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#995848 - 17/06/2011 20:57 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Climategate: Can a Graph Tell a Lie?
Our fact-checker sorted through dozens of graphs and data sets to find the truth about rising temperatures in the wake of the Climategate scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZWQtjrgcqg&feature=related
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#995904 - 18/06/2011 09:41 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Loopy Radar]
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#996376 - 20/06/2011 22:42 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: _Johnno_]
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national...x-1226078505195

Much like the pro-smoking lobby in the 1980s. People must be desparate to threaten geeks!
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#996377 - 20/06/2011 22:43 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: _Johnno_]
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I wish this was true...
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#996378 - 20/06/2011 22:46 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Keith]
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Originally Posted By: Keith
I'd like to have heard Jones's interview with Karoly but I can't find it on the 2GB site.


Probably censured by Jones.... say no more.
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#996437 - 21/06/2011 06:58 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Stevo59]
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I've said this before and I'll say it again... What is the ideal temp on earth and how do you maintain it Stevo59???? If it gets to warm, stop fossil fuel burning, if it gets to cool, fire up the burners. Sounds to me that the natural climate change deniers think we have a huge heater at our disposal for us to control. Well the planet has a big heater called the sun and it does what it likes, just pray it doesn't go out.

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#996438 - 21/06/2011 07:35 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Stevo59]
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Originally Posted By: Stevo59
Originally Posted By: Keith
I'd like to have heard Jones's interview with Karoly but I can't find it on the 2GB site.


Probably censured by Jones.... say no more.


Steve, elsewhere in this thread I was directed to the site for that interview and I listened to it.

Say no more.

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#996461 - 21/06/2011 09:56 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Keith]
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http://joannenova.com.au/2011/06/death-t...useful-pr-tool/

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Indeed, the team that makes naked death threats publicly has always been the pro-carbon-tax fans. Think of Greenpeace “we know where you live...“. Think of 10:10, “we will blow up your children”. Joe Romm encourages the idea that skeptics will be strangled in their beds. A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers. Richard Glover, suggests forcibly tattooing skeptics opinions on their bodies’ (though wisely thinks maybe it’s a bit too Nazi creepy). Willis Eschenbach came up with a list of hate-related behavior. There is plenty to pick from.

So when the Canberra Times claims skeptics have been threatening climate scientists, I am, not surprisingly… skeptical.

It’s possible that some aggrieved skeptics have said something none-too-friendly, unwelcome, and unwise. If so, these may be “death threats” in the Tony-Windsor style of capital fear, where much hoo-haa was raised about strong statements like “…you’re not going to get voted in again. I hope you die, you bastard.” and “you’ll get yours”. Not that it helps any cause to reduce the arguments to something so rude or banal. It’s bullying.

Most oddly, there’s the point that scientists are moving to secret offices, getting private numbers and home security systems, but if the threats appeared to be of a serious nature why aren’t the Federal Police involved yet? As Simon points out at Climate Madness, it’s a very serious offense with a ten-year sentence. “The Australian Federal Police says it is aware of the issue, but there is no investigation underway.” [The ABC wrote that full line, but the SMH and Canberra Times decided to save their readers from seeing those last six words. What does it matter...]


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/na...r-1226071996499

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CLAIMS prominent climate change scientists had recently received death threats have been revealed as an opportunistic ploy, with the Australian National University admitting that they occurred up to five years ago.

Only two of ANU's climate change scientists allegedly received death threats, the first in a letter posted in 2006-2007 and the other an offhand remark made in person 12 months ago.

Neither was officially reported to ACT Police or Australian Federal Police, despite such crimes carrying a 10-year prison sentence.

The outdated threats raised question marks over the timing of their release to the public, with claims they were aired last week to draw sympathy to scientists and their climate change cause

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#996463 - 21/06/2011 09:58 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: mobihci]
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http://joannenova.com.au/2010/05/throwing-the-hate-crime-grenade/

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“Well, let’s review the bidding regarding “violence and hatred” …

James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity

Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors

Yvo de Boer of the UN called climate skepticism criminally irresponsible

David Suzuki called for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed

DeSmogBlog’s James Hoggan wants skeptics treated as war criminals (video)

Grist called for Nuremberg trials for skeptics

Joe Romm encourages the idea that skeptics will be strangled in their beds

A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers

Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified

Bernie Sanders compared climate skeptics to Nazi appeasers.

[Not to mention Greenpeace declaring that they know where you live...

and Clive Hamilton who tried to turn your children against you--JN]

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#997312 - 24/06/2011 20:01 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: mobihci]
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A True Inquiry Into Climate & Weather (1/2): A Hot Potato
http://itsrainmakingtime.com/2009/climate-part1/


This broadcast segment addresses the urgent need for verifiable facts about climate and weather that have been unable to make their way in a cohesive, understandable way to the public.

The first of two parts, this show features Ice Age Now founder Bob Felix, the author of Not by Fire, But By Ice and Magnetic Reversals & Evolutionary Leaps. Bob has spent considerable time researching climate, extinctions, magnetic reversals, and ice ages. His books present staggering evidence of global cooling that suggests an ice age could begin at any moment.
Joe D'Aleo

Joe D'Aleo

Meteorologist Joe D’Aleo and climatologist Dr. Tim Ball also join in to provide a broader perspective on climate change and explain what’s missing from the established climate dialogues. The information these men bring to bear will shake you to your very foundations!

A gross body of distortion and misinformation exists about the climate dangers we are truly facing. The truth is that very few of us understand climate or weather. Most of us have taken a blind faith approach to researching these subjects.
Dr. Tim Ball

Dr. Tim Ball

Unfortunately, this will be to the great detriment of all of humanity. In order to adequately prepare for coming changes, we need a different framework to quickly and properly understand weather and climate. Get ready to learn things you have never known before about weather, climate, and the business of climate change!
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#997962 - 28/06/2011 18:43 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Low Energy Nuclear Revolution (English Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRry6a3U0Cw&feature=share

A MUST SEE documentary on our coming global energy revolution based on the LENR technology of Andrea Rossi - the Energy Catalyzer
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#999654 - 06/07/2011 19:03 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Burt Rutan calls Anthropogenic Global Warming
(AGW) a Fraud
http://www.iceagenow.com/Burt_Rutan_calls_AGW_a_Fraud.htm

Who is Burt Rutan?

Burt Rutan was Time magazine's "100 most influential people in the world, 2004" and Inc. Magazine's "Entrepreneur of the Year." Newsweek called him "the man responsible for more innovations in modern aviation than any living engineer." (After this, Time may call him the greatest persona non grata of the year.)

Rutan has received hundreds of awards including: Presidential Citizen's Medal, Two Collier Trophies, Academy of Achievement Golden Plate and the Charles Lindbergh Award. He has developed 44 new aircraft types since 1972 including; Voyager (1986 RTW-non refueled), SpaceShipOne (2004 Funded by Paul Allen, winner of X-prize) and the first commercial spaceship - SpaceShipTwo (2009 Funded by Sir Richard Branson).

Something seriously wrong

1 Jan 10 - (Excerpts) - "Few significant products are driven to commercialism, validated by claims of the scientific community. Before investing in a new product, those committing funds almost always look to an Engineering Study or Engineering Design Review, rather than using only the claims of Scientists. This is not being done at all, with the AGW-planet crisis issue.

"One has only to look at the two most notable charts (below) from two United Nations IPCC summary reports, published a decade apart, to realize that something might be seriously wrong.

"The fact that the 2001 “hockey stick” chart was presented in color in several sections of the 2001 IPCC report, without explaining how the scientists managed to completely eliminate their earlier depiction of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age (both are well covered in historical documents as well as scientific analysis is unacceptable behavior. (http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/mwpp.php)

"Noting that the “hockey stick” chart was removed in later editions of the IPCC “scientific” reports supports the conclusion that something is indeed wrong. It was removed because an outside investigation was conducted that resembled a proper engineering review - with a finding of fraud.

"Specifically, the fraud was identified by showing that the critical data for the chart came from cherry picking just a handful of Siberian trees (tree ring proxy to estimate temperature), without evidence that the researcher applied the proper scientific method. Using all the data or any random selection of 10% of the tree ring data showed no significant correlation of planet warming to human CO2 emissions.

Fraud not limited to cherry picking

"The fraud was not limited to the tree cherry picking. The computer code for presentation had been tweaked such that a hockey stick shape is produced even if the data set is developed with a random number generator!

"The horrific result of this scandal was that the 2001 UN hockey stick chart formed the very foundation of a non-scientific theory that resulted in the awarding of a Nobel Peace Prize, a movie Oscar and a best-selling book.

Why I studied AGW

"My lifetime work from childhood to the present has been focused on aircraft/spacecraft design and development, with flight-testing being my career specialty. Thus, I have always been challenged to determine the accuracy and meaning of a large amount of disparate data and have often been required to apply those interpretations to development of a product that absolutely must be safe and robust.

"Four years ago I noticed something troubling about the challenges facing the global warming alarmists. I started my research on anthropogenic (i.e. man-caused) global warming (AGW) because, I found to my surprise, that to claim a catastrophic AGW theory as a “proof”, the climate scientists thought they only needed to show that human emissions MIGHT cause a fractional-degree global decadal temperature rise, for an earth that generally varies 20 to 40 deg F every 24 hours and varies as much as 80 to 100 deg F every year – This seemed to be a Herculean task indeed.

"Another thing troubled me - those scientists that claimed that warming is human-caused and catastrophic, tended to be the ones who sought out the media to proclaim their views (an unusual behavior for scientists immersed in the proper scientific procedure). The larger group of scientists that did not agree tended to be mute. This, of course gave the media and some politicians an impression that there was scientific “consensus”, even though it did not exist.

Does not pass sanity check

"Also, an engineer knows it is wrong to arbitrarily select a single theory (for example, human emissions of greenhouse gas (GHG) effects) as a ‘proof cause’ of warming. This is especially true when that single-proposed cause is a small effect among the many other possible causes. Pointing to sharp increases of measured temperature and then claiming global warming is due to the miniscule human additions to the planet’s atmospheric GHG, while ignoring the fact that cooling periods are also observed while emissions increase, does not pass a sanity check.

"I found that no conclusion on human greenhouse gas (GHG)-blame could be made if one honestly considers the other causes. This is supported by the observation that the climate likely has always had at least today’s temperature swings, in the absence of any significant human activity. Also, the GHG warming effect is primarily driven by water vapor, not by CO2, and the human emissions’ portion of atmospheric CO2 is tiny.

Human-caused GHG seemed, to my engineering mind, impossible

"The climate scientist’s problem of proving his human-caused GHG crisis theory seemed, to my engineering mind, impossible. This is what attracted me to study the raw data and to see if there was fraud in its summary presentations, since the slightest changes in the data, such as a bit of cherry picking tree rings or even an ‘innocent’ selection of a truncated temperature data set, is all that would be needed to alarm the naive non-scientific audience. My conclusion is that, if the analysis by climate scientists had been required to pass a typical engineering preliminary design review, the crisis theory would have never been passed on to the non-technical audience.

"The entire process of scientific study of the earth’s climate data, combined with the computer models developed to predict future climate, is extremely susceptible to abuse - even minor data ‘adjustments’ or data cherry picking, can completely change the conclusions.

Climate models adjusted after the fact

"Further, I found that none of the climate models had predicted the 1999-to-2009 cooling until they were “adjusted”, after the fact. I see “adjustments-after-test” all the time in aircraft development. The stress-analysis specialist can always accurately predict a wing failure after he adjusts his model, following a shop test of ultimate wing strength. Note, that wing design is relatively straight forward compared to the chaotic behavior of climate.

Top climate scientists do not respect or use proper scientific process

"My most alarming finding was that many of the top climate scientists do not respect or use a proper scientific process. This finding was not just for the global warming issue, it was prevalent and pervasive back during the ozone hole scare, where the primary blame was attributed to human CFC release and the panic was alarmist-driven, not data driven. Based on available climate data, no respectable engineering study would accept the theory of human-caused GHG increase as proof to justify any new development or any large expenditure of funds to “fix the warming problem”.

Current warming beneficial to the planet

"The current ice-age-recovery warming slope is modest. This warming is beneficial to the planet, its plants and its animals (including humans). This is true even if a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 is added to assist the warmth.

One prediction that makes common sense

"However, I found one prediction that, to me makes the most common sense. The graph below (by Dr Syun Akasofu, IARC Founding Director and Professor of Physics, Emeritus UAF) shows a 320-year time period. The long, straight dashed line shows the accepted long-term trend - a modest 0.6 deg C per 100-year warming, i.e. the continuing recovery from the Little Ice Age, extrapolated for the next century.

"The Observational Data box shows the measured, previous 120-year history of global temperature anomaly, ending in the year 2002. The wiggly red line within this box illustrates the most reliable data; the last 25 years that include satellite atmospheric measurements. Note how the recent decade of cooling (green arrow pointing to the 2009 temperature point) fits in fine with the observed mild temperature oscillations over the last 100 years. This all supports a logical prediction that the next 100 years should mimic the last 100 years; supporting a beneficial warming trend and a sea level increase by 2100 of only 6 to 8 inches.

"Of course, the thing that stands out on the Akasofu chart is the overlaid IPCC prediction for the next 100 years. This politically driven "forecast" is not supported by any careful analysis of past or present climate data, including predicted human CO2 emissions.
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#1058579 - 19/01/2012 23:00 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Type "Science with a capital S" in Google, see first link. Enjoy smile .
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#1058587 - 19/01/2012 23:11 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: -Cosmic- (naz)]
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Correction:

Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Type "Science with[out] a capital S" in Google, see first link. Enjoy smile .
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#1087274 - 09/03/2012 11:13 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: -Cosmic- (naz)]
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MWP was quite different from current anthropogenic global warming

The role of forcing and internal dynamics in explaining the “Medieval Climate Anomaly”

Abstract: “Proxy reconstructions suggest that peak global temperature during the past warm interval known as the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA, roughly 950–1250 AD) has been exceeded only during the most recent decades. To better understand the origin of this warm period, we use model simulations constrained by data assimilation establishing the spatial pattern of temperature changes that is most consistent with forcing estimates, model physics and the empirical information contained in paleoclimate proxy records. These numerical experiments demonstrate that the reconstructed spatial temperature pattern of the MCA can be explained by a simple thermodynamical response of the climate system to relatively weak changes in radiative forcing combined with a modification of the atmospheric circulation, displaying some similarities with the positive phase of the so-called Arctic Oscillation, and with northward shifts in the position of the Gulf Stream and Kuroshio currents. The mechanisms underlying the MCA are thus quite different from anthropogenic mechanisms responsible for modern global warming.”

http://www.springerlink.com/content/v8523x47070073q8/

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#1087529 - 10/03/2012 11:43 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: CeeBee]
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Why the Global Warming Skeptics Are Wrong

The threat of climate change is an increasingly important environmental issue for the globe. Because the economic questions involved have received relatively little attention, I have been writing a nontechnical book for people who would like to see how market-based approaches could be used to formulate policy on climate change. When I showed an early draft to colleagues, their response was that I had left out the arguments of skeptics about climate change, and I accordingly addressed this at length.

But one of the difficulties I found in examining the views of climate skeptics is that they are scattered widely in blogs, talks, and pamphlets. Then, I saw an opinion piece in The Wall Street Journal of January 27, 2012, by a group of sixteen scientists, entitled “No Need to Panic About Global Warming.” This is useful because it contains many of the standard criticisms in a succinct statement. The basic message of the article is that the globe is not warming, that dissident voices are being suppressed, and that delaying policies to slow climate change for fifty years will have no serious economic or environment consequences.

My response is primarily designed to correct their misleading description of my own research; but it also is directed more broadly at their attempt to discredit scientists and scientific research on climate change.1 I have identified six key issues that are raised in the article, and I provide commentary about their substance and accuracy. They are:

• Is the planet in fact warming?
• Are human influences an important contributor to warming?
• Is carbon dioxide a pollutant?
• Are we seeing a regime of fear for skeptical climate scientists?
• Are the views of mainstream climate scientists driven primarily by the desire for financial gain?
• Is it true that more carbon dioxide and additional warming will be beneficial?

As I will indicate below, on each of these questions, the sixteen scientists provide incorrect or misleading answers. At a time when we need to clarify public confusions about the science and economics of climate change, they have muddied the waters. I will describe their mistakes and explain the findings of current climate science and economics.

Read more here http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/mar/22/why-global-warming-skeptics-are-wrong/

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#1094688 - 22/03/2012 15:27 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: CeeBee]
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Evidence linking Arctic amplification to extreme weather in mid-latitudes

Abstract: “Arctic amplification (AA) – the observed enhanced warming in high northern latitudes relative to the northern hemisphere – is evident in lower-tropospheric temperatures and in 1000-to-500 hPa thicknesses. Daily fields of 500 hPa heights from the National Centers for Environmental Prediction Reanalysis are analyzed over N. America and the N. Atlantic to assess changes in north-south (Rossby) wave characteristics associated with AA and the relaxation of poleward thickness gradients. Two effects are identified that each contribute to a slower eastward progression of Rossby waves in the upper-level flow: 1) weakened zonal winds, and 2) increased wave amplitude. These effects are particularly evident in autumn and winter consistent with sea-ice loss, but are also apparent in summer, possibly related to earlier snow melt on high-latitude land. Slower progression of upper-level waves would cause associated weather patterns in mid-latitudes to be more persistent, which may lead to an increased probability of extreme weather events that result from prolonged conditions, such as drought, flooding, cold spells, and heat waves.”

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2012/2012GL051000.shtml

In fastest Arctic sea ice decrease regions ice-free season is now 3 months longer

Regions of rapid sea ice change: An inter-hemispheric seasonal comparison

Abstract: “This bi-polar analysis resolves ice edge changes on space/time scales relevant for investigating seasonal ice-ocean feedbacks and focuses on spatio-temporal changes in the timing of annual sea ice retreat and advance over 1979/80 to 2010/11. Where Arctic sea ice decrease is fastest, the sea ice retreat is now nearly 2 months earlier and subsequent advance more than 1 month later (compared to 1979/80), resulting in a 3-month longer summer ice-free season. In the Antarctic Peninsula and Bellingshausen Sea region, sea ice retreat is more than 1 month earlier and advance 2 months later, resulting in a more than 3-month longer summer ice-free season. In contrast, in the western Ross Sea (Antarctica) region, sea ice retreat and advance are more than 1 month later and earlier respectively, resulting in a more than 2 month shorter summer ice-free season. Regardless of trend magnitude or direction, and at latitudes mostly poleward of 70° (N/S), there is strong correspondence between anomalies in the timings of sea ice retreat and subsequent advance, but little correspondence between advance and subsequent retreat. These results support a strong ocean thermal feedback in autumn in response to changes in spring sea ice retreat. Further, model calculations suggest different net ocean heat changes in the Arctic versus Antarctic where autumn sea ice advance is 1 versus 2 months later. Ocean-atmosphere changes, particularly in boreal spring and austral autumn (i.e., during ∼March-May), are discussed and compared, as well as possible inter-hemispheric climate connections.”

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2012/2012GL050874.shtml

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#1095799 - 26/03/2012 05:50 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: CeeBee]
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Framing the way to relate climate extremes to climate change

Abstract

The atmospheric and ocean environment has changed from human activities in ways that affect storms and extreme climate events. The main way climate change is perceived is through changes in extremes because those are outside the bounds of previous weather.

The average anthropogenic climate change effect is not negligible, but nor is it large, although a small shift in the mean can lead to very large percentage changes in extremes.

Anthropogenic global warming inherently has decadal time scales and can be readily masked by natural variability on short time scales. To the extent that interactions are linear, even places that feature below normal temperatures are still warmer than they otherwise would be.

It is when natural variability and climate change develop in the same direction that records get broken. For instance, the rapid transition from El Niño prior to May 2010 to La Niña by July 2010 along with global warming contributed to the record high sea surface temperatures in the tropical Indian and Atlantic Oceans and in close proximity to places where record flooding subsequently occurred.

A commentary is provided on recent climate extremes. The answer to the oft-asked question of whether an event is caused by climate change is that it is the wrong question. All weather events are affected by climate change because the environment in which they occur is warmer and moister than it used to be.



http://www.springerlink.com/content/0008xl84w0743102/fulltext.html

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#1095862 - 26/03/2012 12:25 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: CeeBee]
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Gee Whiz CeeBee.

You have really drank the Kool-Aid haven't you.

Keep it coming because none of us have heard of polar amplification before (which doesn't show up in the records anymore now that they have been "adjusted") nor "global warming" which delivers flooding rains in certain predictable areas (as compared to the ENSO which used to do the same) nor that Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant (exhaled by animals and inhaled by vegetation ie. basically all lifeforms and has been polluting the Earth since 4.45 billion years ago), nor the Medieval Climate Optimum which was not caused by CO2 but by Man and is not as warm as today since noone could grow crops until 30 years ago, especially in Europe where it was cold until CO2 increased.




Edited by Bill Illis (26/03/2012 12:30)

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#1095867 - 26/03/2012 13:17 Re: Climate thread for articles for and against with no comments allowed [Re: Bill Illis]
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Sorry, no comments are allowed on this thread Bill!
I started the thread and the moderators approved it as a no comments allowed thread!


Edited by bd bucketingdown (26/03/2012 13:19)

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