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#77774 - 17/03/2007 18:06 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
Natasha Offline
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Yes I wonder andrew-f. How come 19c in Melbourne now feels HOT when your outside in the direct open. There seems to be hardly any cloud cover in almost all of this years summer days. A relo visited from OS & he reckons our Melbourne sun is SEARING & ultra glary!
They went to gold coast for a week & said the sun & weather was much milder compared to Melbourne.
Do others think the sun in Melbourne has become searing & ultra glary or is it just this particular cloudless summer?
And if so any ideas why?

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#77775 - 17/03/2007 22:42 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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I wouldnt say there has been much of a change in the glariness of the sun. I always have thought the sun here in Melbourne always had a real kick and bite to it. From September to April, if there isnt a breeze, the sun (in my opinion) has always felt warm to hot, even if the air temperature isnt.

This summer I believe it was much more noticeable because there were much more sunny days than normal.

Also in response to Andrew sometimes I have felt the BOM have underestimated breezes this summer. Many times actual temps have been lower than forecast temps. Not that I am criticizing, I understand how hard it can be to forecast accurate temps for Melbourne.

Will tomorrow get to 25? If the breeze blows all day, will probably only get to 21 or 22 with inland suburbs like Viewbank and the Yarra Valley much warmer.

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#77776 - 18/03/2007 11:11 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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Only 13.3C here at 11:00AM. Has been extremely slow warming up this morning, only risen around 4 degrees from the minimum, despite clear skies and light winds. The forecast maximum for Ballarat was 25C today same as Melb and we are usually only a degree or so cooler than Ballarat here, so it looks like the BOM might be way off today unless things warm up significantly this afternoon.

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#77777 - 18/03/2007 13:37 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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Andrew, I don't think much more warming up is going to happen now. Max so far in Melbourne has only been 21 and it is now 19.7. Unless a change of wind direction occurs (well any wind really from the general northerly direction) occurs. I would guess that 21 (maybe a 22) may be the max today

Tony

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#77778 - 18/03/2007 15:32 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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21C maximum here, might touch 22C in the next hour or so. Really very pleasant weather today, almost ideal weather conditions, if only we could get some rain and moisture this week I wouldn't mind having more days like this, more pleasant than 25C at this time of the year IMO. It's a good sign that the seasons are changing I reckon when BOM gets caught out a little with max temp forecasts.

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#77779 - 18/03/2007 18:43 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
Natasha Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by norfolk:
I wouldnt say there has been much of a change in the glariness of the sun. I always have thought the sun here in Melbourne always had a real kick and bite to it. From September to April, if there isnt a breeze, the sun (in my opinion) has always felt warm to hot, even if the air temperature isnt.
Indeed that is exactly how I see it too.
Is it possible that the glariness on a cloud free day is worse in Melbourne due to to our latitude and also that we are in the southern hemisphere. I have noticed that the sun does not seem as vicous in latitudes closer to the equator even the Gold coast but also say Cairns
But the sun seems even more sof in the northern hemisphere even say in South china and Hong Kong or Taiwan or Hawaii which are all around the tropic of cancer latitude.
Today felt really warm but checking the temps it only got to low twenties. I agree that its the glare & intensity of a Melbourne summer sun that makes one feel its a hot day when in fact its only low twenties

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#77780 - 18/03/2007 19:10 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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hmmmmm 26 tomorrow?

I think cloud cover is going to hinder the rise in temps. Will get to 23 at the most tomorrow There will be rain in the area but mainly north of melbourne. The closest rain is going to get to melbourne is probably woodend to the NW of Melbourne.

Warmest temps tomorrow may be in the S or SE of the state not affected by rain and with lighter or less cloud cover.

Let's see if this comes true lol

Tony

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#77781 - 20/03/2007 19:15 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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i really loved all the rain today
cant wait till winter woo

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#77782 - 20/03/2007 19:41 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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today's rain was great. Was very humid as well. When the rain stopped that sticky air was around which I didnt like. My predictions from a couple of days ago didnt really come through but todays max's in the south of the state was close smile

Tony

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#77783 - 20/03/2007 21:44 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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I have kept records here in Kerang since 2003. Since then, monthly totals for March have been:
2003 - 0.0 mm
2004 - 2.4 mm
2005 - 2.8 mm
2006 - 7.6 mm
2007 - 8.2 mm so far!!!

This is an exciting time - no two ways about it - and I'm not being facetious. There is the hint of a glint creeping back into the eyes of the cockies around here.

Ron.

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#77784 - 21/03/2007 09:28 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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Further to the comments from Norfolk about Melbourne's ever increasing temperatures, it seems that Melbourne Airport hasn't had a minimum temperature under 10C since the 26th of December last year, a full 85 days! That must be some sort of record...

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#77785 - 21/03/2007 09:31 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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It is indeed (previously 62 days in 1975-76).

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#77786 - 21/03/2007 16:16 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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I thought it must have been...may I ask where did you get that information Blair as the BOM only releases daily temps etc for Melbourne Regional office dating back to 1856, not the Airport site. Is there another source for this kind of information you have?

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#77787 - 21/03/2007 16:31 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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LOL... I reckon he has ways and means.... wink
Probably not available to the public though!

Thats an impressive but obscure record though!

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#77788 - 21/03/2007 16:54 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
Blair Trewin Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by pete25:
I thought it must have been...may I ask where did you get that information Blair as the BOM only releases daily temps etc for Melbourne Regional office dating back to 1856, not the Airport site. Is there another source for this kind of information you have?
The Melbourne Airport data only goes back to 1970, which is when Tullamarine was opened - before then there was a site at (or near) the old Essendon Airport. (More recently an AWS has gone in at Essendon using the old station number, but I don't think it's in the same place - there's a park a couple of blocks into Airport West called 'Weather Station Park' which I'd guess was the old site, but I don't know this for sure).

Like any other site, the last 12 months from there are available via the Bureau website but anything else needs to be requested specifically.

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#77789 - 21/03/2007 18:48 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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I wonder if the recent patterns of extremely high (with respect to the mean) max and min temps over Melbourne and Vic (and indeed much of the SE) are a result of any sort of permanent change in the weather patterns in where we get hardly any significant cool changes at least compared to what we used to. I have commented on this previously in this thread, but summer in particular just seems to get a lot more easterlies than I've ever seen before and there is a marked lack of southerlies. The current 7 day forecast for Melbourne looks more like a January forecast from the early 1990's except it's late March at the moment. frown

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#77790 - 21/03/2007 19:46 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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I was wondering the same thing today andrew. Is it just the fact that we are going through a warmer period, and sometime soon we will have cooler than average summers or a more permanent thing? Something we wont know I suppose until we can see results in say 20 years time.

Also, I have always wanted to be able to get daily data for Melbourne since records began. I love looking at stats and would love to be able to look up stats that take my fancy, for example 'what was the max temp on 14 jan 1907?', or 'what was the average max in July 1962?' or comparative data like 'the hottest 10 months on record' or the 'coldest 10 winters on record' etc etc. I could go on! lol

I look up this website that discusses Chicago's weather. I love how it really discusses stats for the chicago area and sometimes other areas of the states. http://blogs.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/

Would love to see a site like this that discusses the Melbourne area weather.

Tony
(I hope i havent done anything wrong by providing this link! but I do look at it daily)

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#77791 - 21/03/2007 21:00 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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Registered: 15/04/2001
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Loc: Trentham 705m
Wandering around in the dark as you do at 5.30am before hitting the road for work, I went around one side of the house on my way to drop the awnings and came face to face with a FROG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I can't tell you whether it was an Eastern Common Froglet, a Pobblebonk or a Southern Brown Tree Frog because the torch battery was dying and there was an inquisitive dog hot on my heels...but it's the first one I've seen here for 18 months and I'm near to the top of a hill!!! (is there going to be thaaat much rain??)

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#77792 - 22/03/2007 09:33 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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Thanks for that Blair, I wish the BOM could put ALL the stations around Australia and their historical daily, monthly and annual temperatures instead of only the main 97 stations around Australia...but I guess that is still a hell of alot more data then any other country and their weather organisations give for free!

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#77793 - 22/03/2007 11:47 Re: Melbourne & Victoria day to day weather
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The long-term plan is (I think) to make all of the raw data freely available, but this is a formidable IT undertaking and I think is going to be a staged project over several years. The first stage of that (improved climate averages pages) has gone up today.

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