801 - 25/01/2019 09:24 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Latest Wind Change chart with updated timings. Lovely and cool around 22 here in Portland behind it - sorry guys but at least you know its coming!



Edited by logansi (25/01/2019 09:24)
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#1486808 - 25/01/2019 09:52 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: smeagols_ghost]
Petros Offline
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Originally Posted By: smeagols_ghost
Vic shed smelter pot lines, not exactly as dire as you make out. They are expected to go out at times of extreme load.

Outages were mostly local distribution failures, not lack of generation. I was watching the scada on the vic transmission network through the afternoon.

Power flows between states are a common occurrence, not “chaos” or an emergency. System and market worked as intended and designed.


Agree with the contracted loads. But you are wrong, Victoria experienced involuntary load shedding for 2 1/4 hours yesterday.

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#1486810 - 25/01/2019 09:54 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
Petros Offline
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19C minimum here overnight, but with the arrival of the odd puff of northerly, is now 41C. BOM has upped our expected max to 45C today I see.

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#1486814 - 25/01/2019 10:07 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
ThunderBob Offline
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38C at Bairnsdale Airport. Odd puff, like you Petros, of nthly.

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#1486823 - 25/01/2019 10:58 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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AEMO have advised that without a generator somewhere making an unavailable generator available again, then commencing at 2:30pm, up to 360MW of load will have to be turned off in Vic, similar to last evening, just a lot more folk with power off.

....and if they follow the same pattern as they did last evening, it will be again, the country folk (the ones less likely to write into the papers) who have to sit the afternoon out with no power.

[edit] - AEMO Emergency Reserve Trader has again directed a generator to commence generation despite being marked unavailable. My bet is that it is again, the SA emergency generators as per yesterday, only much earlier.

This means the wholesale price of electricity in SA/Vic will revert to the lower values (potentially making revenue far less than operating cost for many generating plants) that they were at this time past 2 weeks.

No peaking plant generator will want to again, loose money for the honor of supporting a failing electrical system for the second day in a row.


Edited by Petros (25/01/2019 11:05)

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#1486824 - 25/01/2019 11:10 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
Petros Offline
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NNW'ly well and truly arrived here, currently 42.7C 18%RH.

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#1486827 - 25/01/2019 11:13 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Thats early at 11am 39.5c very windy with light dust can seen in NW

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#1486837 - 25/01/2019 11:35 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
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Got 32km's in with 0715 start P, went for a 1.5km walk around 11am, temp sky rocketed over 3C in that 20 minutes.

BOM East Sale - "42.4C @ 11:18 am" and "42.7C @ 11.23 am"

Interesting discussion P re power suppliers being bent over the barrel, while I have no idea of the overall profitabilty of generating elec. for us masses, I know I will be mightily P'd off if my power goes off because of some bean counter playing god with his calculator!!


Edited by samboz (25/01/2019 11:40)

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#1486851 - 25/01/2019 12:12 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: samboz]
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Very funny Samboz "bean counter playing god with his calculator!!" I think power controller pick isolated small town turn off power.

41.8c at 12pm Horrible winds

How does NBN FTTN green cabinet handle high heat could outrage internet...Never heard of it yet.

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#1486859 - 25/01/2019 12:29 Re: Vic - Repeat Heatwave 22/01/19 - 26/01/19 [Re: chasers addict]
Petros Offline
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Spare a thought for those poor folk now without power in Victoria, 100MW of customer load (real folk out of power, not including those "meant to shed load" during hot days) now sitting it out.



Very windy and 43.1C 15% RH here atm.

[edit] - for those in denial:




[edit] - note that AEMO dont use daylight saving time, so the 11:03am = 12:03pm DLST.


Edited by Petros (25/01/2019 12:33)

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