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#1501973 - 04/07/2019 20:11 WZ archive discussion.
Flowin Offline
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Registered: 15/10/2017
Posts: 966
Loc: Pinjarra Hills, Qld
With WZ closing there is a lot of discussion about where to next.
This thread is about valuing the past.
Some comments have been posted about loss of history, but probably the number of posts is well short of the community concern for what will be lost.
With nearly two decades of weather commentary and records on WZ this is history that must not be lost.
My life and career have taught me that capacity access records of what people observed, measured, analysed, opined, and postulated in their time is invaluable.
Are others keen and willing to preserve history?
I donít have skills or time to archive this massive information base, but hopefully others will.
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#1502069 - 05/07/2019 12:29 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
Hi Flowin l have an idea. It is one idea not necessarily the best solution.
Make a list here on this thread of all threads that must be cached somewhere. Preferably multiple places.
Nominate a topic YOU will summarize (cut and paste)and cache
For example for the me. I would like to preserve ,jetstreams, stratosphere,ECL's,mslp
I would cache the summary on my blog(weathercycles),ski forum and AWF.

Others choose say dams..locke?
Floods
storms.and technical.ken? others?
cyclones. YASI a must..
snow
etc

This is possible with read only for 5 months
The problem is communication after the 29th of this month when read only is instigated.

we have 3 weeks to do vital planning and communication.. crazy

I will supply my email to secure some communication re archives until site is deleted toward the end of the year.
havissue@yahoo.com.au

The best way to communicate after the 29th July is on a dedicated thread on ski forum or AWF

I encourage others to leave their email address for the purpose of archiving organization?

Even better . Can WZ forum keep a dedicated archiving communication thread a alive until the end of 2019?
We can cut and paste without log in.

The problem l have is aith the search engine on WZ.It is very poor.I need help to find content

For example mods'.
Please could you provide links to jetstream threads so l can make a start.

I have started an example on my blog which is in progress
https://weathercycles.wordpress.com/2019...1/#comment-8020
When l have finished , when the forum closes. I will cache, post on nominated weather forums.

If you summarize the thread it keeps the data to a manageable size







Edited by crikey (05/07/2019 12:32)
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#1502070 - 05/07/2019 12:57 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
OK.,More action.
Start tweeting and lobbying to secure the archives.
I have tweeted scott morrison, channel 9 news and the australian national museum.
The loss of independent weather data is a great national tragedy..
Start lobbying folks to secure Australian weather history.
Hopefully some fruit in the power of numbers

Weatherzone have a responsibility to secure 20yrs of independent historical weather data and analysis.
I am sure it would be a national crime to delete the archives.


Edited by crikey (05/07/2019 13:00)
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#1502071 - 05/07/2019 13:10 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Homer Offline
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Registered: 16/06/2007
Posts: 6407
Loc: Dural
Crikey,

The following was just posted on ski.com by one of the admin, and relates to your wishes of archiving.


"What I can add, is that saving that forum as an archive or selling it or even giving it away is waaaay more trouble than it is worth to a corporate. Just the process of a 'lift and shift' would cost upwards of $10K or $20K of Fairfax engineer time and then whoever received it inherits a nightmare of migration issues trying to modernise that old UBB software.

The death sentence was probably five years ago when they failed to migrate off UBB onto something like Vbulletin - but corporates gave up operating 'forums' in the mid 2000's and weatherzone forums were always just a throw-in job-lot with the purchase of the weatherzone meteorological business. Strategically there is no fit. Fairfax wants community attached to their opinion pieces and nowhere else. User data flows vis a vis ad-tech methodology and branded ad campaigns means that is where the advertising yield is. Those forums would not have generated more than $50 a day (on a good day) these last few years. "


Edited by Homer (05/07/2019 13:11)

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#1502072 - 05/07/2019 13:23 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Mike Hauber Offline
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Registered: 13/07/2007
Posts: 3817
Loc: Buderim
From the WZ closure - alternatives thread

Originally Posted By: Todd Baker
Hi,

I have just replied to Kev, yes there are privacy concerns that would prevent us handing over the old forum.

Thankfully, the Wayback Machine will preserve an archive of the site.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/forum.weatherzone.com.au


I doubt anything can stop someone from putting together a web bot to extract all the forum content and save it to a hard driver somewhere - it might be illegal/breach of copy right etc but presumably a very low risk of enforcement. But then trying to publish/share this data in any way could be problematic.

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#1502074 - 05/07/2019 13:30 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
thanks homer'.
I know a good 'hacker' who could do the job in a day.. LOL
but jail time for national history?.
Some go to to war to fight for justice or a cause. Ironic. isn't is.
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#1502075 - 05/07/2019 13:36 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
Hey Mike.Could you have a go at one of those archive bot sites of extracting some thing from the forum like enso thread and tell us how it works, how to do it etc
start with something small.
Is there anyone who knows how to use the bot archive site? who could show us or guide us?


Edited by crikey (05/07/2019 13:37)
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#1502091 - 05/07/2019 15:01 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Mike Hauber Offline
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Registered: 13/07/2007
Posts: 3817
Loc: Buderim
I've had a look at the wayback machine, and you can download the WZ forum web page as at a good number of dates, but as you start to dig into the forum you quickly get to links where the target is not stored. I'm guessing its likely only stuff that you can get to within say x clicks from the front page that you can get to. So you can get to the start and end of a thread, but never to the middle.

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#1502095 - 05/07/2019 15:12 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
Can you try to download a small section as a sample, mike..
To see if this method is viable at all
Anyone else to help . Its a big job we need helpers?
Forums sinking fast. Only 44 online.People moving on.

List of things for saving.? Just post here
So far we have
black saturday
2011 Brisbane floods
Yasi of course

If you find the link , post it here please
others?

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#1502099 - 05/07/2019 15:40 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
EddyG Offline
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Registered: 19/12/2008
Posts: 5506
Loc: Port Stephens NSW
Pasha Bulker storm June 2007.
April 2015 super storm.

I will look for links later on.
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#1502103 - 05/07/2019 16:18 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Steve777 Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 20/10/2011
Posts: 5027
Loc: Artarmon (Sydney North Shore)
We might want to include a couple of what we might call 'extra-alpine snow events'.

Here's one in July 2015: http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1333750/all/NSW_Central_Tablelands_Widespr

There were other events in July and August of that year.

Also this from August 2012: http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1119390/1

Here's a heat and storm thread - with giant hailstones, February 2017: http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1408973/1

Here's a heat thread of 65 pages including a number of records - "The Big Heat" January - February 2017: http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1408973/1

And a major storm outbreak in December 2014: http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1288693/1


Edited by Steve777 (05/07/2019 16:22)
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#1502106 - 05/07/2019 16:24 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
LDRcycles Offline
Weather Freak

Registered: 14/03/2017
Posts: 108
Loc: Kin Kin, Qld
The key thing with saving the records is making them publicly accessible wherever they end up. I've found the hard way with research I've been doing on another topic over the last 18 months that historical records that aren't accessible may as well not exist. If they're just sitting in someone's scrapbook at home they have been "preserved" but they're barely any more available and functional than if they were in landfill.

I'm not sure what the answer is there, the most notable records (like 2011 floods etc) getting posted in a corner on a couple of forums?

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#1502108 - 05/07/2019 16:32 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
so where will you put your research?

I have put mine on Wordpress. I was away for 2 years and it was alive when l returned.

I have read research work from cycle scientists that have passed on and their work remains on credible blog sites.
Your point is important.
Where to put the archive.
A stand alone blog perhaps?
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#1502111 - 05/07/2019 16:55 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Locke Offline
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Registered: 27/12/2007
Posts: 4553
Loc: Brisbane
Wont the wayback machine preserve the data?

For example here is a snapshot taken in February 2011.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110205080805/http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/
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#1502113 - 05/07/2019 17:33 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
OK LOCKE.
That link works well.
I copied and paste into the URL (not the search engine)
The full forum interface comes up . Interactive as well its not just stills' or screen shots.
Impressive
I clicked on the yasi thread and up came the comments.
Could you please do an instruction blurb step by
step for 'dummies' and tell us how you did that.
Post it here. ..


Here is the link l copied from the archived yasi thread

https://web.archive.org/web/20110209081149/http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/956817/Re_Severe_Tropical_Cyclone_Yas#Post956817

The URL looks like a standard link to the forum?


https://web.archive.org/web/20110209081149

and then an attachment of the address in the forum topic?

http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthrea..._Yas#Post956817

OK. This is promising

what about copyright disclaimers?

cool
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#1502129 - 05/07/2019 18:47 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
Something else to worry about regarding the archived site.

That URL points to the current weatherzone server.?

So that would mean the archive site is not storing the data on their server?

If that is the case. When the weatherzone server is decommissioned
the URL will not exist . The page not found error will appear?
Maybe some computer savvy person could verify.

If the data is not stored on the archive server depending on this site is useless

If anyone has time to read the small print on that site, that would be good
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#1502130 - 05/07/2019 18:49 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
Mega Offline
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Registered: 03/02/2003
Posts: 7899
Loc: Maryborough, Wide Bay, QLD
It's pretty sad that the owners or even ex owners have nothing to say about this. Do you not care about all the data that will be lost? I know it's obviously not an easy solution but surely you can at least drop some ideas? Or are you guys still discussing this privately? I don't know...it just seems so off to me.

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#1502132 - 05/07/2019 18:59 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
crikey Offline
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Registered: 01/02/2011
Posts: 3184
Loc: Tweed Heads
If You See Something, Save Something Ė 6 Ways to Save Pages In the Wayback Machine
Posted on January 25, 2017 by Alexis Rossi

https://blog.archive.org/2017/01/25/see-something-save-something/
...
5. Sign up for an Archive-It Account

Archive-It is a subscription service provided by Internet Archive that allows you to run your own crawling projects without any technical expertise. Tell us what to crawl and how often to crawl it, and we execute the crawl and put the results in the Wayback Machine.
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#1502144 - 05/07/2019 20:08 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Mega]
Homer Offline
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Registered: 16/06/2007
Posts: 6407
Loc: Dural
Originally Posted By: Mega
It's pretty sad that the owners or even ex owners have nothing to say about this. Do you not care about all the data that will be lost? I know it's obviously not an easy solution but surely you can at least drop some ideas? Or are you guys still discussing this privately? I don't know...it just seems so off to me.


In the absence of a like button on this outdated forum, consider this liked.

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#1502190 - 05/07/2019 21:51 Re: WZ archive discussion. [Re: Flowin]
teckert Offline
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Registered: 27/05/2001
Posts: 17705
Loc: NE suburbs, Adelaide, South Au...
You actually think the owners (as in Fairfax/Ch 9) are going to come on here lol????
I'd say the admin of WZ pretty much have their hands tied and have said as much as they can about the situation.

Your best bet is archiving or using the wayback machine.
In terms of SA, we have someone here who is manually archiving everything in the SA threads. Time consuming yes, but if someone has the passion and time to do it, then yay...

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