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#880400 - 02/09/2010 15:13 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Flooding rains]
Andy Double U Offline
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Registered: 28/10/2006
Posts: 1829
Loc: Mundoolun, SE QLD, 129m ASL
Originally Posted By: Flooding rains
... what did all that money in the 'bank' do for us in the Howard years.


Ummmm, it gave Rudd, Swan and Gillard the money to squander whilst trying to save us from the GFC. Whilst we are still in debt now, it's not as big as what it would have been had there been no money in the kitty! So in hindsight, it's a darn good thing that Howard didn't spend all of the money because otherwise we'd be eyeing off Greece and thinking how good they've got it!

As for education... seriously? It's getting money thrown at it like never before and it is still failing the younger generations. So why keep throwing money at it? It's not making it any better at the moment! As for health, that is a state matter, to that end, look no further than your friendly state government for it's failings. Actually education is state run as well... Failing health and education systems run by the states, pure coincidence or symptomatic of poor governance?

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#880407 - 02/09/2010 16:19 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Andy Double U]
Vinnie Offline
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Registered: 17/05/2006
Posts: 6821
Loc: Mulambin , Yeppoon Central Qld
Well according to the news on ABC News 24, Andrew Wilkie has signed onto Labor. So only 2 seats short now.

Very interesting indeed.
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#880412 - 02/09/2010 16:33 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Vinnie]
Vinnie Offline
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Registered: 17/05/2006
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Loc: Mulambin , Yeppoon Central Qld
If it had been Gillard vs Howard would the ALP still have won ? and would the leader have changed ?

I don't understand why Gillard wasn't the leader 3 years back .
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#880415 - 02/09/2010 16:46 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Vinnie]
Flooding rains Offline
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Registered: 15/04/2009
Posts: 2787
Loc: Townsville
Heath and Education projects requires funds from both federal and state level. State run maybe, but definite federal involvement. So money in the bank is only there to protect for a recession? When will we learn that all this build up of money etc and blowing up bubbles is what causes them to finally burst. Effective use of money in key areas and infrastructure will do more than anything else. So we will keep doing the same, just keep on barely getting by, barely keeping up with population growth and let the next financial crisis occur.
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#880463 - 02/09/2010 20:47 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Flooding rains]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
Wow. It keeps getting better. $1 billion tp a hospital to woo an independent. So based on that I am guessing each independent would have been offered the same. Afterall, it wouldn't be nice to offer one more than the others.

This little snippet fell in my lap today.
http://dailybludge.com.au/2010/08/tony-abbott-the-man-behind-the-mask/
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#880468 - 02/09/2010 21:06 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
lookin Offline
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Registered: 19/01/2008
Posts: 292
Loc: tweed heads
Mr Abbott has lost a whole load of credibility now.(not that he had alot anyway)I think twice Isaid that he was buying votes at any cost, and it appears now the evidence is clear. Quite right CF he would have ,if elected ,said that some promises could not be kept because of something labor had done. He was a fraud and has now been found out.I find it hard to argue this any other way.

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#880469 - 02/09/2010 21:12 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: lookin]
ant Offline
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Registered: 05/10/2002
Posts: 9063
Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
It was amateur hour with Abbott and Hockey. They just don't have the talent to run the country, they're children.

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#880572 - 03/09/2010 10:41 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ant]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
So now they are smearing Wilkie also because they don't like the guy's decision. This is rather reckless behavior by the LNP. Get used to these kiddy antics because come Tuesday they are most likely to form government.

The 3 remaining independents wish to form a block and Katter won't support the mining tax so it's pretty much a done deal. . Bob Katter wants a giant cross on top of Queensland's highest mountain and is a much better chance of getting it under Abbott grin
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#880581 - 03/09/2010 10:54 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
ant Offline
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Registered: 05/10/2002
Posts: 9063
Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
I dunno. I'm going to wait and see. I think the 2 non-katter independants are leaning towards Labor, for various reasons. And this is only to support one or the other to form government. On legislation, they'll vote their own way each time.

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#880600 - 03/09/2010 11:27 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ant]
Dave-Wx Offline
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Registered: 27/08/2001
Posts: 4950
Loc: Heritage Park, Brisbane, QLD
They might be a bit cranky at Wilkie because Liberal preferences got him over the line (not to mention the fact that Wilkie and the Liberal candidate were old mates at Duntroon)

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#880609 - 03/09/2010 11:41 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Dave-Wx]
ant Offline
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Registered: 05/10/2002
Posts: 9063
Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
...or maybe the liberal candidate was in a year above Wilkie at Duntroon, which might explain a few things!

Wilkie's a progressive. It would have been very hard for him to go with an Abbott gov't. Turnbull, maybe, Abbot, never.

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#880630 - 03/09/2010 12:05 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ant]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
Yeah Ant I agree. It all comes back to Abbott. There must be some in the LNP that regret they put him there knowing he squeaked home by one vote over Turnball. I would have had a much more difficult decision on how my vote went had he been their leader. Various threads I have read have numerous LNP supporters calling for Turnball to get back in the leadership chair. Particularly after this costings issue. The change in his attitude between election night and this week must be ringing alarm bells for some of his members.

Sometimes politicians vote out of fear that the new leader may shove them to the backbench. Had they known it was that close I think it would have been a different outcome and a much better one for the party.

This is an interesting comment from Katter regarding K Rudd.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/03/3001586.htm
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#880636 - 03/09/2010 12:14 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
ant Offline
Meteorological Motor Mouth

Registered: 05/10/2002
Posts: 9063
Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
Turnbull is such a huge step above the other LNP people in terms of ability. He's no politician, which is one of the things I like about him. But the man is so damn competant! I do wish he'd consent to be NSW premier for a while, before returning to federal politics.

I would never, ever vote Liberal. But if Mr Turnbull was there, I just might. Maybe.

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#880637 - 03/09/2010 12:15 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ant]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
Abbott has pretty much announced that the LNP will form a minority government.

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2010/09/01/124991_election.html

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#880641 - 03/09/2010 12:25 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
Posts: 25465
Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
tony abbott actually said that in his cabinet meeting a few days ago too.
the independents, including katter have only just handed over their so called 'wish lists' and no decisions are expected until monday.
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#880884 - 03/09/2010 19:23 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Mick10]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
I think they know who they will be joining and have done since winning their seats. They just want to see how much they can milk out of Abbott before joining him.
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#880975 - 03/09/2010 23:13 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
lookin Offline
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Registered: 19/01/2008
Posts: 292
Loc: tweed heads
So are these three actually going to be independents in their own right or are they going to form the "independent party" . Seems one cant go anywhere without the other .Wonder if they will need three weeks to make up their minds whenever they have to vote on legistlation or whether one of them can actually think independently of the other. Why have they been a party of three anyway? ,seems strange to me

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#880979 - 03/09/2010 23:24 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: lookin]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
I think they are the only people truly happy with the current hung parliament LATS. So they don't want to balls up the process and force us back to the polls. If two were to support the coalition and one the ALP we would have two parties with 75 votes a piece and it's back to the polls. So they are making sure that doesn't happen so that they become the most powerful people in politics for the next 3 years.

In effect they have as much power as any PM if they can hold it together. If they can't and we go back to the polls and one party forms a majority the independents will be pretty much nobodies again.
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#880981 - 03/09/2010 23:26 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
Posts: 25465
Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
one of the 3 in a media scrum i was listening in on this morning said, that "he hopes they will all agree together". so going by that statement, i would say its not guaranteed that they will. i think it will be highly likely they will all make the same decision though.
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#881753 - 06/09/2010 20:00 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Mick10]
ColdFront Offline
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Registered: 29/06/2008
Posts: 19046
Loc: The Beach.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/06/3004121.htm

I think it is becoming more likely the 3 amigos as they have come to be know will support the LNP. Particularly as they are now asking about Mr Crook's loyalty to the LNP.
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