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#2005 - 06/11/2003 14:27 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
MHD Offline
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Registered: 05/06/2001
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Loc: Heidelberg Melbourne
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Originally posted by anewts:
Cant remember where it was..some store in the city. was in the paper the other day. If it was me buying, id rather pay the extra $50 and by at a store...will take a look and see if i can find it

Andrew
Thanx... yes 50$ difference I will buy in a store...

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#2006 - 06/11/2003 15:08 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Ray Mullens Offline
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Ha Dave :wave:

I have experimented with the noise reduction and now I just leave it off.
You will find that you will get heaps quicker times between frames and that gets shorter again with a fast write card.
The noise will be in the same place in every frame “Depending on the time the shutter is left open” It will be ether a green, purple or white speck.
When I get them home and in the computer I check every one that is worth it in PhotoShop and just fix the noise with the patching tool Or clone stamp.

:cheers:
Ray

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#2007 - 06/11/2003 17:08 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
David Simpson. Offline
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Registered: 13/10/2002
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I quoted the wrong model too, I have the 5400, not the 5700. Ray I'm still trying to compare the NR function to Photoshop, I'm reluctant to clone unless I really have to out of preference for retaining the original picture as I saw it. I'm no purist though, most filtering I do in PS is the same as one would achieve through the use of Cokin filters etc, just requires less skill! I have only used the NR function so far with low light scenes. Great toy though, still much to try! I do still shoot film at the same time, if the scene is worth it, either for assurance or because I still enjoy the 'art' so to speak. I bought a second battery too, a must-have when on the chase, a third one wouldn't go astray either.

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#2008 - 06/11/2003 17:35 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Ray Mullens Offline
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I thought you must of ment the 5400 when you mentioned the panorama feature.
In stead of buying another Battery have a look at the price of the battery grip for the 5400, I am about to get one for my 5700.
With 2100ma NI-MI’s you should get 2-3 hours of continues shooting.
The grip for the 5700 is about $250.00 I think.

Worth a look.
:cheers:
Ray

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#2009 - 06/11/2003 17:45 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Registered: 21/08/2002
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Hey Blizz,

The Canon G5 is a great camera. I havent really been able to use it heaps, but so far its been great. Most of the pics i have taken with it have been landscape, night shots and a few storm shots. I really like the ease of use of this camera. The slr features are great, and using these for the first time was easier than i thought. The quality of the pics are what i expected, thou i am yet to get any developed.

The battery life is exceptional, with 400-450 shots with the LCD on. I have purchased 2 more batteries so battery life isnt a prob.

I am yet to get any lightning shots with the G5, but this will all change up in Darwin, where it will get a good work out.

Andrew

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#2010 - 06/11/2003 21:34 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Hi Ray, I will have to dare a 1 - 3min exposure without noise reduction, I have never tried it without.

That extra time is simply because the in effect the photo is taken twice, both copies are evaulatred to determine where noise has crept in, hence a 3 min exposure actually takes 6 mins.

I misquoted BBS, its BSS ( Best shot selector ),

This site compares 6 x 5 megapixel cameras

http://www.digitalsecrets.net/secrets/Travel2003.html

The 5400 wins, but only by a slim margin and BSS is one of the factors. He quotes ' there is no BS in BSS" BSS comes into its own with non flash assisted low light ( slow shutter ) pics like museums.

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#2011 - 06/11/2003 22:05 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Great stuff anewts, bring the G5 up to Shooters next winter to take shots of some nice coldies. I know coldies don't usually have the definition of our summer stuff this far north but there is something unique about them. There's also something pretty special about the underbellys of meaty snowclouds, just before they dump.
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#2012 - 06/11/2003 22:07 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Will do! Cant wait to get some snow pics with the G5. Would have loved to have had it out there on the 25/26th july.

Andrew

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#2013 - 06/11/2003 22:21 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Cool. This shot of you and also Andrew M's shot of Mt.McAlister are my two favs of last winter. Both of them don't need any introduction.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/special/ashooters1.jpg

http://www.theweather.com.au/people/amiskelly/snow/20030725/8_sm.jpg

I'm currently brushing up on my falling snow photographic settings. So far, aperture priority at F2.8 and flash and ISO 100, are my thoughts. I want to catch as many flakes as possible in the shots - auto settings tend to fade them out and just leave grey sky. Any advice is welcome on all of this.
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#2014 - 06/11/2003 23:40 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Hi Blizz, i find with the snow shots, that the best way to capture the falling snow is to try and shoot the photo against a dark background with the flash off. The flash tends to cause shadows on the flakes, and you end up with black dots all over the photo instead of white snowflakes.
Something thats really worked for me while trying to capture as many flakes as possible is to zoom in on the flakes, still with the dark background.
This is an example of that. (it helps when the snowflakes are the size of 50 cent coins!)
And this one is using no zoom, just a dark background.

In this picture, the background is a fair bit lighter, making the snowflakes harder to see.

These are just a few things that work for me, no doubt there is better ways to capture them with a lighter back ground, all i know is that i cant wait to practice again next winter. laugh

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#2015 - 07/11/2003 07:24 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Ray Mullens Offline
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Hi Thunder

I have tried an exposure over 2min with the zoom about 3 quarters the way out.
The effect of the noise was like looking at a film shot taken on 800+ ISO “Very gritty”
Thanks for that link great site!!!!
Have a look at this site and the magazine worth every penny!!!!

http://www.betterdigitalonline.com/HTML%20Files/home.html

:cheers:
Ray

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#2016 - 07/11/2003 07:56 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Cool! Thanks Volkl. Yeah, the photographic approach you mention seems to work for that kind of snow. Sheez, how good is that. I will make note of those settings in my manual as I type.

I was also thinking of very marginal conditions like the pic below when you really need a flash (I presume) and a big aperture to pick up the scant white stuff. Mind you, a flash does tend to only pick up the stuff closest to the camera.

Thanks for the help, these types of threads are great. Bring on winter, only around six months to go and it will be the best season in years wink

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/spring03/snow270903a.jpg
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#2017 - 07/11/2003 19:05 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Good stuff...
Dave: how much was the extra battery?

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#2018 - 07/11/2003 21:50 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Registered: 18/01/2003
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Loc: Mt Warrigal, NSW
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Have a look at this site and the magazine worth every penny!!!!

http://www.betterdigitalonline.com/HTML%20Files/home.html
Thanks Ray - looks like an informative site - what I can see is good as it seems aimed at a decent level.

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#2019 - 08/11/2003 06:26 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Ray Mullens Offline
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No worries Thunder.

The guy’s that bring this Mag out are wiz’s with all the popular photo editing programs and don’t mind showing there secrets.
There reviews are nubias to.

:cheers:
Ray

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#2020 - 28/01/2004 09:56 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Andrew Miskelly Offline
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Registered: 15/11/2001
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Loc: Mittagong, NSW
I'd be interested to know if anyone's had experience or has any thoughts on Canon's new D-SLR, the EOS-300D .

It could be just a sales stunt (a watered down version of the 10-D selling at under $2000 to get an early crack at the market before other brands get competitors out there) but people do seem to be raving about it...

Andrew.

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#2021 - 28/01/2004 10:01 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
David Simpson. Offline
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Who's using the Nikon 5400? I am struggling with the right focus settings for night-time lightning with mine, thus I have been resorting to 35mm for peace of mind. Interested to see what config other users of the 5400, or the 5700, use for this purpose?

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#2022 - 28/01/2004 10:56 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
Ray Mullens Offline
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Ha DS. :wave:
All I do mate with the 5700 is lock the focus on infinity with the smallest F stop you can get EG:2.4 and hold her open. wink
If the lightning is very Frequent I turn the noise reduction off to get more shooting time in.

:cheers:
Ray

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#2023 - 28/01/2004 11:08 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
David Simpson. Offline
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OK well will try that, thanks ray. One thing I have found that the activity needs to be rather close, due to optical zoom limitations, you find the same?

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#2024 - 28/01/2004 11:11 Re: The Ultimate Digital Camera for weather/lightning
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Another thing about the Nikon 5700, I found in Darwin that using f5 and -2 stop, a lot of the pictures came out over exposed. If lightning is very frequent and close this setting still isn't enough and i don't think using a higher fstop would of helped much either, though with standard lense can get to around f7 depending on zoom etc. Really it's just a case of trial and error and hopefully none too many pulsing cg's :p I still havn't had a masterpiece yet though but I'm still working on it :p
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