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#877468 - 17/08/2010 18:03 ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT
MikeM Offline
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Hi, just wanted to know if anyone in brisbane who lives on a small lot that is less than 450 m sqaure and in a demolition control area?
Having a lot of problems with conflicting information from the brisbane city council who are attempting to virtually robb me of all my money whilst not promising anything.
They say to do a relaxation - $530 and then a DA - $630 and then they'l see. Whilst talking to one town planner said there is no way of getting it passed and that the council are trying to rob you of your cash ?

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#877533 - 18/08/2010 07:41 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: MikeM]
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Mike, I wouldn't go after a permit for a car port.
Better idea would be to apply to put in a rainwater tank and 10metre x 30metre raised catchment area.

Might pay to tell them the raised catchment area will also be designed and orientated to support future solar panels .....of course.
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#877829 - 19/08/2010 10:33 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Under 25 sq meters you don't need council engineer approval but you still need planning permission. As Arnoldnut says just describe it as a catchment system for your rain water tank and the numpties behind the counter will have no idea what you are on about.
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#877832 - 19/08/2010 10:51 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: SBT]
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I learnt that early SirBT.
I foolishly wrote 'dark room' on our house plans in the 80s. That was when the Mornington shire building offices were stretching their muscles and I ended up resubmitting with 'Utility Room/Box Room' on the plans (it didn't have a window and they freaked out)

'RainWater Catchment Device' is what I'd call the car port ....must have that 'Water' word in there somewhere.
Apply for the govt grant for the rain WATERtank and put that in with the paperwork .....that will distract them wink
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#877852 - 19/08/2010 12:46 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Before anyone gets too hell-bent on a bit of council bashing, it might pay to read this story and understand that defamation is real.

Mike, if you want some constructive ideas on the topic, you may have to articulate your circumstance a bit better than what you have. I don't quite fully understand what sort of information you're after?
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#877886 - 19/08/2010 17:05 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: bigwilly]
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Thanks guys. I'm in the brisbane city council area on a small lot below 450 m2, and in a demolition control zone. I ended up submitting a single car port plan with a pergola off to the side ( Un roofed ) For a small lot you need a DA approval in brisbane city council area on a small lot in a DCZ. There was no way they were going to approve the DA, even after they said to put one in " Trap for young players" So went the minimum spec, not what i wanted, but thats all you can do.

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#877905 - 19/08/2010 19:24 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: MikeM]
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Once it is up you can lodge a Material Change in Plans (Well thats what they called it up here in Thuringowa) when we changed from a single to double carport but they are pretty relaxed up here so long as it within specs for cyclone ratings. Had to have a second engineers inspection but it was passed without any major issues. Talk to the engineering department, ask at the counter to talk to an engineer not the dolly birds who handle general enquiries.
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#877916 - 19/08/2010 20:29 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: SBT]
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No, you want to talk to the planner or building surveyor. The engineers look after road works, sewer, water, stormwater etc, not planning enquiries.
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#877924 - 19/08/2010 20:47 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: bigwilly]
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Yep same department but i gave them the wrong title. Big Willy. LOL
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#877998 - 20/08/2010 08:50 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: SBT]
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Yes they are pretty strict here in brisbane. What i don't get is that they are trying to allow maximum density living, which daaaa means more small lots. Ummmm what is the average number of cars a family has these days ? ummmmm that would be two. So what they are saying is only one carport for a small lot. Dosen't make any sense. Annnnd to add to that, anything over 450 m2 in brissy is becoming unaffordable for the avergae person, think council, think. Do you like having cars parked in the streets

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#878193 - 21/08/2010 10:25 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: MikeM]
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Not trying to be a smartasre but what about these
http://www.multiparking.com.au/products/stack-parkers.php
I see them all around my sisters place in the inner city of melb.
....depends on the block/space etc but high density needs to be looked at sideways I reckon.

Will, I own a backhoe....I'm often there with the inspector digging the foundations/drainage and I hear both sides of the stories (I'm usually around the site until they stand the letterbox up) ....and my bros a civil design eng/licenced surveyor (ex MMBW) and boss of Eastern Construction thru the Thompson etc ....he's been building houses in melb and taking plans to council (and to council meetings for approval) for 15 years now ...I hear the stories smile
Myself, I run the town planning here at Arnold ...Shire Offices are 90 ks away and don't even know we exist wink
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#882952 - 13/09/2010 18:21 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Material Change of Use in a Demolition Control Precinct? Not an easy ask....things Council will consider are the amenity of the area, visual impact, setbacks, and how the proposal will address the character of an area. Numpty behind counters? Town Planners can tell you what you are up against, but you have to decide whether you want to take the chance of not getting an approval. As they say, buyer beware....btw - is it Code Assessable, Code Notifiable, or Impact Assessable? Pm me if you want me to have a look.

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#882956 - 13/09/2010 18:44 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Originally Posted By: tornadochaser_76
Town Planners can tell you what you are up against, but you have to decide whether you want to take the chance of not getting an approval.


Are you sure about that!!! smile

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#883123 - 14/09/2010 09:20 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: Stormy1]
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I think impact assessable, but that rings a bell. They have approved a relaxation for a single carport with a pergola off to the side. go figure.

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#883407 - 15/09/2010 12:50 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: MikeM]
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Stormy1 - ask me anything, buddy-o, and i'll flick pass it as quick as I can!!

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#883460 - 15/09/2010 18:30 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Impact Assessable? probably...Brisbane has a different level of assessment anyhow - known as 'Code - Notifiable'.....which means the boxes are ticked, but the neighbours get a say (too much say?)....

QUOTE MIKEM:- "I think impact assessable, but that rings a bell. They have approved a relaxation for a single carport with a pergola off to the side. go figure."

MikeM - if the carport was at the front of the lot - it would be considered that it, and therefore cars, dominate the streetscape...but along the side? would require concurrence from Town Planning as a rule (under the Sustainable Planning Act)- but - would be a BA at least. I'd have to have a squiz. BCC really do screw the pooch when it comes to customer service....they charge over 1000 bucks an hour for a pre-lodgement meeting, for some greenhorn planner to translate their own planning scheme into English for you....

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#883564 - 16/09/2010 13:36 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: tornadochaser_76]
MikeM Offline
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Can only do it at the front. I tried working with council for a great solution, but really their rules are totally narrow minded as each house is different. There are that many double carports out there in front of house on small lots. And funny this is that they actually enhance the look of a house. I have had a relaxation approved for the single carport with a pergola off to the side so may just go with that, as you can always stick a roof on it.
Else i was going to make the whole this a flat roofed pergola ( must made to look visually attractive though ) but haven't seen one in brisbane so i can look at it

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#883724 - 17/09/2010 15:08 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: MikeM]
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Mike, I mentioned your dilemma with the planning office to my bro the builder. He suggested that he sometimes has a little trouble and so submits plans with bent/curved beams for a carport or pagoda/pagola.
Quite effective and certainly stands out against the straight and narrow ....he just cuts down oregon beams and makes slight boomerangs out of them ....he reckons they haven't rejected one yet and most councils have no ideas themselves but will embrace any new and asthetically pleasing ideas. ....basically want to pinch yours.

If you want some pics of some of his creations just give me a yell and I'll send them along.






Edited by Arnoldnut (17/09/2010 15:10)
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#883759 - 17/09/2010 18:23 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: Arnoldnut]
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excellent idea AN, but I have to tell ya - BCC are AN*L about it in demolition control precincts & the like....

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#884362 - 20/09/2010 10:01 Re: ANYONE BUILT A DOUBLE CARPORT ON A SMALL LOT [Re: tornadochaser_76]
MikeM Offline
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BCC are AN'l and have no idea that brisbane is becoming a city of small lots, and they fail to realise that the average family has two cars. These car ports actually enhave greatly the look of all houses that put them in. The front of a house is so non functional and the wasted space is ridiculous

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