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#1489458 - 07/02/2019 01:42 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Tropical Desert]
marakai Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tropical Desert
Pete 28: there is a really good book "Eating the Sun: the Everyday Miracle of How Plants Power the Planet" by Oliver Morton. It explains the carbon cycle and if you read it you will have a greater understanding of how our planet and climate works.

If you're not willing to learn don't lol at those who do.


Less than a hundred years of "rough" records in the current era yet not a single peer reviewed paper that can link Human produced CO2 to any change in climate right ? Looked for one myself over the last decade and more but yet still to find a single one that can do so.

Meanwhile science is finding the remnants of lush Tropical and Savannah evidence under the sand and in rock carvings all across what is now desert in the Sahara. Long before the advent of the first ever combustion engine could have ever had an effect on our climate.

Science also has ample evidence of a recent greening of the planet due to enhanced CO2 as well, not hard to find if you just look for it, question is though what came first ? the CO2 or the Warming ?.

As for Human induced climate change... As I always ask, please just produce a SINGLE peer reviewed scientific paper that shows any reproducible evidence of such a claim.

For well over a decade now I have asked for such evidence and am yet still to see it produced.

Records are not evidence, Claims are not evidence,Extremes compared to records are not evidence.

Science is not evidence, it is replication of theory which may be disproved. You can have all the opinion you like but a single disproved prediction of a theory basically damns the whole theory to be false and you must start again. Any successful scientific theory must be predictive and falsifiable.
How do you Falsify a Theory that is UN-falsifiable ?

IE. If it can cause any and everything then how do you have any chance to Falsify it ?


Edited by marakai (07/02/2019 01:43)

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#1489462 - 07/02/2019 07:50 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Blair Trewin]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
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Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
kill the global warming theories now thanks folks. No more or the posts will be gone.


Originally Posted By: Blair Trewin
My colleagues are currently working on a report on the extreme rainfalls (I'm otherwise engaged working on one on the heatwave).

In broad terms there are probably two vaguely comparable events historically in the last 40 years in coastal North Queensland, in terms of extreme rainfalls sustained over a period more than a week with peak fortnightly totals (leaving aside Bellenden Ker) over 2000mm - January 1981 (focused on the Innisfail area) and New Year 1991 (focused around Mackay). In both cases a site (South Johnstone and Mount Charlton respectively) received 100+ on 10 out of 11 days. Of course this event has affected an area which is normally drier. It's also had more impact inland than the other two events, probably at least in part because there's less topography to get in the way of the flow around Townsville than there is around Innisfail and Mackay.


Hi Blair, thanks for the info, love to have a decent read of the report once its public, if you wouldnt mind sharing.
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Marach 2019 total - 310.6mm (192mm)
April 2019 total - 0.0mm (65.8mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 1973.4mm (1129mm)

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#1489464 - 07/02/2019 07:54 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Oriolus]
Mick10 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Oriolus
Can anyone shed some light on this information council posted on the dashboard at 16:34 this afternoon:

Quote:
Townsville City Council will be taking proactive measures to repair erosion at the base of the Ross River Dam Spillway.

The dam spillway gates are operating and the erosion has no impact on the structural integrity of the Ross River Dam.

Council now has local contractors on site completing the works, including moving machinery and materials across the Dam spillway to gain access to the eroded area adjoining Ross River.


It suggests the gates have been closed, otherwise how could they work at the base of the spillway. But the dam level has continued to go down very gradually. Were they closed for a short time but are now open again?


The release says the spillway gates are still in operation. With the dam viewing area still closed, its impossible to verify, but in my assumption is that crews are filling in the river bank areas as the base of the concrete spillway which would obviously seen some major erosion over the last week. At the base of the spillway, on the Kelso side is large pool area where water flows in as a runoff. On the mt stuart side is step incline which leads up to the dam monitoring offices. I would bet that both side have had a fair bit of the bank washed away.
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Kirwan, Townsville Nth Qld -
Marach 2019 total - 310.6mm (192mm)
April 2019 total - 0.0mm (65.8mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 1973.4mm (1129mm)

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#1489465 - 07/02/2019 07:57 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
Blair Trewin Offline
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I expect the report will be published as a Bureau Special Climate Statement (http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/statements/), probably sometime next week. Will let you know when it appears.

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#1489468 - 07/02/2019 08:48 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Mick10]
wilyms Offline
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Registered: 06/03/2013
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Loc: Roma, Qld
Originally Posted By: Mick10
Originally Posted By: Oriolus
Can anyone shed some light on this information council posted on the dashboard at 16:34 this afternoon:

Quote:
Townsville City Council will be taking proactive measures to repair erosion at the base of the Ross River Dam Spillway.

The dam spillway gates are operating and the erosion has no impact on the structural integrity of the Ross River Dam.

Council now has local contractors on site completing the works, including moving machinery and materials across the Dam spillway to gain access to the eroded area adjoining Ross River.


It suggests the gates have been closed, otherwise how could they work at the base of the spillway. But the dam level has continued to go down very gradually. Were they closed for a short time but are now open again?


The release says the spillway gates are still in operation. With the dam viewing area still closed, its impossible to verify, but in my assumption is that crews are filling in the river bank areas as the base of the concrete spillway which would obviously seen some major erosion over the last week. At the base of the spillway, on the Kelso side is large pool area where water flows in as a runoff. On the mt stuart side is step incline which leads up to the dam monitoring offices. I would bet that both side have had a fair bit of the bank washed away.



Check out the Nelly Group Engineering YouTube channel for lots of drone footage including the spillway. You can see the erosion occurring on the building side when comparing the earlier footage to the gates fully open footage.

Unfortunately they havenít done a recent run up there (as of today) to show if gates are still open, but you can dump rock into flowing water. No science about that....


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#1489481 - 07/02/2019 10:38 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: marakai]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Edited by Raindammit (07/02/2019 11:19)
Edit Reason: No further climate change discussion

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#1489502 - 07/02/2019 16:56 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
Vinnie Offline
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Should dry out a bit next week with 37 deg in the forecast.
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#1489508 - 07/02/2019 18:50 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
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Pouring in BG again!
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#1489510 - 07/02/2019 18:55 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
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You might get a fair bit looking at that feed angle RD. Not that you want anymore for a while.
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#1489512 - 07/02/2019 19:04 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
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Please tell me thatís not a convergence zone forming over the ville again
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#1489514 - 07/02/2019 19:07 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
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It better not be!!!
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#1489517 - 07/02/2019 19:27 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
Ahab Offline
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Registered: 31/01/2011
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Loc: Brisbane, Indooroopilly
Any idea if all the flooding actually enhances local rain?

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#1489523 - 07/02/2019 20:00 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Ahab]
Red Watch Offline
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Loc: Cranbrook, Townsville
Originally Posted By: Ahab
Any idea if all the flooding actually enhances local rain?

I think you would need evaporation to increase air moisture content and my mold in my house suggests otherwise.

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#1489525 - 07/02/2019 20:01 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Red Watch]
Red Watch Offline
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
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All should be removed.

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#1489527 - 07/02/2019 20:14 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: parklife]
Rhubarb Offline
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Registered: 11/01/2011
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Loc: West End, Townsville, QLD
Originally Posted By: parklife
Originally Posted By: Rhubarb

Although we have had no inundation here in West End...

Although we are shown to be in a danger area (4 blocks up from Woolcock St canal) on the maps, we have had no flooding.
Stayed up night before last with dog upstairs just in case we had a flood. Checked the canal level twice during the night (very carefully incase of crocs or snakes) and it was just lapping the barrier at the bottom of my street. Seen it worse on king tides.



Hi Rhubarb nice to know that you have escaped inundation so far and rode out the power outage, very resourceful. In 98 my place in West End (block of townhouses at junction Tuffley and Kepper) was flooded due to the adjacent channel that takes the overflow from the basin between Ingham/Hugh/Woolcock/Kings. Had about 60cms through the entire complex. Do you know how that area of West End faired? Did the showgrounds flood?


Hey parklife, I'm only 4 blocks up from the Woolcock Street canal. The water came a metre under the house. When we moved in the previous owners had marked a line on one of the concrete posts to show where the water came up to. The neighbours across the road are lowset and the water flooded their house and washed their brand new Subaru into the canal. The showgrounds went under too.

Since then they have re-engineered the Woolcock Street canal and installed 2 sets of gates. A couple of years ago there was a huge engineering project to put in a massive new stormwater drain at the bottom of Church Street and under Woolcock Street to the land on the otherside near Hyde Park Shopping Centre. We got no flooding and the water ran away into the area beside the shopping centre.

The canal came up further and for longer after Yasi but again only to the bottom of the street.

Thanks for asking!
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2017: 823.5 mm
2016: 1,660 mm
2015: 430.5 mm

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#1489531 - 07/02/2019 20:52 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: wilyms]
wilyms Offline
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Originally Posted By: wilyms


Check out the Nelly Group Engineering YouTube channel for lots of drone footage including the spillway. You can see the erosion occurring on the building side when comparing the earlier footage to the gates fully open footage.


Sorry,typo (or autocorrect) : Neilly Group

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#1489537 - 07/02/2019 21:27 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: wilyms]
Weary Offline
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Originally Posted By: wilyms
Originally Posted By: wilyms


Check out the Nelly Group Engineering YouTube channel for lots of drone footage including the spillway. You can see the erosion occurring on the building side when comparing the earlier footage to the gates fully open footage.


Sorry,typo (or autocorrect) : Neilly Group


Thanks mate, stunning video
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#1489542 - 07/02/2019 23:36 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
Townsville Airport just broke the wettest February on record mark. Prev record 960mm in Feb 2009, as of 9am airport had received 880mm, and 83mm now since 9am. And done it 8 days into the month!
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Kirwan, Townsville Nth Qld -
Marach 2019 total - 310.6mm (192mm)
April 2019 total - 0.0mm (65.8mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 1973.4mm (1129mm)

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#1489545 - 08/02/2019 04:31 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
bartholomu Offline
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The ross dam height has not updated since 7.28pm Thursday 7/2/10.165.91%, 40.81m. Just thinking the wet season has a way to go yet, seems it could be a record year if more rain falls in the coming months, FFS so over this rain now wish it would hurry up and flumin feck off.

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#1489546 - 08/02/2019 04:36 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2019 [Re: Raindammit]
bartholomu Offline
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The current convergence band feeding into Townsville is 400km long, hope it poo its pants, or moves down to Rockhampton where they are wanting of rain.

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