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#1271247 - 29/07/2014 14:24 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
desieboy Offline
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That's looks wonderful Yasified bet it taste better that the chemically grown Broccoli as well. Grew a few veges years ago and they all tasted yummy and went down a lot better knowing there was no nasties associated with their growth.
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#1271252 - 29/07/2014 15:19 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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How many acres you got of that broccoli or is it just the one.....???

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#1271273 - 29/07/2014 19:07 Re: Organic Foods [Re: sparraz]
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I agree desieboy, all fruits and veg grown organically tastes so much better and has much better texture.

You should be able to grow a fair bit in Broome,especially at this time of year.

i have always grown my veg and fruits organically as i cannot fathom why i would want to cover perfectly good food in poison and then eat it? the way i see it if a bug eats something and dies, it is not safe to eat, if a bug eats something and lives, then it is safe to eat.
As per one of my previous posts.

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We are now firmly entrenched in the notion that spraying poison on our food is somehow safe and beneficial.

We are brainwashed into believing that small amounts of poisons are perfectly permissible.


Originally Posted By: sparraz
How many acres you got of that broccoli or is it just the one.....???


I have between 70-100 plants in at this stage, all at varying stages of growth sparraz, and yes i know what your reply will be....
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But you can't grow large scale without using pesticides....
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#1273225 - 16/08/2014 09:07 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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http://fafdl.org/blog/2014/08/14/what-th...mments-on-gmos/ You might want to read this. It puts into context a range of issues that you seem to be frightened of and should help you to come to terms with your utter hatred of Roundup. Here is a hint. Round up works by halting photosynthesis and as humans don't use photosynthesis our bodies turn Round up into a form of salt which is excreted normally from the body with no harm.
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#1273234 - 16/08/2014 09:59 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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Let me see ... ah ... OK I read it and I still hate Round Up ...

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#1273235 - 16/08/2014 10:01 Re: Organic Foods [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
http://fafdl.org/blog/2014/08/14/what-th...mments-on-gmos/ You might want to read this. It puts into context a range of issues that you seem to be frightened of and should help you to come to terms with your utter hatred of Roundup. Here is a hint. Round up works by halting photosynthesis and as humans don't use photosynthesis our bodies turn Round up into a form of salt which is excreted normally from the body with no harm.


Thanks for the link......was a great read smile

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#1273257 - 16/08/2014 11:28 Re: Organic Foods [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
Here is a hint. Round up works by halting photosynthesis and as humans don't use photosynthesis our bodies turn Round up into a form of salt which is excreted normally from the body with no harm.


If you believe that, then you believe anything...Like how they claimed it was biodegradable and left no residue in the soil.

Besides, Organic growers don't need to use nor rely on that rubbish. smile
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#1273444 - 17/08/2014 09:38 Re: Organic Foods [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Beetroot and sweetcorn.



Yellow Chard.




I love the colours of Beetroot! smile




Juicy,sweet,soft fleshed organic Tomato.... bounce




And Luffa Sponge.

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#1273456 - 17/08/2014 10:38 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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There's a great Catalyst episode at the moment on gut bacteria and healthy eating

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1302H005S00#playing

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#1273603 - 18/08/2014 09:36 Re: Organic Foods [Re: Ben Quinn (BSCH)]
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That's what most people don't realize just how important gut flora actually is, and they probably don't realize (or more than likely don't care) that like pesticides,when you take antibiotics you are actually killing the good bugs/bacteria as well as the bad.

As both are indiscriminate and will kill the good and the bad, and like most who live the typical western lifestyle of high sugar,salt and fats, they are already have compromised gut flora,and that is exactly the sort of environment that sugars love.
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#1273699 - 19/08/2014 08:01 Re: Organic Foods [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
Andy Double U Offline
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Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak

Originally Posted By: sparraz
How many acres you got of that broccoli or is it just the one.....???


I have between 70-100 plants in at this stage, all at varying stages of growth sparraz, and yes i know what your reply will be....
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But you can't grow large scale without using pesticides....


Well Yasi, all you have to do is demonstrate how your organic growing methods can produce enough food in the quantities required and also keep a lid on the cost of inputs so that growers can maintain a decent return whilst not slugging the consumer in terms of cost.

It's a pretty simple hypothesis to test.

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#1273719 - 19/08/2014 10:24 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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Not even a hypothesis. We sell a large and increasing range of organic fresh produce from our store. All grown without the use of chemicals, some from small growers, some from very large operations. We live and trade in one of the poorest electorates in Australia, and sell at prices that work both for the grower and we believe for the customer. So, from my experience of the last 10 years it can and does work.
Large scale without pesticides? Absolutely possible - there is what I would describe as organic monoculture happening in the UK. Happen not to think of that as a long term sustainable solution either, but as a case in point it does show it can be done.

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#1273728 - 19/08/2014 11:18 Re: Organic Foods [Re: Andy Double U]
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Originally Posted By: Andy Double U
Well Yasi, all you have to do is demonstrate how your organic growing methods can produce enough food in the quantities required and also keep a lid on the cost of inputs so that growers can maintain a decent return whilst not slugging the consumer in terms of cost.

It's a pretty simple hypothesis to test.


Are Commercial chemical growers keeping a lid on cost? are they struggling to make a decent living from what they produce?

If the playing field were level and Organic food was priced the same as commercial chemical food, you know what most people would choose.

Just the other day i was in Woolies and the had organic Kale at the same price as Commercial chemical Kale,guess what? the organic Kale was all gone.

Besides, organic foods is one area that is rapidly expanding, people are waking up to the amount of chemical that are used on foods, from inception to plate, they want to have a cleaner healthy option.

Anyway After all that, haven't you quoted that horse poo is the best fertilizer?
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#1282301 - 28/10/2014 20:45 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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Nature provides everything we need. I've been saying for years that there's 3 things to know about gardening. Mulch, mulching, and mulched. And there's definitely no shortage of it just about everywhere. The right sort too. Branches and leaves.

Back to Eden (2011)
http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/back_to_eden_2011/

Film-makers' summary: After years of back-breaking toil in ground ravaged by the effects of man-made growing systems, Paul Gautschi has discovered a taste of what God intended for mankind in the garden of Eden. Some of the vital issues facing agriculture today include soil preparation, fertilization, irrigation, weed control, pest control, crop rotation, and PH issues. None of these issues exist in the unaltered state of nature or in Paul's gardens and orchards. "Back to Eden" invites you to take a walk with Paul as he teaches you sustainable organic growing methods that are capable of being implemented in diverse climates around the world.


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#1304688 - 30/01/2015 14:02 Re: Organic Foods [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Western Australia Organic Association rejects application to allow 0.9% GM contamination in Australian organics. Organic Association of WA president Leesa Caldwell said in making the ruling, common sense had prevailed and the integrity of organics in Australia could remain highly respected and world-class. “The organic sector should not be made the scapegoat for a failure to segregate GM crops from non-GM crops,” she said. ZERO GM TOLERANCE.

READ: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/region...cts-gm-request/
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#1305128 - 01/02/2015 19:00 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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I will only use natural products on my gardens and have always had lovely vegetables but now the dreaded grasshopper has invaded and eaten all my leafy vegetables. Ive tried the usual concoctions o garlic, etc but to no avail.Anyone know how to get rid of them??

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#1305448 - 03/02/2015 10:05 Re: Organic Foods [Re: Whisper]
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The best way i find is to go out early in the morning while it is still cool and the grasshoppers are slow is to just squish them,then repeat again later in the day.
You will find it does bring the numbers down, and then the predatory bugs and birds take over and keep them under control.
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#1305531 - 03/02/2015 19:29 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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Try ducks, I have read and heard they are quite effective.
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#1306209 - 07/02/2015 17:52 Re: Organic Foods [Re: AaronD]
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Thanks for the replies. Unfortunately ducks aren't an option as I live on a corner of 2 busy roads and no fence in the yard with the veggies.Hmmm,but roast duck with home grown veggies sound yummy:)

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#1327813 - 04/05/2015 10:58 Re: Organic Foods [Re: Whisper]
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More and more people are waking up to the dangers of chemicals in food and are wanting a clear alternative (or how real food used to be grown....)

Unstoppable movement: Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

Got Organic Milk? That's the question more and more consumers are asking in supermarkets across the nation. | Sales of organic food have grown dramatically over the last decade - soaring from $3 billion in 1997 to more than $10 billion in 2003, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.

In fact, demand for organic food is growing so fast that consumer demand is outstripping some domestic supplies.

Once a net exporter of organic products, the United States now spends more than $1 billion a year to import organic food, according to the USDA, and the ratio of imported to exported products is now about 8-to-1.

Many of these organic imports are grown in the European Union, where more than 140,000 farmers are meeting Europe's weaker organic standards on 12.6 million acres of farmland.

In contrast, about 10,000 American farmers have made the transition to organic food production on about 2.3 million acres of land, according to the USDA's Economic Resources Service.

"It's a system, and it takes a while to convert" to organic farming, said Greg Bowman of the Rodale Institute in Pennsylvania. "But, farmers are watching their neighbors convert, going to field days, and they¹re seeing that it can be done."

So, why have fewer U.S. farmers made the changes in farming methods that allow them to market their goods under the USDA's organic label?

Bowman says that there has been a long-standing interest in organic farming in the Bay states, and that the number of Bay farmers practicing organic agriculture was accelerated by the passage in 1990 of a federal law directing the USDA to create the now familiar organic label.

But, to meet the organic standard, farmers must abandon the use of synthetic pesticides, growth hormones and antibiotics and take other steps to improve soil quality, such as crop rotation.

Although some farmers see no impact on production from these changes, "there often is a production decrease associated with the transition" to organic methods of farming, said Peter Miller of Organic Valley, a cooperative of farmers.

For some farmers, the costs of a three-year "transition" period - when yields and, consequently, farm sales fall - outweigh the benefits of the "premium" they will ultimately earn. But most farmers see their yields rebound by the time they have completed the transition to organic farming, Bowman said, and many can keep yields high during transition‹but only through careful soil management and crop selection.

The costs of organic production can be lower as well‹because input costs such as pesticide applications are reduced‹but revenue can fall by more than $100 an acre in some parts of the country, USDA studies show. A 2001 study by the Northeast Organic Farming Association found that milk costs fell by 7 percent during transition‹but that milk yields fell by 29 percent.

Once farmers are able to charge the "premium" for organic products, farmers typically recoup these losses.

For example, revenues on organic dairy farms were about 2 percent higher than revenues on conventional farms, according to the 2001 study.

But, the prospect of losing money for three years‹to make more money thereafter‹poses an obstacle to many farmers.

As a result, some cooperatives like Organic Valley and Horizon have been making small "transition" payments to help farmers make the switch. And, at least two states are using USDA conservation funds to underwrite the cost of making the transition to organic farming practices.

Rodale's Bowman thinks such payments are justified when "public dollars are buying healthy farms, healthy watersheds and healthy food and communities." Increasing the number of well-managed organic farmers in the Bay watershed, he said, would have enormous potential to reduce the amount of nitrogen and phosphorous being washed off farm fields.

Another barrier to the transition, according to Miller of Organic Valley, is simply learning the details of organic farm management.

Although many cooperatives and organizations provide technical assistance, relatively few of the familiar faces upon which farmers rely for advice - such as extension agents, soil and water conservation districts or crop consultants­know much about the details of organic farming.

European farmers have since 1992 been eligible for government-financed "green payments" that ease the costs of the transition to organic production. Because European Union and U.S. organic standards are not compatible, relatively few EU farmers can slap a USDA organic seal on their products. But, Miller said, that could change in the coming years.

Demand for organic food is likely to grow, experts say, because consumers are more likely to see organically grown food as a healthy and nutritious option to conventionally grown products, studies show.

A recent study by the Hartman Group, a market research firm that tracks healthy food sales and trends, found that traditional motives to buy organic-concern for the environment-have been eclipsed by concerns about health and food safety. Price and availability, studies show, remain the leading barriers to the purchase of organic products.

The growing industry faced a setback this year when a federal judge ruled that a 1990 law directing the USDA to create the organic label and certification system prohibited the use of ³synthetic² ingredients in organic foods.

The 2002 rule implementing the law required that the ingredients in products labeled as "100-percent organic" only contain organically produced
ingredients. But, the rule also created two other USDA labels - "organic" and "made with organic ingredients"- that permit processors to include limited amounts non-organic ingredients.

Congress last month quietly amended the 1990 law directing the USDA to allow the goods marketed with the "organic" label to include the addition of some non-organic ingredients‹effectively overturning the court ruling. While some organic advocates feared that the inclusion of "synthetics" will erode the credibility of the term "organic," lawmakers were concerned that organic companies faced serious financial losses if the rule were changed.

While Bay states will never boast as much organic production as states like California‹where crops can be grown all year‹experts expect to see more and more Bay farmers make the switch as the demand grows.

Currently, organic dairies in Eastern states like Pennsylvania and Maryland have reached a plateau because of a shortage of farmers willing to grow organic feed grains and the infrastructure needed to store, ship and refine organic feed grains‹a problem that is not limited to dairy farmers.

"Scaling up a regional or local system is fraught with difficulty," Bowman said. "It's always a struggle because you're competing price-wise with people who have a huge market advantage" and well-established
infrastructure.
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