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#1278759 - 04/10/2014 13:08 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
desieboy Offline
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A while ago in the wet season when I was Barra fishing towards Thangoo ,I lost a Barra just in the shallows near the boat so stupidly without thinking jumped into the muddy water to see if I could grab it.

Next I knew I felt some tentacles around my thighs and yes I,d been stung by a Box as I had seen them in the clearer water along the steep shoreline .The pain was pretty bad and it felt like a burning pain and it was moving around my body not just where I had gotten stung.

A friend of mine who had been stung did tell me if I ever did get stung don't panic because shock is half the problem and to stay immobile and you would be over the worst of it in about an hour and a half. He told me as long as you don't get multiple stings all over you should be ok and as long as you realise the main pain will not last too long and then the pain will slowly subside.

I took his advice because really I didn't have many options being out there by myself and laid on the deck and waited .I remember the pain was excruciating during the first hour but sure enough and slowly the pain started to subside after about 2 hours .The swelling around the sting site remained up though for many hours afterwards.

My mate also told me a beer is a good way to pass the time while waiting for the pain to go,so I gave that a go as well had 2 beers and that made me feel a lot better.

Since then I was stung again in another creek and more or less had the same reaction and result.

Remember the severity will depend on where you got stung and the if it is a multiple sting ,everybody's pain threshold is different so what may be unbearable to one may be quite tolerable to another.

Of course this is just my own experience and I would not recommend this to others if stung .But my main advice is don't panic your not going to die and stay calm otherwise you may go into shock and complicate things for yourself.
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#1303894 - 27/01/2015 10:10 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
Kev86 Offline
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With Vinegar being a promoter of the toxins (proteinaceous porins, neurotoxic peptides and bioactive lipids) which enable a reaction called Calcium Influx which is seriously painful, among other reactions that fall out of my spectrum of expertise. It would seem Vinegar is not good for Jellyfish stings anymore other than (as said earlier) for its hypertonic response – of ‘lifting’ non-reacted toxins off the skin. However it will actively promote the reaction of toxins currently reacting with the skin / tissue.
In the laboratories I’ve worked we use Diphoterine - some witch-craft solution designed for Acid / Bases, oxidizers, solvents, reducing agents and alkylants and some Lipophilic substances that cause damage to skin/tissue. It’s miracle stuff (watched it's neutralization of acid on the eye of a rabbit using water and then using Diphoterine - unbelievable difference, instantaneous) and i have no idea what’s in it – as the company developing it tends to keep it under it’s hat. Best i can find it it’s a “chelating and amphoteric solution and it’s also hypertonic”, which tells me sweet FA – but im guessing it’s a mutually separated Cocktail of chemicals that work for each specific reaction and don’t impede it’s sister’s reducing reaction depending on the substance – a Polyvalent aqueous solution made from Unicorn tears, regardless – clever bunch of chemists.

It’s quite cheap and the small reports I’ve read, indicate significant reduction in symptoms from stings – i would genuinely suggest running around with some of that if you plan on heading toward the water.

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#1303919 - 27/01/2015 11:36 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
pogonantha Offline
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Registered: 30/01/2011
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Loc: Maadi, Tully area
I cant find any research to support your advice on Diphoterine..Do you have any links to any credible science on that..(Besides acid in a rabbits eye)...?

Your advice regarding not using vinegar is also dubious..the theory behind vinegar increasing envenomation formed through a dubious study that showed that vinegar caused increased nematocyst discharge but in a real world situation often a sting apparently may result in a relatively low percentage of the nematocysts initially firing off and discharging venom....so for example if 15%-20% of them fired off is it not better to douse with vinegar to stop the other 80-85% from stinging and releasing the venom even if it possibly results in a small increase in the amount venom released by the initial nematocysts ...

The best advice for now seems to be to douse with vinegar to try and remove or deactivate the unfired stingers ,keep immobile (as Desie states above) and get medical help ASAP..in the case of a minor sting, hot water can be used to relieve the pain....

Any other ideas, anyone..?...I'm really surprised,given,how much the Far north relies on tourism that more funding and research hasnt gone into studying these little monsters..

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#1303947 - 27/01/2015 13:30 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
Kev86 Offline
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Yes I’ve read the same article that your paraphrasing ( HERE) - The reason vinegar works is it’s hypertonic to the cells it surrounds in this situation, the same reason urine works (works even better if your dehydrated as your urine is a more concentrate hypertonic solution) – this is also the reason Diphoterine works, it moves water out of the cnidoblast (the cell containing the nematocysts before they are ‘fired’) to equalise the net-loss in solids of the surrounding solution, this in laymans terms forms a water bias under the cnidoblast so you can wash it off your skin as the water passes through the hypotonic cell easier, being smaller than the solid molecules it cohabits with, dehydrating the cnidoblast cell - much like drinking salt water will kill you.

The study into Vinegar aiding nematocysts agitation, isn’t as ‘dubious’ as lauded by some researchers. The study is sound, its control works and it’s mechanism for firing is also sound. Electric stimulus is common practice to simulate cellular activity and if the control is ascertained correctly (i.e saline solution sterilisation, which you would find in real-world as that’s basically where jellyfish live) and noted a net-gain when you add a catalyst, it would be a perfectly acceptable hypothesis that that added solution is a catalyst. It is one of the more ‘real-world’ in vitro tests I’ve read.

The mechanism for this is the real question?

The active ingredient in Vinegar is the acetic acid, Diphoterine has amphoteric molecules (react to acid/bases alike) would be equally as useful as vinegar as it would ‘complex’ with the venom in both ways, reducing toxicity volume – regardless if the study is correct or incorrect.

It’s very new stuff, i haven’t seen any peer reviewed studies into its effectiveness, other than actual cases of someone using it and noting relief. It just seems chemically, more useful than vinegar...as vinegar which I've explain simply reduces venom volume by hypo > hyper tonic reaction...chemically, it doesn't do much else.

P.s - the rabbit thing was in relation to it working on Sulfuric Acid burns to eye's, as I've never seen a solution nullify chemical burns and stimulated cell-repair so fast in my life, freaking amazing...nothing to do with Jellyfish though.

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#1303991 - 27/01/2015 16:37 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
pogonantha Offline
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Registered: 30/01/2011
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Loc: Maadi, Tully area
Keep up the good work Kev..for now I'll continue to carry a bottle of vinegar in the boat and as we did on the weekend,stay out of the water as currently there has been a huge number of jellies along the beaches in FNQ with the persistent northerly winds.....

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#1305082 - 01/02/2015 13:22 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
Hagrid Offline
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Registered: 13/02/2013
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Loc: Crediton Qld
Ok this one is close to home, in 1957 my grand parents went to Yeppoon for a holiday with their three kids and as you do when you get to the beach, they went for a swim on the Yeppoon main beach Bobby the eldest ran to the water diving head first into a wave and unfortunately into a large box jelly. He immediately began to scream then collapsed in the water Granddad went to his aid and was stung himself in the process and brought him to the beach for medical aid but unfortunately Bobby died on the beach (10years old). Fifty years later you could still see the scars from that day on Grandad's back and arms. He likened it to being hit with a stockwhip of fire and thought it was one of the most painful things he had experienced. I know the old fella had a high pain threshold because he broke his leg then drove over an hour to the Rockhampton hospital. Anyway a story for the thread.

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#1305136 - 01/02/2015 19:12 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
Wave Rider Offline
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Registered: 27/01/2014
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Loc: Wollongong NSW
Thats really sad Cloudbreak frown Thanks for sharing that story.
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#1305162 - 01/02/2015 21:13 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
pogonantha Offline
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Loc: Maadi, Tully area
Thats really horrible for your family Cloudbreak...the story sounds eerily similar to a tragic event 12 years ago here at Mission Beach..

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/24/1048354505551.html

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#1313793 - 25/02/2015 19:31 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
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Loc: Wide Bay..Near the beach
Sad story cloudbreak. I knew a guy in the Whitsundays who was stung around the ankle when he was 19 . He also had the marks 42 years later as clear as they were all those years earlier.

He also said there is simply nothing to compare to the pain. It is instant and like someone is holding a flame to your skin was his description.
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#1343189 - 07/10/2015 21:50 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
Popeye Offline
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Registered: 30/12/2006
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Loc: Cable Beach - Broome WA
I wonder if the above average water temps off WA will bring a spike in Jellyfish stings throughout WA. Kimberley, Pilbara and even Gascoyne. Time will tell. A few have turned up in drag nets in Broome over recent weeks. Very unusual for late Sept to get some Irukandji showing up.
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#1364855 - 08/02/2016 16:24 Re: Box Jelly Fish [Re: terrified]
desieboy Offline
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Loc: Broome
Been stung recently twice within a few days and I reckon our Box Jelly is not the real lethal one.
Having said that on two different occasions years ago I noticed that one sting was a lot more painful and lasted longer than a similar sting weeks before.Both stings were in the same location around my arm.

I have a feeling too that there is more than a few different types of Box Jellies lurking around these waters.
I have even seen one with slightly mauve colouring to the main body and tentacles.

This standing has happened many times but usually in other locations not Cable Beach ...worst place especially this time of year where you will see then close to shore on any given day is around the Crab Creek area .


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