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#910988 - 17/12/2010 22:50 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: nocturnal1]
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Bunnings in Spence Street Cairns have about 10 pre-prepared "Cyclone Emerngeny Kit" trolleys ready for service as Xmas gifts for $79, and includes a battery drill. Bloody wonderful.

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#930457 - 16/01/2011 19:07 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Gomo]
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The most amazing thing i found when core punching into the eye of severe tropical cyclone ului and being in the eye.....was the insane humidity and heat inside the eye.
The tempreture in the hour we were in the eye increased 2-3C with humidity levels over 95%. The heat index was well above thirty degrees, and this was at 2am !!!!!

Since ULUI packed most of its punch into its SW quadrant, due to its quick organisation and fast forward movement, the other half of the cyclone after the eye was not that bad.
We recorded a gust of 144 kilomtres a hour about one hour before we went into the bad stuff near the eye wall. So we assumed that we would have got gusts within the 155-170 kilometre a hour mark. HOWEVER on the other side of the cyclone we probably only had a top estimated wind gust of only 90-100kmhr. Yes its still damaging, but nothing compared to the very destructive core.

I always had wondered how fast the wind speed picks up in the otherside of the eye wall. I was astonished at how fast it actually does ! In 5 minutes it went from DEAD calm wind gusts, to gusting to 75 kilometres a hour....IN FIVE minutes....

Imagine if this cyclone actually packed a punch on the eastern side. I now see how people can get caught out and be injured, or worse killed in tropical cyclones. If this system was a category 5, we could have gotten hit by 200kmhr winds on the return side in less than 10 minutes. Thats not good news if your stuck outside, or in a spot of trouble.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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#930535 - 16/01/2011 23:08 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Dawgggg]
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hey Trav been through a few cyclones and agree that the eye is deceiving... but for me the most intriging part of a cyclone and the thing that newcomers to FNQ need to understand. I have stood in my backyard and listened to the birds chirping loudly and the frogs singing straight after the wind has died down then all of a sudden all goes quiet and then you hear what I describe as the sound of a freight train roaring towards you... this is the otherside approaching. What people must realise is that the calm of the eye can last from a few minutes to much longer depending on the severity of the cyclone and stay inside until all danger has passed

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#930555 - 16/01/2011 23:40 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: higgo]
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WWW fantastic informative write up..thankyou. I've been through a few cyclones and agree each one is different. People get too complacent sometimes and thats when the bad stuff happens. I was shocked when cyclone Ului was heading for us and people kept saying 'it wont happen' Mackay never gets hit. But I still went into survival mode and did my usual preparation ...glad I did. Also amazed with the number of ramshackle houses in Mackay that there are no cyclone shelters !!! I've only been in the Mac for 5 years...but wow no cyclones shelters???? What the....???? Also the tv warnings were out of date and totally useless...thats when I joined this group. I'm fairly used to having good comms during the warning period, maybe the powers that be need to study Darwins cyclone response plan .
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#930556 - 16/01/2011 23:46 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: windblown]
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Apart from the radio broadcast alarm sound, I found the scariest thing was the stuff hitting the roof and wondering if anything was going to break off. We had 1 window that was a bit dodge and it was flapping about in the wind and I kept thinking that it was gonna fly away (luckily it didn't).

It got extremely hot inside the eye wall, I couldn't believe how calm it was. When people said it was calm I had images of light breeze and rain. But there is nothing, no birds, no animal or wildlife movement of any kind. Just dead silence. Then comes the breeze, you hear a gushing noise then the tree outside moves a bit and you think "Ah, maybe its not as strong this side.." Then Wooosh!

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#932902 - 20/01/2011 21:32 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Wet Wet Wet]
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I think there is an extra category that are in a category all of their own, which a fortunately so rare they may only impact the coastline only once or twice in a lifetime. That is the "sub 900 cyclone". That would be our worst nightmare if one of those monsters scored a direct hit on Cairns. I just trust Australia has an emergency response and management plan in place no matter how unlikely such a scenario is.
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#932963 - 20/01/2011 23:44 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Rocky Raccoon]
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could you explain what a "sub 900 cyclone" is? i cant find anything about it on the net?
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#932964 - 20/01/2011 23:46 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
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I would assume that a sub 900 cyclone is a cyclone air pressure below 900hpa.
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#932965 - 20/01/2011 23:48 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Squeako da Magnifico.]
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well duh!! how stupid of me!! haha poke

thanks squeak! smile

and lets not talk about a "sub 900 cyclone", that would be a disaster anywhere along the entire QLD/WA/NT coastline....


Edited by !SCHUMMY! (20/01/2011 23:56)
Edit Reason: more info as usual
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#932971 - 21/01/2011 00:07 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: !SCHUMMY!]
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I have a question in regards to this quote from WWW

"Generally, most Qld cyclones have gales (winds above 63km/h) extending about 200km from the centre of the cyclone. In 1974, gales from Cyclone Tracy (arguably Australiaís most significant cyclone from the last 100 years) only extended 50km from the eye. On the other end of the scale, at one stage Cyclone Justin (1997) had gale force winds extended more than 700km from the centre of the cyclone."

The distance your referring to is that down the coastline or inland as well. Emerald is roughly 300klms to the east of Rockhampton so if a cyclone was to hit Rocky with Gale winds that spanned about 300klms would they be felt in Emerald as well. Just curious if the same thing happens over the inland geography as the coastline.

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#932998 - 21/01/2011 06:25 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: DeniseEm]
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Hey Denise,

Generally that more so applies to cyclones that are over open water which arenít affected by the friction of land. Also, the radius that gales extend from the centre of a cyclone will also vary in each quadrant. Typically on the east coast gales will always extend further from the eye on the southern side of the cyclone due to a tighter pressure gradient between the cyclone and a high pressure system to its south.

However more to the point, if a Severe cyclone made landfall at Rockhampton, Emerald would certainly cop gale force winds. Although as the cyclone moved inland and weakened, the impact would not be as severe compared to areas on the coastline that endured its full force. For example, if a category 5 cyclone made landfall between Mackay and Rocky, I would suspect the worst case scenario for Emerald would be maximum winds in the category 3 range (i.e. up to 165km/h).

And yes places like Emerald have suffered damage as a result of cyclones in the past. In 1918 the 'Mackay' Cyclone (A very large cyclone) reportedly uprooted thousands of trees and caused structural damaged out at Clermont. It also resulted in Rockhamptonís highest flood on record which still stands today - nearly 100 years later.

Also, in 1976 Cyclone David (another very large cyclone) made landfall near St Lawrence. And although I havenít come across any info relating to damaged caused at Emerald, I can assure you wind gusts there would have exceeded 100km/h.

Anyway, whatís of concern here is that both of these very large and intense cyclones I just mentioned occurred during strong La NiŮa seasons. And if you didnít know already, we are currently in the middle of another of those strong La NiŮa seasons........
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#933009 - 21/01/2011 07:32 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Wet Wet Wet]
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Thanks for the very detailed response WWW with the way this season has been so far anything is possible and its good info to have on hand.

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#933569 - 22/01/2011 00:33 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: DeniseEm]
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I have been searching the net for evidence of the Australian coast being hit by a sub 900 and the most likely candidate was cyclone Mahina way back in 1899 at Bathurst Bay which probably did go sub 900. Even Cyclone Monica did not go sub 900. The most recent in our region was Cyclone Zoe which impacted Vanuatu which did in fact go down to 890 and the deadliest of them all worldwide was Typhoon Tip which was not only sub 900 at 870 but was simply huge. So massive that if storm like that were to impact Queensland it would be beyond thinking about, and I should assume if it passed between Townsville and Cairns then both those cities would be obliterated on top of the unprecedented disastrous flooding it would cause as it moved inland. Sub 900 Cyclones! we don't want you here.
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#935116 - 23/01/2011 23:55 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Rocky Raccoon]
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Just did a recull of my lists for cyclones and not having anywhere better to stick this decided that maybe it should be in here.
Criteria for selection was cyclones to have either directly impacted or had a impact causing death or damage to an area from Noosa to Tweed Heads.
So anyway here they are:

Sunshine Coast to NSW Border Cyclones since 1864

1) 17 - 19 March, 1864. The first recorded in Queensland. Gales in Brisbane. Damage to stores, houses, signs trees and gardens blown away. Stone jetty at Cleveland washed away. Wind and rain damage at Toowoomba and Gladstone.
2) 26 - 28 April, 1867. Southeast Queensland flooded. Wharves covered in Brisbane. Brisbane, Logan and Ipswich suffer structural and tree damage. Bridge at Ipswich destroyed.
3) 11 March, 1890. Tropical cyclone hits Brisbane. River floods - 360mm in 24 hours.
4) 2 January, 1892. Brisbane suffers damage.
5) 2 April 1892. Brisbane damaged.
6) 21 January, 1893. Brisbane homes and trees blown down.
1. 11 February, 1893. Small cyclone crosses near Bustard Heads causing further flooding in Brisbane.
7) 19 February, 1894. Tropical cyclones crosses east of Brisbane.
8) 2 April, 1927. Severe cyclone east of Gold Coast. Highest recorded tides cause disruption to shipping.
9) 14 February, 1928. Brisbane hit causing serious flooding with 5 people drowned.
10) 1 February, 1934. This particular cyclone travelled from the Gulf to northern NSW causing widespread damage and flooding. There was a 1.16 metre storm surge recorded as the largest on record on the Moreton Bay tide gauge.
11) 22 March, 1936. Seawards of Fraser Island
12) 4 April, 1946. East of Fraser Island causing flooding.
13) 23 January, 1947. Cyclone crossed near Caloundra with heavy gales and high seas. Flooding. 2 dead.
14) 10 February, 1947. Tropical cyclone crossed at Broad sound causing damage to infrastructure and some lives were lost.
15) 28 January, 1948. Cyclone passes east of Brisbane with wind gusts up to 96 knots at Lord Howe Island.
16) 24 March, 1948. Structural damage and erosion as cyclone passes over Fraser Island.
17) 16-19 January, 1950. Tracked from the Gulf to Sydney. 7 lives lost in NSW. 2 metre waves in Moreton Bay with houses evacuated at Sandgate.
18) 27-28 February, 1950. Crossed over Gladstone to Hervey Bay. Floods down to Brisbane.
19) 16 November, 1950. Tropical low crosses near Brisbane causing structural damage and one death.
20) 25-30 January, 1951. Cyclone moves around Fraser Island. Extensive damage to boats and buildings with one life lost at Caloundra.
21) 20 February, 1954. Cyclone crosses at Coolangatta. Widespread structural damage from Sunshine Coast to Gold Coast. Boats left in treetops at Beachmere. Waves at Kirra put 2 metres of water on the highway picking up cars. 900 mm rainfall recorded in 24 hours. 26 people dead.
22) 24 April, 1963. Cyclone stayed offshore but caused huge waves and erosion on south coast.
23) 28-30 January, 1967. CYCLONE DINAH. Severe damage at Heron Island then causing more destruction from Rockhampton to Grafton, NSW. Water knee deep in Hastings Street, Noosa from storm surge.
24) 22 February, 1967. CYCLONE BARBARA. Wind damage from Coolangatta. Crossed at Lismore, NSW.
25) 18 March, 1967. CYCLONE ELAINE. Moved past the south coast causing flooding at Logan and Brisbane with considerable beach erosion in other areas.
26) 2-4 April, 1967. CYCLONE GLENDA. Off shore of Brisbane. 16 metre waves near Gold Coast. 6 dead.
27) 17 February, 1971. CYCLONE DORA. Crossed the coast north of Brisbane at Redcliffe. Widespread structural damage with some flooding.
28) 11 February, 1972. CYCLONE DAISY. Hit Fraser Island. Over 200 homes damaged at Pialba and other areas. Severe flooding to the Gold Coast where a peak swell height was recorded at 8.3 metres.
29) 24 January, 1974. CYCLONE WANDA. Over the coast near Maryborough, it then caused significant flooding in Brisbane where 6007 homes were flooded. 13 people drowned and others died from heart attacks. The cost was $200 million (at 1974 value).
30) 6 February, 1974. CYCLONE PAM. Intense cyclone passed 500km to the east of Brisbane. Severe flooding and evacuation at Palm Beach
31) March, 1974. CYCLONE ZOE. Crossed the coast at Coolangatta then went back to sea. Floods in Brisbane with evacuations at Murwillumbah and Lismore, NSW.
32) 4 March, 1976. CYCLONE COLIN. Generated huge waves along south Queensland beaches after moving south from Fraser Island to southern NSW where waves were recorded off Sydney Heads at 12 metres in height. Several launches were sunk or destroyed when 2 metre waves entered Botany Bay.
33) 5-6 March, 1976. CYCLONE DAWN. Crossed at Fraser Island causing some damage and coastal flooding.
34) 24 February, 1980. CYCLONE SIMON. Passed near Fraser Island with wind gusts over 100 knots. Structural damage at Hervey Bay. Wave peaks recorded at 8.9 metres. (my first cyclone)
35) 15 February, 1981. CYCLONE CLIFF. Crossed over Fraser Island to Bundaberg. Flooding to Gold Coast (my second cyclone)
36) 3 February, 1990. CYCLONE NANCY. Crossed near Byron Bay in NSW. 73 knot winds recorded near Brisbane. Flash flooding in Queensland and NSW caused 4 deaths and costs reached $36 million.
37) 13 January, 1992. CYCLONE BETSY. Passed seaward of Fraser Island. Caused beach erosion.
38) 17 March, 1993. CYCLONE ROGER. Passed close to Fraser Island before moving back to sea and south towards NSW. Sunshine Coast sustained damage while winds and seas closed the Port of Brisbane. Brisbane station recorded waves at 13.2 meters.
39) 20 January, 1994. CYCLONE REWA. Stayed 100km off the coast but caused flash flooding around Brisbane which resulted in 4 deaths.
40) 26 March, 1998. CYCLONE YALI. Passed seawards off Brisbane heading south. Wind gusts of 54 knots and peak wave height recorded at 11.5 metres. Beach erosion from Sunshine Coast to Northern NSW.
41) BENI 2 - 5 February 2003. Beni caused floods from Rockhampton to the Gold Coast causing $10M worth of damage to public infrastructure. Waves were recorded to 8.5metres.
42) Hybrid Cyclone 5 March 2004. Waves to 14.2metres recorded off Stradbroke Island. Severe flooding from Sunshine Coast through Brisbane to Gold Coast.


Edited by Sir BoabTree (23/01/2011 23:57)
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#935161 - 24/01/2011 00:58 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: SBT]
Merilyn Offline
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What is a hybrid cyclone? I know there are tropical lows and lows which are not tropical, but I am new to this forum and haven't heard of a hybrid one.
42) Hybrid Cyclone 5 March 2004. Waves to 14.2metres recorded off Stradbroke Island. Severe flooding from Sunshine Coast through Brisbane to Gold Coast.

Looking at the BOM site for the Hybrid Cyclone (18) it followed a path which could be similar to the current Cyclone Anthony.

Bunnings in Townsville have cyclone kits near the checkouts too. A great idea.

My son wants to know where is Cyclone Anthony liable to go to? It currently looks like it is heading to New Zealand, but there is an increased curve south east in the latest BOM bulletin. One thing I have learnt about cyclones is they can pretty much go anywhere, like standstill and then change direction.

The stars in Townsville are beautiful tonight; as someone in Mingela said today, the cyclone has swept up all our bad weather.

Whoever said Townsville weather was - boring? We have quiet interludes in otherwise threatening cyclonic weather - this is not boredom! - just letting us have a quiet nap and until the next event. As part of the overall scene up here, we have crocodiles in all estuarine streams including those in the city, deadly box jelly fish and irukandji jellyfish whose broken tentacles in the swimming enclosures can still cause grief, in addition to sharks and dengue fever.

Cyclone Ului was the last major cyclonic event which came close to Townsville in Mar 2010 - it was category 5 for quite a while until it crossed the coast near Airlie Beach (3 hrs drive south) as a 3 or 2. Everyone who saw Larry in 2006 was worried about what another 5 would do. If the big cyclones hit a larger city with tall buildings, there would be terrible damage. It beats me why the councils allow 20 storey buildings in Tropical Australia.
Tropical weather always has the potential to heat up!
I well remember the frequent summer Brisbane thunderstorms and hail storms which strike just as everyone is trying to get home from work and school are not as frequent up here on the whole, but lately we are having thunderstorms a couple of times a week too.
When we lived in Mount Gravatt in the 1980s-1990s, we got a new corrugated iron roof because we were worried we might lose our old fibro roof in a storm. The old roof had holes the size of cricket balls which had been plugged with tar the roofer said. He was amazed. Over years, the tar had hardened, shrunk and then leaked with every storm. As a child, I lived next door and remembered a really bad hailstorm in mid 1960's where hail stones that size caused a lot of broken windows and holes in roofs of our neighbour's houses.

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#935554 - 24/01/2011 22:13 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Wet Wet Wet]
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There is a link I found here concerning "hybrid cyclones"





Edited by Rocky Raccoon (24/01/2011 22:14)
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#938814 - 27/01/2011 21:41 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: DeniseEm]
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Originally Posted By: DeniseEm
I have a question in regards to this quote from WWW

"Generally, most Qld cyclones have gales (winds above 63km/h) extending about 200km from the centre of the cyclone. In 1974, gales from Cyclone Tracy (arguably Australia’s most significant cyclone from the last 100 years) only extended 50km from the eye. On the other end of the scale, at one stage Cyclone Justin (1997) had gale force winds extended more than 700km from the centre of the cyclone."

The distance your referring to is that down the coastline or inland as well. Emerald is roughly 300klms to the east of Rockhampton so if a cyclone was to hit Rocky with Gale winds that spanned about 300klms would they be felt in Emerald as well. Just curious if the same thing happens over the inland geography as the coastline.


Mmmmm, we are as ready as we'll ever be, almost.... but I must admit I have had the thought that, if a big cyclone did cross here , that I would do a 'runner' inland/west, in the car,
( with 2 dogs !), my other half says he would stay here...but ,after reading so much here, i think it's probably better to stay, well prepared, in your own home. I have never been through one and I don't want to , I can only imagine, the noise, frightened dogs, etc, what do people do with their dogs ? bring them into the house for safety yeah ? I reckon a small tranq would help them too, must ring vet !!!!!.
All very interesting, thanks all for advise and info.
Barb :-)
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#939974 - 28/01/2011 18:59 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Astra]
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Keep up the good work guys and admin - for people like me that cant really read a weather map - its great for the expert interpretation. Quick question- I am in Cairns and when Cyclone Larry hit Innisfail. My pool water moved like a swell in an ocean. Freakiest thing I have seen. Is this from pressure?

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#940012 - 28/01/2011 19:19 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: Frangipani Fran]
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Astra>>> I have a Labrador, he doesnt mind the cyclones much so long as he is next to me...A few days before , instead of sleeping he prowls around the yard and gets restless. Then he wont leave my side. He's pretty good really, I've always taught him not to fear thunder or rain. But during a cyclone he is like my second shadow. So I always prepare by cooking up some nice munchies for him that he can have during the cyclone, I suppose dogs need comfort food too.

I'm not one who follows the ways of the animals that much during storms etc...but I do believe in the behaviour of BOB my dog.

So long as you have the dogs with you and 'act ' like its normal to have blasting howling wind around...then they will be fine..just have a very good lead for them and something dry for them to lie on.
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#941703 - 29/01/2011 20:02 Re: Cyclone Information/Advice [Re: windblown]
Astra Offline
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Originally Posted By: windblown
Astra>>> I have a Labrador, he doesnt mind the cyclones much so long as he is next to me...A few days before , instead of sleeping he prowls around the yard and gets restless. Then he wont leave my side. He's pretty good really, I've always taught him not to fear thunder or rain. But during a cyclone he is like my second shadow. So I always prepare by cooking up some nice munchies for him that he can have during the cyclone, I suppose dogs need comfort food too.

I'm not one who follows the ways of the animals that much during storms etc...but I do believe in the behaviour of BOB my dog.

So long as you have the dogs with you and 'act ' like its normal to have blasting howling wind around...then they will be fine..just have a very good lead for them and something dry for them to lie on.

Thanks for that Windblown, They will be inside the house with me if needed, I dont care if we all have to get under a bed to be safe, beagles are cuddly right !!!! 1 of them is storm wary, the other not too bad. I can get jittery, but as you say ,you need to be calm so they feel safe, (bit like when my kids were little , they are big now and in Sydney !) So , harness leads, tasty treats ,good idea, its not like they are going to be wanting to eat a proper dinner and it won't last forever , only feel like it !! Be safe, you and Bob ....
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