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#974340 - 14/03/2011 12:19 earthquakes are increasing what is the cause?
bd bucketingdown Offline
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earthquakes are increasing what is the cause?
Is it CO2 increase, solar effects, lunar effects, orbital effects, global warming and ice artic cap melting, volcanic activity, polar reversal, extreme weather, man made explosions and mining, magnetic effects, human atmospheric-ionospheric experiments, the second coming-end of the world times, or something else?
And the larger ones are increasing more than the smaller quakes!
see magnitude 6 or more
http://research.dlindquist.com/quake/historical/?mag=6&type=num&freq=year&style=raw
see magnitude 3 or more
http://research.dlindquist.com/quake/historical/?mag=3&type=num&freq=year&style=raw
plus http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/13772.asp
plus http://www.earth.webecs.co.uk/
This new thread should get a few folks posting!


Edited by Bucketing Down(BD) (14/03/2011 12:27)

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#974344 - 14/03/2011 12:34 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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also see: total strength of quakes equal or greater than 7 plotted on graph!
http://research.dlindquist.com/quake/historical/?mag=7&type=strength&freq=year&style=raw

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#974347 - 14/03/2011 12:47 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Just happened to see Ken Ring makes his points here on the matter...take them on board or leave them, your choice, but all interesting anyway!
http://www.suite101.com/content/moon-at-maximum-traction-during-latest-earthquake-clusters-a358333

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#974353 - 14/03/2011 13:06 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Hi Bucketing Down.

Thanks for the link to Ken "Climate Scientist" Rings nonsense. He is always good for a laugh. Even the description of him as a "Climate Scientist" is hilarious, as is his claim in that article "As a result of the Earth’s fragile magnetic field, the charged particles may be responsible for all forms of extreme weather, including earthquakes and volcanoes". What a crock of nonsense. Earthquakes and volcanoes are not weather related phenomena. This bloke cracks me up!!!

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#974363 - 14/03/2011 13:24 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Dustydevil]
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I'll have a stab at this... Could it simply be that our means of measuring seismic activity has improved over the decades so that more of these events are recorded?

Just a thought...
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#974368 - 14/03/2011 13:34 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: SGB]
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True earlier on SGB but I don't think that the last 15 years to 20 years of data, especially for higher magnitude 6 or 7 or more earthquakes would be affected as there were/are good recording instruments that would detect those for quite a few decades back.

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#974372 - 14/03/2011 13:42 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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How about this BD
The deepest drill hole ever made on the earth was completed in 60 days in 2011 and already a phenomenal amount of gas & oil has been extracted from it.
Since startup, the Sakhalin-1 project has produced approximately 300 million barrels (39 million tons) of oil for export to world markets. It also has been a supplier of approximately 235 bcf (6.8 bcm) of associated natural gas to customers in Khabarovsk Krai, in far eastern Russia, to heat homes and meet growing energy needs. The project will continue to help meet future natural gas demand in this region.
I googled the location: Sakhalin Island...it is the island due north of Japan on the same fault line.
http://www.researchviews.com/energy/oil-...nd%20Production


Edited by Island viewer (14/03/2011 13:42)
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#974376 - 14/03/2011 13:46 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Island viewer]
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That's where there was a spectacular volcanic eruption a year or two back, I think.

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#974381 - 14/03/2011 14:00 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Keith]
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Interesting IV & K.

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#974387 - 14/03/2011 14:10 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Island viewer]
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Originally Posted By: Island viewer
How about this BD
The deepest drill hole ever made on the earth was completed in 60 days in 2011 and already a phenomenal amount of gas & oil has been extracted from it.
Since startup, the Sakhalin-1 project has produced approximately 300 million barrels (39 million tons) of oil for export to world markets. It also has been a supplier of approximately 235 bcf (6.8 bcm) of associated natural gas to customers in Khabarovsk Krai, in far eastern Russia, to heat homes and meet growing energy needs.



The well you refer to has been drilled mostly horizontally to reach the reservoir which is at a depth of around 2,600 metre. Because the area has severe winters with the sea freezing for 4 months of the year, they are drilling from land out sideways to the reservoir which is under the sea bed.

To quote from Wikipedia "The Odoptu OP-11 Well reached a measured total depth of 12,345 metres (40,502 ft) and a horizontal displacement of 11,475 metres (37,648 ft)". Depth in the petroleum industry refers to the distance from well head to end of drill hole, not to the vertical depth.


Quite apart from the shallow depth of the Sakhalin field being well above any depth that could relate to major earthquakes, it is situated on a different plate boundary to the Japan earthquake.

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#974393 - 14/03/2011 14:21 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Keith]
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On the Kamchatka Peninsula, Keith, a very active volcanic area and on the tectonic plate junction fault line.
Still a fair way from Sakhalin but still Russian Territory around the Sea of Okhotsk which was the hang out spot for Russian nuclear missile subs during the cold war, operating out of the big Magadan naval base.
Ask a couple of old Oberon sub crew members what that area was like as the Oberons use to do a lot of the American's espionage work at times and possibly even as far as into that area as the US nuclear powered subs were too noisy to operate in that Russian dominated area.

Smithsonian Global Volcanism Program

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#974395 - 14/03/2011 14:26 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Dustydevil]
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Originally Posted By: Dustydevil
What a crock of nonsense. Earthquakes and volcanoes are not weather related phenomena. This bloke cracks me up!!!


Well it’s not a nonsense theory to believe the moon morphs the molten magma currents underneath earth’s crust, imposing on fragile areas of fault line. ..

There exists a genuine amount of research proposing a link between the both.

I think it is naive to rule it out, as its beginning to replicate the flat-earth concept or the 100 years where climate change was being dismissed as fanciful.

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#974404 - 14/03/2011 14:39 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Kevin QLD]
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Take your pick of the two opinions!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0523_050523_moonquake.html
"The same force that raises the 'tides' in the ocean also raises tides in the [Earth's]crust," said Geoff Chester, an astronomer and public affairs officer with the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

Chester said the tides in the Earth's crust are subtle—on the order of a few centimeters, as opposed to the several-meter ocean tides.

"We live on the crust, so we don't really notice the deviation from what would be sort of the normal form of the geoid," he said. "So the effect is small but nonetheless there."

(The geoid is an imaginary outline that coincides with the mean sea level in the ocean and its extension through the continents.)

In theory, this slight deformation of the Earth's crust could be sufficient to trigger an earthquake—like the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

"Most earthquakes occur on preexisting tectonic lines, and the vast majority do occur as a result of geophysical processes, but there may be some correlation [between the moon] and earthquakes," Chester said.

For example, he said that in general there is a higher incidence of earthquake activity in the Northern Hemisphere when the moon is north of the Equator and an increase in earthquake activity in the Southern Hemisphere when the moon is south of the Equator.

The moon's orbit is inclined in relation to the Earth, causing the moon's position in the sky to nod north and south on an 18.6-year cycle.

Is the observed correlation between the moon's position in its 18.6-year cycle (or any other lunar phase) and earthquake activity a coincidence or something more? That question, Chester said, is best answered by the U.S. Geological Survey.

"There's no evidence to support that," said John Bellini, a geophysicist with the survey's National Earthquake Information Center in Golden, Colorado. "There were some studies in the past that tried to link lunar effects to seismicity [the relative frequency and distribution of earthquakes] and there was nothing found." ......................

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#974405 - 14/03/2011 14:41 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Non-event to mark gathering against Moon Man fears
Home » News » National
Mon, 14 Mar 2011
News: National | Christchurch Earthquake
A non-event has been planned in Christchurch in a bid to "quell unfounded fears" raised by earthquake and weather forecaster Ken Ring, who has predicted a large tremor in the city next Sunday.

The Moon Man Non-Event Lunch will be held on the Port Hills at the Sign of the Kiwi tearooms to defy his claims.

Members of the New Zealand Skeptics, geologists, earthquake engineers, Environment Minister Nick Smith and broacaster Sean Plunket will gather for the lunch.

Skeptics spokeswoman Vicki Hyde told The Press the lunch aimed to quell "unfounded fears".
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/151691/non-event-mark-gathering-against-moon-man-fears

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#974407 - 14/03/2011 14:43 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Even if the moon has some sort of effect on magma currents or a relationship to earthquakes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions ARE not weather related phenomena. Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are NOT meteorological phenomena.

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#974412 - 14/03/2011 14:55 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Dustydevil]
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Originally Posted By: Dustydevil
Even if the moon has some sort of effect on magma currents or a relationship to earthquakes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions ARE not weather related phenomena. Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are NOT meteorological phenomena.

I would say that is accurate.

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#974413 - 14/03/2011 14:56 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Dustydevil]
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That 'anti-Ring' thing will be a hate session, that's for sure. Funny how the media would rail against him but not the GW alarmists...maybe an orchestrated ploy? I don't know, though I understand the alarm that prediction causes. Let's not forget that scientific agencies in Japan are also predicting more tremors there.

I can accept that the moon's gravity could affect Earth's interior just as it affects sea tides. You only need to look at Jupiter's effect on Io (admittedly Jupiter's is ever so much bigger but the principle would be the same). However there are some more odd (to me) theories that say that filling dams with water causes geological issues. Such an assertion to me smacks more of politics than science.

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#974415 - 14/03/2011 15:00 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: Dustydevil]
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This thread has relationships with studies showing global warming related ice melts as a possible cause of earthquake increase, and some discussion re solar-moon climate change cycle related causes, and a "climate weather forecaster" making predictions, and volcanic-earthquake connections which strongly influence global temperature effects...re- dust etc in the atnmosphere and albedo effects. It is all inter-related and worth looking at in relation to weather and climate relationships, volcanic and earthquakes are also supposed to increase during low solar periods when temperatures cool, so well worth having a thread here imo.


Edited by Bucketing Down(BD) (14/03/2011 15:02)

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#974419 - 14/03/2011 15:22 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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http://environment.about.com/od/globalwarming/a/earthquakes.htm
Fire and Ice: Melting Glaciers Trigger Earthquakes, Tsunamis and Volcanos
Geologists Say Global Warming Expected to Cause Many New Seismic Events
By Larry West, About.com Guide
Climatologists have been raising alarms about global warming for years, and now geologists are getting into the act, warning that melting glaciers will lead to an increasing number of earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanic eruptions in unexpected places.
People in northern climates who have been looking south and shaking their heads sadly over the plight of people living in the path of Atlantic hurricanes and Pacific tsunamis had better get ready for a few seismic events of their own, according to a growing number of prominent geologists.

Less Glacial Pressure, More Earthquakes and Volcanic Eruptions
Ice is extremely heavy—weighing about one ton per cubic meter—and glaciers are massive sheets of ice. When they are intact, glaciers exert enormous pressure on the portion of the Earth’s surface they cover. When glaciers begin to melt—as they are doing now at an increasingly rapid rate due to global warming—that pressure is reduced and eventually released.

Geologists say releasing that pressure on the Earth’s surface will cause all sorts of geologic reactions, such as earthquakes, tsunamis (caused by undersea earthquakes) and volcanic eruptions.

"What happens is the weight of this thick ice puts a lot of stress on the earth," said Patrick Wu, a geologist at the University of Alberta in Canada, in an interview with the Canadian Press. "The weight sort of suppresses the earthquakes, but when you melt the ice the earthquakes get triggered."

Global Warming Accelerating Geologic Rebound
Wu offered the analogy of pressing a thumb against a soccer ball. When the thumb is removed and the pressure released, the ball resumes its original shape. When the “ball” is a planet, the rebound happens slowly, but just as surely.

Wu said many of the earthquakes that occur in Canada today are related to the ongoing rebound effect that started with the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago. But with global warming accelerating climate changes and causing glaciers to melt more quickly, Wu said the inevitable rebound is expected to happen much faster this time around.

New Seismic Events Already Happening
Wu said melting ice in Antarctica is already triggering earthquakes and underwater landslides. These events aren’t getting much attention, but they are early warnings of the more serious events that scientists believe are coming. According to Wu, global warming will create “lots of earthquakes.”

Professor Wu is not alone in his assessment.

Writing in New Scientist magazine, Bill McGuire, professor of geological hazards at University College in London, said: "All over the world evidence is stacking up that changes in global climate can and do affect the frequencies of earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and catastrophic sea-floor landslides. Not only has this happened several times throughout Earth's history, the evidence suggests it is happening again."

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#974424 - 14/03/2011 15:36 Re: earthquakes are increasing what is the cause? [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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It is one thing to have correlations between different phenomena for unknown reasons other than to demonstrate a correlation...it is quite another to have correlation with accurate predictive potential, which is what makes a scientific theory strong.

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