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#861463 - 02/05/2010 22:18 The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation
Dr Philosophy Offline
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Thanks to the recent discussion in the "NSW/ACT day to day weather" thread, here's the list of 10 highest cities in Australia, in terms of elevation.

I've already posted the top 10 in the aforementioned thread, but after a confusion has been solved on whether Lithgow in NSW is a city or not, as well as the fact that I've left 1 city from another territory out, here's the updated & more correct list:

1. Armidale, NSW (980m)
2. Orange, NSW (860m)
3. Bathurst, NSW (670m)
4. Goulburn, NSW (640m)
5. Toowoomba, QLD (600m)
6. Canberra, ACT/Queanbeyan, NSW (580m)
6. Alice Springs, NT (580m)
8. Ballarat, VIC (450m)
9. Tamworth, NSW (400m)
10. Kalgoorlie, WA (380m)

In my original list, I listed Toowoomba as having an elevation of 700m above sea level. But after looking at the elevation of Toowoomba CBD on Google Earth, it is actually 600m above sea level. Also, Canberra & Queanbeyan is counted as one on the amended list.

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#861471 - 02/05/2010 23:06 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Dr Philosophy]
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Loc: Maryborough Qld Home town Ali...
You can take Alice out of the list, We are a town not city!

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#861473 - 02/05/2010 23:27 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: desert storm]
Simmah Offline
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Perhaps this wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Australia will clear up the city debate that is currently happening in the day to day weather thread... Also, where are you getting your height information? I always thought Canberra was officially 660m ASL... but probably averages 600m anyways..

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#861482 - 03/05/2010 07:24 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Simmah]
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I thought that Toowoomba was only in the 600s!
Also Lithgow IS a city, has been for years, It was Lithgow City Council for a long time then amended to City of Greater Lithgow.
Lithgow should definitely be on the list, it is even on that wikipedia list from Simmahs post above.

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#861491 - 03/05/2010 08:49 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: avalon]
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What is the criteria that is being used to determine a city? Is it any town or city with a population over 20,000 and/or any town/city with its own muncipality? I wouldn't consider Lithgow as a city. Its population is rather small (~12,000), but than again it depends on what criteria is being used.

I think it is appropriate to leave Alice on the list considering Goulburn is on the list also. Goulburn is a smaller town than Alice.

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#861502 - 03/05/2010 10:09 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Rime]
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I wouldnt think that there is a criteria, a place either is or isnt. If Alice Springs is not a city then it would be off the list. You cant make a decision on a places status based on whether you think it should be included or not.

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#861509 - 03/05/2010 11:01 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: avalon]
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Originally Posted By: avalon
You cant make a decision on a places status based on whether you think it should be included or not.


Exactly why you need some kind of criteria or guideline to work from to determine whether a town is a city or not. As a general rule, a city is normally defined by the size of the population and whether it has its own municipality.

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#861518 - 03/05/2010 11:48 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Rime]
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LOL townsville is a town of 170 000 people and we still dont get on the weather map.
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#861519 - 03/05/2010 12:00 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Dawgggg]
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Near 180,000 now actually and yeah can't ever get a place on a weather map, I have seen Tennent Creek on the map before and we weren't lol.
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#861523 - 03/05/2010 12:21 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Flooding rains]
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Really 180 000, geez in ten years we have grown over 20 000
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#861527 - 03/05/2010 13:15 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Dawgggg]
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...and the lowest? Cairns is about a metre above lol. ...and the wettest? We win.
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#861531 - 03/05/2010 13:31 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: ColdFront]
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Thats a shed load of Mexicans Trav. No wonder there are so many bad drivers up here.

Townsville doesn't rate a mention on the weather map because we don't suck on the tourist teat like Cairns does.
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#861558 - 03/05/2010 17:38 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: SBT]
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Criteria for a city? It USED to be a population of 20000, PLUS a cathedral, and had to be royally decreed as a city, but I don't know know - even if a "city" is under the 20000, it may well have been in the past. (Maryborough, QLD was a city of 19000 in 1994).

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#861564 - 03/05/2010 18:03 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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That's the way SBT, blame the Mexicans. Anyone honest enough knows that the nth has the worst drivers in Australia.

Not sure on the cruteria TC. I do know that Cairns passed Darwin to become Australia's 14th largest city recently.
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#861565 - 03/05/2010 18:07 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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The wiki page i linked to clearly names all cities in Aust recognized by the governments but i can see how debate remains as to what criteria is used... No doubt each state is different too.

One thing i've come across is, "a city can be understood as an urban area which is divided into suburbs, and a town is an urban area which is not divided into suburbs.".. Pretty simple really but that ignores population, which is sticking point for many.

But anyways, for the purpose of this list the cities that are recognized by the govts should be the ones we use, seeing they are the official cities in Australia..

EDIT: And perhaps use the official heights rather then the google earth estimations... For instance Toowoomba would be 691m, Lithgow 950m etc etc..

Simon


Edited by Simmah (03/05/2010 18:15)

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#861566 - 03/05/2010 18:18 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Originally Posted By: tornadochaser_76
Criteria for a city? It USED to be a population of 20000, PLUS a cathedral, and had to be royally decreed as a city, but I don't know know - even if a "city" is under the 20000, it may well have been in the past. (Maryborough, QLD was a city of 19000 in 1994).


I dont know about royally decreed but i had once heard that a Cathedral is one of the factors considered when proclaiming a city.
Lithgow once had a much higher population, somewhere approaching 27000, it was once the third biggest city in NSW. They all high-tailed off to Wollongong in the 20s and 30s when Australian Iron and Steel(now Bluescope) abandoned the town in favour of Port Kembla.

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#861569 - 03/05/2010 18:22 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Rime]
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Originally Posted By: Rime
Originally Posted By: avalon
You cant make a decision on a places status based on whether you think it should be included or not.


Exactly why you need some kind of criteria or guideline to work from to determine whether a town is a city or not. As a general rule, a city is normally defined by the size of the population and whether it has its own municipality.


I wasnt trying to establish if particular towns could qualify for city status, Rime. Was really only interested in the ones that already have been named cities already

The list of top ten highest towns would read very differently to the top ten cities.You wouldnt see Canberra or Kalgoorlie or Ballaarat on that list





Edited by avalon (03/05/2010 18:26)

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#862382 - 08/05/2010 20:17 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: avalon]
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As it is a very subjective process in determining whether a populated place is a city or merely a town with many criteria to consider it would probably be better to rank towns based on population, i.e. highest towns above 20,000 population, highest towns above 5,000, highest above 500 etc. This information would be a lot harder to sort out but we wouldn't have to argue about whether the town meets the criteria to be included on the list.

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#862389 - 08/05/2010 21:28 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: ColdsnapIII]
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This topic has been discussed at length in the forums some years ago. Think it was in GW?
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#862394 - 08/05/2010 21:43 Re: The 10 Highest Cities in Australia - in terms of elevation [Re: Blizzard]
Simmah Offline
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Again, ill re iterate my point.. Why make it a subjective process when the wiki page i've linked to are the OFFICIAL cities in Australia. We can sit here and discuss/debate one another as to what is a town or city, but at the end of the day, towns we might conclude are cities and vise versa really mean diddly squat because they are not official in any sense of the word...

What is clear though, The highest city in Australia is Armidale followed closely by lithgow.

When we move on to towns and settlements, then officially the highest settlement in Australia as Cabramurra... but the city/town/settlement is another discussion all together.

EDIT.. Found this linky for the highest in Australia... But they've included villages too.... http://maps.bonzle.com/c/a?a=f&sc=h&st=0&mo=91772837&cmd=sp

Simon


Edited by Simmah (08/05/2010 21:50)

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