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#877700 - 18/08/2010 20:36 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
ant Offline
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Cheers:

When an economist says: "I don’t have an awful lot of confidence in market prices" - it's time to call the men in white suits as he has certainly lost his marbles... Either that, or admit that he's a socialist. I direct you to the WSJ article I linked above...


I think what that economist is admitting, is that "the market" isn't some independant, objective entity. It's a bunch of people, buying and selling.

And sometimes, people will buy and sell at times or in ways that confound economists, and doesn't help their dry, objective models at all.

Somtimes that Economically Rational Man is just a person, being greedy or cautious, who doesn't understand what he's meant to do.

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#877709 - 18/08/2010 21:00 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Keith]
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 3268
Loc: Townsville - Queensland
Originally Posted By: Keith
Did anyone see Kerry O'Brien's interview with Tony Abbott last night?


Nah, I've given up watching interview's with politicians, I find it very frustrating often cursing at the TV when they cannot simply answer a direct question with a direct answer. You can see the likes of Kerry O'Brien and Tony Jones look on their face of frustration, I'm surprised neither of them have gone and done their nut whilst on air, I know I wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Over the past 6 weeks of what seems to be eternal hell of a plethora of advertisements seeking to point out opposing parties faults, I have genuinely tried to take an interest in this upcoming election, but the deeper I go in searching for which party or candidate is right for me as a voter, the more I realize, that they are all bloody crooks, just some are not as bad as others. The top it off, the very electorate I'm supposed to vote in has it's head offices some 380km away, to see my local federal member will take me 4 hours each way (assuming I don't blow a tire on the goat track) Get a load of this rubbish > http://www.aec.gov.au/profiles/maps/qld/2009-aec-map-qld-division-of-dawson.pdf I don't know who draws these maps, but geographically a 5 year old could see this is rigged. I can drive to my local GPO faster than those in the Northern suburbs.

The best thing to look forward to at the moment, is the defining point when the whole thing is over. It doesn't matter who gets into power, the next day, will be just that, another day. It seems the last 3 years were a total waste of time.

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#877721 - 18/08/2010 21:41 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: adam17]
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Registered: 18/09/2005
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Wow, that boundary for Dawson is ridiculous! I know they aim for each electorate to have similar amount of voters but surely there's a better solution to the current arrangement. You'd think that ideally you'd want Townsville altogether in the same seat. You could reduce the size of Herbert to the north of the city and give that area to Kennedy, put the missing part of Townsville in Herbert, then extend the northern half of Dawson's western boundary further inland to compensate for Kennedy's new part and it's own loss of the missing part of Townsville to Herbert.
I'm sure it's probably not that easy but the current situation can't possibly be the optimum result!

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#877724 - 18/08/2010 21:53 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Keith]
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Registered: 02/11/2001
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Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
dawson is just a stupid seat. the southern suburbs of townsville with a member who is lcoated 400km to the south in mackay. just stupid!!!
herbert seat going to be very interesting, margine of 0.03% at the moment and close contest. we have had gillard here 3times this election, abbott once and a host of other big knobs including Rudd and Hockey.
Rumours are Abbott might be in town tomorrow. not confirmed yet though.
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#877730 - 18/08/2010 22:12 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Mick10]
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At least he'll save on travel costs from Herbert to Dawson.

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#877745 - 18/08/2010 23:04 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: adam17]
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Registered: 07/02/2007
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Finally made up my mind who to vote for. It was a 3 way tie between In Formal, Sex Party, and Fishing and Lifestyle Party. Guess I like fishing n camping more than anything else these days so they will get the nod.

As I heard on the radio from my favourite pinko on LNL ABC the two main contenders wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell in a back room personality contest and as for brains well they both leave me dumbfounded that either one could have been elected to head a party when I have grave doubts about their ability to hold a decent conversation for longer than 3 minutes. Everytime I see and hear Gillard i immediately think of Mrs Ronald mcDonald for some reaon and as for Abbot - shudder speedos. Nah my vote will not go to either of them and espicially not the stinky Greens.
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#877757 - 18/08/2010 23:42 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Keith]
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Registered: 26/05/2007
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Originally Posted By: Keith
Did anyone see Kerry O'Brien's interview with Tony Abbott last night?

Yes,I did watch it. It must of been a full moon last night.
Very backward.

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#877808 - 19/08/2010 09:31 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Cheers]
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Registered: 29/06/2008
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So after watching the leader forums last night I stunned to learn that according to Tony Abbott the Global Financial Crisis only ran for 8 weeks. Wow, could have fooled the rest of the world. But then New Zealand didn't go into recession either. I am convinced this guy cheated to gain a bachelor of economics.

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#877822 - 19/08/2010 10:14 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: ColdFront]
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If there were a position advertised in the paper for the role of the Prime minister, what would the qualifications be? Personally and professionally?

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#877853 - 19/08/2010 13:16 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: adam17]
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I think the answer would be similar to the conundrum of who the wisest man is: he who claims he isn't.

You'd probably have to choose the person who showed the least attraction toward the gig and go from there!


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#877859 - 19/08/2010 14:24 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: bigwilly]
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Registered: 19/08/2004
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In my ideal parlimentary system would ban political parties and ALL MPs and senators would be independant. Then everyone would have true representation of their area and the stupid crap that goes on in election campaigns would be far more subdued. We should be a republic and the president would be directly elected by the people and the president would appoint a leader of the house of reps. The house of reps would then appoint ministers for all of the departments. Because all political parties would be banned, all elected reps would actually be in government so your local rep would always be part of a government. All MPs would be allowed and encouraged to introduce legislation for debate and voting.

I know for a fact that I would much prefer to vote in a person who would have a direct impact on the running of the country EVERY time they are elected. I also think that we would also have a better representation of the true thinking of the country being put forward and parliment reflecting our beliefs and concerns. ATM unless your local MP happens to be a senior member of the government or oppostion, they basically make up numbers for the thinking of a select few. This is not true representation of the people but mearly the selection of somebody who most closely matches your views. The person who is voted to represent you may not agree at all with the line his/her party is taking but unless they have the guts to cross the floor(most likley ruining their potential rise to the top of their party). They mearly make up the numbers. Independants my nature more closely represent their constituants as they can vote for or against what they like/dislike without fear of offending a party elite.

The worst case scenerio is what could happen in this election. A minor interest party having the balance of power. IMO these are the greens and they would be devistating for our country. They are anti everything that Australia does and if they were to have actual power, our mining, farming and god knows what else would be in big trouble. They are not true environmentalists but infact socialists in disguise using people's concern for the environment as a back door into power. They are for govenment interference and regulation in every part of your life and for the restriction of freedom even further than now. Voters beware! Read their policies in detail before potentially voting for them!

So I encourage people to vote independant. IMO the more of them the better. I have voted for the Shooters and fishers party in the senate as they are the most anti green party. I also am a shooter and a fisher and the greens want to ban both fishing and shooting. So if you like to do either DO NOT vote for anyone who could result in the greens holding a balance of power.


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#877873 - 19/08/2010 16:05 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: adon]
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It is interesting that you say that BW! I never was a fan of Abbott – my view of him was not much better than that of CF. LOL. And I thought Turnbull was a very smart operator – but was a self centred prima donna… And I had lots of respect for Hockey - he’s my local member, and little things, like playing Santa Claus (relatively anonymously) at the local community Xmas party encouraged this.

To drag the story out a bit more: as most here could guess – I’m a fiscal conservative, and the only reason that I started to participate in these forums was to learn about the weather and climate – to convince myself one way or another whether AGW / CC was a problem that demanded the drastic solution that Cap and Trade is… And whilst I will happily admit that the globe has warmed, and even that man is partly to blame for this, CO2 is in my opinion only a minor contributor to this. So when the vote to pass the CPRS was coming up in the Senate – I was one of many thousands (and hundreds of thousands at that) of voters who lobbied the Liberal senators and local representatives not to pass the bill.

Now, Abbott was one of the few Liberals with the guts to take a stance that was demanded by the rank and file [URL=http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/tony-abbott-resigns-from-liberal-front-bench-over-ets-stance/story-e6frg12c-1225804259933] on this issue – and it was only to delay the vote post Hopenhagen... It was not a leadership issue for him personally – which he did not want as he was more than ready to let Hockey have it. But when Hockey wussed out with suggesting conscience votes and such crap, he put himself up as the only principled contender. And the outcome to not support the CPRS will ultimately be one of the best things that has happened to Australia – it was truly a bad policy and [sarc] just see what a huge issue it is this election! [/sarc].

So whilst my opinion of Malcolm has not changed – though he does have a bit my respect as he has also an unwavering and (to him) principled stance on the CPRS, I now think Hockey is a lightweight blowing in the breeze and it is Abbott that now I think is true. And the more I know and read about him… the more this view of him is reinforced. He has convictions, principles and you know exactly where you stand with him. And this in such contrast with most of the other politicians of all persuasions.

(By the way CF, you said he has “shifty eyes” or such – I have been thinking about this. I reckon that he can not tell a lie with a straight face… Think about it).
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#877876 - 19/08/2010 16:14 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
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"In my ideal parlimentary system would ban political parties and ALL MPs and senators would be independant."

All you really need to do is to ensure that all members of Parliament can vote independently on day to day issues - but you will still need parties to ensure that confidence is maintained in the leadership, and to ensure passage of critical bills like budgets and supply.

And then if this is so and your member votes against something you support or vice - versa... then at next election you vote for someone who will vote for your interest!

Simple.
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#877922 - 19/08/2010 20:45 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Arnost]
!SCHUMMY! Offline
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Registered: 22/04/2008
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Loc: Jimboomba, SEQ
hey everyone i am just wondering if this Labor/Greens policy is true or not, that they are going to ban all recreational fishing in Australia?? I heard it from a few friends today but it is very hard to believe but if its true I know who I'm voting for................LIBERAL....i love fishing!

here is the document that i got shown:

Quote:
MARINE PARKS
I apologise for adding this to the report, but it is so important for the future of fishing. If you want to stop the introduction of Marine Parks that discriminate against recreational anglers across the country, then you have the power.

It is this simple. If you vote for the Greens or labor, fishing as we know it may be lost forever. The Liberal party has put their hand up and backed both recreational and professional fishers. Anglers are not against marine parks, if they are implemented with real science for a positive outcome.

The Greens want recreational fishing GONE. I have waded through the countless press releases and this is the conclusion I have come up with.

A vote for Greens and Labor is a vote against recreational fishing.

NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I THINK I WOULD EVER MAKE A POLITICAL STATEMENT IN ANY MEDIUM, LET ALONE THIS REPORT. I am not telling you how to vote, just informing you of what implications your actions may have.

I am sorry to all the people I have just offended, but at the end of the day the future of fishing is far more important than whether or not you like me.

- Paul Worsteling

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#877926 - 19/08/2010 20:52 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
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Registered: 26/05/2007
Posts: 1117
Loc: sevenhills nsw
I'm a fisho & he(Paul Worsteling) is talking CRAP.

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#877928 - 19/08/2010 21:01 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Cheers]
!SCHUMMY! Offline
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Registered: 22/04/2008
Posts: 2915
Loc: Jimboomba, SEQ
talking crap as in dont vote for them or
talking crap as in not true?

i still havent decided who im voting for either


Edited by !SCHUMMY! (19/08/2010 21:01)

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#877929 - 19/08/2010 21:03 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
lookin Offline
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Registered: 19/01/2008
Posts: 292
Loc: tweed heads
crap as in its crap.load of rubbish.as if rec fishing will be stopped.scare mongering for there own interests is all

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#877936 - 19/08/2010 21:08 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: lookin]
!SCHUMMY! Offline
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Registered: 22/04/2008
Posts: 2915
Loc: Jimboomba, SEQ
ok good glad to know its crap, i couldnt live without fishing, from your past experiences with each party who will be the best to vote for and why? i need help deciding as this is my first election

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#877945 - 19/08/2010 22:07 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
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Dredging up the broadband issue, both governments are touting this speed and that speed for their national broadband schemes, but what's the point if you don't have the bandwidth to match? Those stuck on Bigpond wireless, like myself, get a max of 10Gb, so incredible speeds are not really going to make a big difference, when it all runs out quicker. frown
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#877972 - 19/08/2010 23:55 Re: Australian Federal Election 2010 [Re: Helen]
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Loc: tweed heads
Abbott now planning to cut one billion from pharmacutical benefits scheme. it begins already, just wait and see what happens if the goose actually gets the golden egg.

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