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#879471 - 27/08/2010 20:41 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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He had no choice. If he wants to form government he has to go through this process. So he either has a chance of forming government (I'd say a better chance than labor) through co-operating with the indies or he has no chance at all when the majority of people feel he is hiding something. His hand was forced but not by Gillard.

Julia was in the process of gaining legal advice so she hadn't really acceded to anone yet. She merely said she wanted to co-operate.
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#879478 - 27/08/2010 21:09 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
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this is [censored]. I voted for someone but now the people of australia dont even get a say. Im never wasting my time driving to vote for these idiots ever again.
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#879849 - 30/08/2010 16:02 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Dawgggg]
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The Two Party Preferred is narrowing.

http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

Labor is now ahead by less than 10,000 with the gap narrowing very fast.

(And they have not yet done a full preferrence allocation - and so all those who voted Liberal first and preferrenced Labor ahead of the Greens in seats where the Greens got more primary votes than the Libs are counted as giving their vote to Labor)
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#879860 - 30/08/2010 17:25 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Labor is now ahead by less than 10,000 with the gap narrowing very fast.


Less than 4,000 now, with the two party preferred count 80.2% complete.
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#879867 - 30/08/2010 18:09 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Helen]
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Wow. that figure was about 120,000 last week. Down to 4000? I think if this trend continues, then the postal votes point towards Liberal. This would have to be a close election. Reminds me of the movie Swing Vote.

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#879897 - 30/08/2010 20:57 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: adam17]
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Libs in front by 2000 now! But I would nor get too excited over this as they are taking out the results where Libs came 3 rd. Grayndler, Dennison etc - they still have to take out the results where Labor came other than top two, and then reconcile them back which apparently will not be done until after the primary counts are finished.
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#880025 - 31/08/2010 17:13 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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ANOTHER $60 BILLION WASTED?

I am a network architect for one of Australia ‘s largest Telco’s – so I
Speak with some authority on this issue.

Here are the technical reasons this will fail :
1) fibre optic cable has a maximum theoretical Lifespan of 25 years when
Installed in conduit. Over time, the glass actually degrades (long story),
And eventually it cant do it`s bouncing of light thing any more. But when
You install fibre outside on overhead wiring (as will be done for much of
Australia ‘s houses, except newer suburbs with underground wiring), then the
Fibre degrades much quicker due to wind, temperature variation and
Solar/cosmic radiation. The glass in this case will last no more than 15
Years. So after 15 years, you will have to replace it. Whereas the copper
Network will last for many decades to come. Fibre is not the best
Technology for the last mile. That`S why no other country has done this.

2) You can not give every house 100Mbps. If you give several million
Households 100Mbps bandwidth, then you have exceeded the entire bandwidth of
The whole Internet. In reality, there is a thing called contention. Today,
Every ADSL service with 20Mbps has a contention ratio of around 20:1 (or
More for some carriers). That means, you share that 20Mbps with 20 other
People. It`S a long story why, but there will NEVER be the case of people
Getting 100Mbps of actual bandwidth. Not for several decades at current
Carrier equipment rates of evolution. The “Core” can not and will not be
Able to handle that sort of bandwidth. The 100Mbps or 1Gbps is only the
Speed from your house to the exchange. From there to the Internet, you will
Get the same speeds you get now. The “Core” of Australia ‘s network is
Already fibre (many times over). And even so, we still have high contention
Ratios. Providing fibre to the home just means those contention ratios go
Up. You will not get better download speeds.

3) new DSL technologies will emerge. 15 years ago we had 56k dial-up. Then
12 years ago we got 256k ADSL, then 8 years ago 1.5Mbps ADSL2, then 5 years
Ago 20Mbps ADSL2+. There are already new DSL technologies being
Experimented on that will deliver over 50Mbps on the same copper we have
Now. $zero cost to the tax payer

4) 4G wireless is being standardised now. The current 3G wireless was
Developed for voice and not for data, and even so it can deliver up to
21Mbps in Australia . There are problems with it, but remember that it was
Developed for voice. The 4G standard is specifically being developed for
Data, and will deliver 100Mbps bandwidth with much higher reliability (yes,
The same contention issues apply mentioned earlier). $zero cost to the tax
Payer

5) The “NBN” will be one of the largest single networks ever built on earth.
There are only a few companies who could do it – Japan ‘s Nippon NTT, BT,
AT&T;, Deutsche Telekom etc. Even Telstra would struggle to built something
On this scale. Yet we are led to believe that the same people who cant
Build school halls or install insulation without being ripped off are going
To to do it ??? Here at Telstra, we are laughing our heads off !! Because
When it all comes crumbling down, after they have spent $60+ billion and the
Network is no more than 1/2 complete, it will be up to Telstra to pick up
The pieces ! (shhhh don’t tell anyone, it`s our secret)


from a post here: linky
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#880028 - 31/08/2010 17:32 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Libs in front by 2000 now!


yeah you were right it wont last long, now labor is ahead by 4500 but the libs have caught up which is good news, this really is close and ive just given up, this will drag on soo long that we wont need a PM anymore haha

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#880039 - 31/08/2010 18:26 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
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Malcom Fraser on Q and A last night made a good point. 98 percent of those school halls program went well, about 2.5 percent didn’t and it was in the disaster led state of you guessed it run by the state gov of NSW.
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#880040 - 31/08/2010 18:28 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Vinnie]
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Remember Labor won the 2 party preferred vote in 1998 but couldn't form government due to not having enough seats.
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#880042 - 31/08/2010 18:39 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Vinnie]
!SCHUMMY! Offline
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nah i wouldnt remember that far haha i think i was like 7 then, this is my first election smile

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#880047 - 31/08/2010 18:47 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Vinnie]
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Craig Emerson spruiking why the independents should go with Labor:
Quote:
Labor and the Coalition are trying to convince the independents that they will be able to offer stable government.

Labor frontbencher Craig Emerson says his party can give that guarantee because its rules prevent MPs from crossing the floor, while Liberals are free to dissent.


So let me get this straight: Labor will be better for the independents because it does not allow independents. :ROFL:
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#880048 - 31/08/2010 19:05 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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Abbott is showing so much arrogance it isn't funny. Would like nothing more than for his smirk to be wiped off his face.
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#880049 - 31/08/2010 19:05 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
Arnost Offline
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Back on the NBN:

Quote:
{Telstra} yesterday launched a 42 megabits per second (Mbps) USB wireless modem


I reckon the Libs solution is looking better and better! The NBN if implemented would have made us wish that it was only as wastefull as the BER! LOL! Bullet dodged me-thinks...
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#880078 - 31/08/2010 21:14 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
Arnost Offline
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And more on the NBN - an open letter from industry suggesting the technology blend solution:

linky

Sort of a pushback to the quips going around is the NBN is like replacing the horse & buggy with high speed rail ... When airlpanes and satelites are just around the corner.
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#880101 - 31/08/2010 23:11 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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Should read "the Alliance for the LNP". The IT world is as divided on the NBN as the electorate is on who should lead. I'll take that report with the grain of salt it deserves. It is only one side's view as usual.

There might be a cure for cancer just around the corner. So let's not operate on anyone until it arrives. Hmmmm. It's a good thing the world doesn't work like that.
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#880104 - 31/08/2010 23:36 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
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...and the Libs's solution supports a continued monopoly by telstra which is prehistoric in itself. Telstra has failed dismally to read the trends in telecommunications so let's reward them by forcing all the other telcos who are "more willing to advance technology" by making them run through yet another telstra monopolised system and a continuance of delays in connections and faults because telstra's cut to the bone technical team can't get there for another 6 weeks because we are understaffed due to the need to pay a dividend to shareholders after our share value tumbled through our own incompetence.

Yeah that's advancing the country. NOT. Abbott's plan is rot. It runs on the framework of what was once one of this country's best businesses but is now in dire straits. Performance of a company's shares is usually a fair indication of the public's confidence in said company.
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#880117 - 01/09/2010 06:46 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
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I like this piece from that link:
Quote:
...we see the greatest priority is giving broadband to those who don't have any, not faster broadband to those that have.

But as long as it can be delivered by all the companies out there, not just Tel$tra... and hopefully the 4G network will deliver the capability for bigger and cheaper data plans for those of us in the country... not the max 14Gb offered by Optus or the max 10Gb offered by Hellstra.
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#880133 - 01/09/2010 08:26 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Helen]
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Originally Posted By: Helen
But as long as it can be delivered by all the companies out there, not just Tel$tra...

I think this is the difference between the 2 proposals for us in the 'other x%'.
With the ALP's proposal, the NBN Co becomes the wholesaler, upgrades the network and offers access to all ISPs at a fixed wholesale price whether the delivery method is fibre, wireless or satelite.

From what I can see, the Coalition will upgrade core parts of the network and offer ISPs incentives to upgrade their technology. So we will still only have Telstra and maybe Optus and the satelite ISPs providing the upgraded service on their terms and prices.

I know which one I'd prefer, but it comes with a huge pricetag.

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#880154 - 01/09/2010 11:17 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: DNO]
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The NBN won't be happening anyway. Abbott announced yesterday his party is no longer in opposition so I am guessing they will be forming government in coming days with the independents and the telstra shareholders will breath a sigh of relief for investing in a company hellbent on screwing its opposition rather than advancing itself.

Hooray for democracy bounce
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