Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies...

Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 20:53

I guess one of my many fascinations throuought life has always been flying....I do have a fear of it, but then again, I have had to travel by air many a time. I vaguely remember being on a flight from Perth to Melbourne on TAA in 1978? we were diverted via Alice Springs. Another flight, I was taken from Perth to Canberra via Sydney on a RAAF C130 - 9 hours of fun, according to my dad (including touch and go-arounds in Canberra).....I've flown on C130's quite a few times, Chanced it with Ansett more often than not, (including an A320 flight to Cairns where we were in the cockpit and hydraulics decided to pack it in - Flt AN4 BNE/CNS - 4 Oct 1997), and many other fun filled adventures.

Post your cool aviation pics, talk about your great airline & flying adventures, give the airlines that require a pat on the back one, and discuss the airlines and travel incidences and horrors that need to be offloaded......Jetstar are waaaay down on my airline list, and Virgin Blue ROCK.....

Funnily enough - Perth Airport Skywest / VB Terminal - as small and disorganised as it is...has ALCOHOL WIPES for the dunny seats - HOW COOL!!!

Some Links to my last flights as filmed on quality samsung digital can be found here:

http://tornadochaser76.blogspot.com/

or on the TUBE:

B747-300 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jNn3TRMuEI

Fokker F100 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdABvxCzauc

Have Fun - look forward to the images

Andre
Posted by: SBT

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 21:26

First flight. TAA 727 Perth Sydney, 2nd flight same day Sydney - Port Morseby DC3 (14 hours and 5 landings later we got there)1964
1964 Port Moresby to Lae Beachcraft Baron and return a week later.

Numerous trips around PNG and to to Perth until 1971.

1972 Port Moresby Cairns Townsville Focker Friendship hit by lightning 40 seconds after take off. Dead stick landing on emergency airstrip. 28 school kids onboard and 4 crew.

Military service flew all over Australia in a variety of aircraft, C130, Caribou, Squirrels, Sea Kings, Chinhooks, Blackhawks - Iroquoi crash landing Shoalwater Bay Training Area more of a semi controlled skid than a crash.

Worst flight - C130 tactical flying Pearce to Exmouth with female learner pilot. Less than 60ft most of 6 hours attempting escape and evasion tactics, NAPE of the earth etc. 90 of us threw up for around 5 hours.

Worst aircraft experience was at night tactically loading a land rover onto strops on a Chinhook and got squashed into the bonnet by the front left wheel of the Chinhook.

Best Airline - Qantas
Worst - Jetstar
Posted by: SBT

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 21:33

I forgot a couple. Pilatus Porter was interesting to say the least only aircraft I have been in that can hover and fly backwards, at least it feels that way.
Dual seat Mirage in Maylaya was an asbsolute hoot.
Kiowa was loads of fun. Sort of like a motorbike on drugs, the fast kind. I loved flying with single pilots (unmarried) no fear.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 21:37

The kind of flying i wish I had a chance to experience........although I remember as a young lad being invited up to the cockpit of a C130 on my way to Fairbairn RAAF in Canberra (from Adelaide via Laverton)- witnessed flying over the Snowy mountains on sunset midwinter - magic stuff.....
Posted by: TrenthamStormchasers

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 21:56

Best flight: landing in Darwin in the jump seat on a stormy night one Christmas in the mid 90's :bounce:

Worst flight: attempting a mid afternoon flight Perth - Melbourne in the 90's, flying a dog back too...3 attempts to take off, 3 returns to the terminal, computer shut down, dogs had to have water thrown over them in the hold - 42C on the tarmac, finally off the ground and 200kms out, we still hadn't got over 10,000' and the plane was turned around and shuddered all the way back to Perth landing in 42C - I'm not religious...but I prayed that day for the first and last time.
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 22:26

Best flight: The ones with turbulence

Worst flight: When you can't sleep

TS cool
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 22:28

First flight for me was an Ansett Airlines of Australia DC-9...Flown on most domestic airlines.IE Ansett australia, TAA, then became australian} Qantas, jetstar{same thing} East west airlines, Eastern Australia, Airlines of NSW,Qantaslink and virgin blue.......................Probably the most hairy ride for me was landing in Adelaide, coming in over the water, and the plane nearly dropped into the water, on a very windy day on approach, eek that was a 727.....And have also flown on a JAT }Yugoslavia air transport}737 From Adelaide to Sydney during the 1989 pilots strike...Biggest plane ive flown in is a 747sp, smallest was a F-27...Best airline in the world Qantas, also the safest :cheers: .
Posted by: Andrew Miskelly

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 22:28

A friend I've taken flying a few times YouTubed some of his P&S video snips. They may be of interest if you're into lighties or aerial views.

Low-level Sydney coastal to Wollongong

Expensive pie run to Cootamundra
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2008 22:43

Quote:
Originally posted by rain gauge:
First flight for me was an Ansett Airlines of Australia DC-9...Flown on most domestic airlines.IE Ansett australia, TAA, then became australian} Qantas, jetstar{same thing} East west airlines, Eastern Australia, Airlines of NSW,Qantaslink and virgin blue.......................Probably the most hairy ride for me was landing in Adelaide, coming in over the water, and the plane nearly dropped into the water, on a very windy day on approach, eek that was a 727.....And have also flown on a JAT }Yugoslavia air transport}737 From Adelaide to Sydney during the 1989 pilots strike...Biggest plane ive flown in is a 747sp, smallest was a F-27...Best airline in the world Qantas, also the safest :cheers: .
Singapore Airlines want a word.

TS cool
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2008 00:41

Never flown overseas, but I swear - the BEST airline has ALWAYS been VB - esp. with kids - the hosties clamour to help (plus they aint too hard on the ol' eyes, and they make flying enjoyable - paint the kiddies faces etc....)

Have flown Crapstar a few times, and frankly, dont ever want to again (even though the A320 is a great piece of equipment)....

Last Flight into Perth on Qantas: was on a 747-376: COMFY aircraft - actually - it was an exceptionally spacious and surprisingly quiet aircraft to fly on (Rolls Royce Engines?)but you had to trip up the QF Staff for help - conceited, lazy, and generally unhelpful. Qantas & Jetstar can learn a lesson or 3 from Virgin Blue about customer service!!!
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2008 00:56

Had a look at those vids AM - VERY scenic! the coast S of SYD is certainly one to get stuck in a holding pattern over.......
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2008 06:45

My first ever flight

Was from brisvegas to cairns in 1997 in january on a 737-400, on Ansett. The flight was good, nothing to bumpy or anything. When we arrived at cairns international, we had to go on our next flight which was from Cairns to Normanton. Let me just say that this plane was not big at all. From memory it was a banderanti........( spelling? ) Flying in a 18 seater or something in the middle of summer over the atherton tablelands was interesting let me just say. Also we flew through 3 thunderstorms landing into normanton which was quite scary!

We landed good though, and to our suprise our very first day was 40C and like 70% humidity, quite a change from toowoomba which was 16C.

Have been on 16 flights since, which have ranged from the 737-400 and 737-300 and the airbus A321. Which have ranged from Ansett, Translink, Virgin Blue, Qantas and Jetstar.

I will try post some pictures later. Those were the days when the pilots invited you up into the cockpit !
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2008 22:20

Have put the latest up on o'l YouTube....Fokker F100 out of Perth - sitting RIGHT up the back (where families belong - according to Skywest), but the engine noises are awesome, as well as the vapour vortices just after the throttle is opened on the runway....pretty good stuff (IMHO).....

http://www.youtube.com/user/tornadochaser76
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 07:31

Hmm.. aircraft flown.

Qantas 747's (series unknown, one of the first)
Air NZ DC-10
United Airlines MD-11
Pan-Am 747 (series unknown)
TAA 727's 737's DC-9's pre Australian Airlines.
Ansett 727's 737's Airbus A320's.
Qantas 767's

Newmann Air (now Air NZ) Dash-8's

Last flown, December 22nd back here to Auckland on an Air NZ 747-400.
It had been over 15 years since stepping on an aircraft, most of my flying was done as a kid but when those 4 turbofans spooled up for takeoff and lumbering SLOWWWWWWLY down YBBN 01 I felt like a little kid all over again laugh

Worst flight.. years ago on Australian Airlines 737 from Melbourne to Adelaide when I was stuck next to a heavily pregnant asian lady who was throwing her guts out non stop for the duration of the flight. Even after asking for a seat change for either one of us, the cabin crew had their hands tied so I ended up having to toerate the distressed cries of this woman and the smell of her you know what.

Most memorable.. going from Sydney to Christtchurch on the Qantas 747 mentioned above, I was classified as an "unattended minor" so got special treatment from the cabin staff and got to sit up in the cockpit with the pilots of the Jumbo for a half hour or so. Imagine my shock when I was shown inside the door and the captain was sitting back drinking coffee and reading the newspaper.

"Who The F Is Fly This Plane?!?!?"
Didnt realise there was a thing called autopilot.. hell i was barely 8 years old shocked

Worst landing.. Melbourne with an Ansett 737.
Mustve been the trainee landing it cause I doubt i could skip a stone off a calm pond any better than the way this guy put the jet down. Im sure he smashed the undercarrige somehow.
In the end when they see you off at the door I asked the chief pursar if we had been shot down.

Most memorable aircraft.
The Air NZ 767 (200 series?) I flew from Auckland to Adelaide on back in 91.
The aircarft was named the "Awatere" which is my maori family name. It is held in high regard and respect up and down NZ so for me to fly on the boeing named after my whanau (family) was and still is a very big thing. It was an awesome flight, great staff and although a delayed departure, we managed to make time somehow.

Only thing was, the engine on it laugh
Pratt & Whitney turbofans, so tinny I was waiting for the port side one to spit a blade and the only time in my life I had prayed to my family to get me back in 1 piece was on that bloody plane itself, named after my family!!

I love flying.. in every form and term. If I cant be up in the air i molest the LiveATC streams on the net.. with the atlantic crossings being high up on the list.
Posted by: Andy Double U

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 08:15

Interesting comments about Jetstar Tornado. Mine would have to be the opposite.

Every time I've flown on Virgin Blue I've always had a bouncy landing including one with a decent cross wind and the starboard wing nearly chewed some tarmac, put that down as an eeeeek moment! Every Jetstar flight I've been on the landings have been smooth as silk and that is with non cooperative weather conditions. Only thing I don't like about the Jetstar A320s is the wind noise, I really don't like being reminded of the fact I am flying in an aluminium cigar tube with a couple of flight surfaces riveted onto it at 800 clicks (I assume the cruising speed is around this much).

My most memorable flight ever was on Qantas Brisbane to Sydney leaving at about 4:30ish in the afternoon and the first good storm of the season was rolling through and we were the last flight to leave. You could tell the Pilot was up for fun because he radios over the intercom that we will experience 'some' turbulence but will be climbing as quickly as possible to get clear of it. So we took off north then turned to starboard to go back south and I look out the window and all you could see was this filthy black mean wall cloud rolling in. We punched it about a 1/3 of the way up and it was on for young and old, got pitched and rolled countless number of times but the best bit was watching the wingtip disappear out of view ABOVE the window as we pulled a G or two for about 3 or 4 seconds before going completely weightless! AWESOME!!!! Lightning was strobing the cabin and at one stage we must have flown into a strong crosswind coming from the right as my head clouted the cabin pretty hard. Passengers were white, some were screaming, some were praying and the collective holding of breath when we went weightless was classic. I'd happily line up for another flight like that, certainly makes it more exciting than just going up and coming down...
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 08:28

Bring THAT on!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 09:43

whats it like to be weightless?
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 11:57

Well i found jetstar service better than virgin blue, as the crew on virgin were a pack of old boilers, must of been leftovers from Ansett, and they would only serve me 1 beer from launceston to sydney Grrrrr, trouble is with jetstars A320s is its only comfortable if you are 3 feet tall eek
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 11:59

yep, the A320 is way to small, my legs were so cramped !
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 12:04

Heres some pictures i snapped at Brisvegas Domestic Terminal. Through the glass though, so excuse the faded colour.







Ill pop some more up soon.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 12:08

I like this photo as well.

Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 12:14

The second last one looks like an A330, and the last one is a cramped A320
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 12:18

Yup, i probably should have labelled them, but yeah, my first jetstar flight was on the one above, it then taxied to the gate instead of making us walk out.

I am 6'4, so i was so cramped, couldnt even read the paper.
Posted by: stormygirl

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 13:51

Airlines I've flown with:

Ansett
Qantas
Air Pacific
British
East West
Cathay Pacific
Virgin Blue
Jet Star.

Worst flights: Coming home from the ASWA AGM last year with the Flu, and knowing my Son was in hospital, plus anytime flying with a cold...feels like my ears are about to explode.

Best Flight: Heading off to Europe for the first time, and also my first flight and feeling the huge rush on take off.

Worst Landing: The Virgin Blue flight from Melb to Cairns, where the pilot thumped the plane down on the tarmac and bounced it a few times.

Worst take off: Leaving Fiji and ascending through a thunderstorm. Never felt turbulance like it, and I think my one half of my stomach ended up behind my ears somewhere, while the other half in my toes! It was so rough some of the overhead luggage compartments opened by themselves.

Worst airport experience: Leaving Singapore and realising that my ticket had been ripped out at Heathrow by airport check in by mistake, while my mum still had hers from Heathrow to Singapore. Try explaining that!! Also having the staff at Heathrow go through EVERYTHING, just because we had left our luggage unattended (locked and behind closed doors) at Hotel reception waiting for our airport transfer. (early checkout time but late flight)

Most colourful flight: Flying to Singapore on the QANTAS 'Wunala Dreaming' plane! Thankfully it doesn't look like this one the inside wink



Most scariest looking plane: An Ansett Fokka Friendship I took on a school trip to Tassie!



Airline I will never fly again: East West. Took a trip with them from Sydney to Norfolk Island, sat next to one of the doors and could smell fuel the whole time! Even the Hostie looked worried!

Best Airline: QANTAS.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 14:09

I doubt you can blame an airline for a bad landing, if its rough landing the pilot just wants that plane on the ground,hence it sounds like youve landed with no undercarriage, cause if it bounces up and down to much, and since its going into landing mode, it could stall, and that would make it your worst flight ever eek
Posted by: Andy Double U

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 14:10

Quote:
Originally posted by cyclones 4 life ( Ted ):
whats it like to be weightless?
Was kinda eerie actually. But the closest thing I can approximate it to is like jumping a double or a triple on a moto-x bike off a ski jump style up ramp. About the only explanation I've got is that the might have hit an updraft before going into a down draft, don't know enough about storm cell dynamics to know the likelihood of this happening but it's the only explanation I can offer. It's at time like those that you are reminded of how small and insignificant you are!
Posted by: Thunderstorm Liker

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 19:55

Hey guys,

On 13th December 2006 i was flying from Brisbane to Bangkok with Thai Airways International Brand new 777-200ER i watched Garfield 2 on the way to bangkok and had 2 meals during the flight.

heres the pics

Cabin


Flight Status


:cheers:

Michael Mark Rampton
Posted by: Tulloch

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2008 21:25

My most memorable flying experience would have to be the flight from Cairns to Dunk Island on a small 12 seater Cessna. The day we flew over it was quite windy with some squally showers which made for an interesting flight, even more so since I don't like small planes. Coming back was good weather though (great scenery) although I don't have any pictures.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/07/2008 06:12

MMR.
Looks pretty close (the inflight entertainment system) I had on the Air NZ 744 coming back home. Was awesome.

Stormygirl.. you win hands down just by flying aboard Wunala Dreaming. Cant beat that. laugh
Posted by: Instability

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 17:27

Aircraft and airlines I have flown on:

Ansett
- B737-300
- A320-200
- B727-200
- B767-200
- B767-300
- B747-300
- B747-400

East West
- Fokker F27

Virgin Blue
- B737-400
- B737-700
- B737-800

Qantas
- B747-200
- B767-300
- B737-300
- B737-400
- B737-700
- B737-800
- A330-200

Jetstar
- A320-200

Aeropelican
- DH6

Kendell
- Metroliner
- Saab340
- CRJ-200

Airnorth
- EMB 120 (Brasiliar)

United
- B747-400
- B777-200
- B767-300

British Airways
- BAC-111

Gulf Air
- A340-300

Other
- Cesna Caravan

Working over 12 years in the airline industry gave me lots of opportunities to fly, and I have been fortunate enough to do a number of them in the jumpseat. I can't recall how many flights I have been on exactly, but it would be in the hundreds (I had over 70 flights in 1 calendar year due to the role I held).

I have had many memorable flights, including my first jumpseat ride into Sydney in a B767-200 on a stormy afternoon, hitting massive turbulance over Europe in a B747 that made me hit the ceiling (I was coming back from the lav) and a couple of less than soft landings.

Biggest highlights:
- First Jumpseat into Sydney
- Flying over the Bungle Bungles and Lake Argyle
- A slow climb through the mountains out of Cairns in a B727-200
- Coming into Melbourne last year during a massive thunderstorm to the airport's north (towers everywhere and cg's dropping all around the aircraft).
- Descending over the Alps on an early spring morning into Milan airport.
- late afternoon descent into LAX (aircraft everywhere - don't know how they don't have midair collisions).

Rog.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 17:33

hahahahaha
screw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0sKNTaSZGM
Posted by: terrified

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 19:48

Gday ALL; :wave:

I just want to say a *Huge Special Thanx* for the Mpegs of your flights.. :wave:
:cheers:
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 19:54

I love both laugh
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 20:02

This picture was taken while flying over the coast of northern France last September.



I remember landing in Majorca in September 2001 during a thunderstorm, I could see the lightning flashes from my window and it made for a great light show, our flight was the last to land (some other planes were diverted to Barcelona). The thunderstorm must have continued for at least an hour after we landed. This was a week before 9-11, and some people were nervous about flying back to the UK after our holiday had finished.

An unpleasant journey was my 28 hour long trip to Las Vegas. It took 3 hours by bus to reach Heathrow, then another 5 hours to wait until we could board our flight to Washington DC. Unfortunately then there was another delay and we had to wait 2 hours while sitting in the plane before we could take off, this meant we missed our connecting flight to Las Vegas and had a 5 hour wait for the next flight. After a long 5 hour flight on a budget version of United Airlines (with no food or drink, or any kind of entertainment apart from a couple of music stations) we finally arrived at Las Vegas (although the view of the Las Vegas strip at night looked great)

Living so close to Birmingham Airport, I occasionally go to the viewing gallery and watch the planes landing and taking off.

Here's a few youtube videos of Birmingham airport.

Concorde landing

Crosswind landing

Crash landing

Take-off
Posted by: Sniper77

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 20:08

On trip last year to US & West Indies, flew Melb > LA > Miami > Puerto Rico > Barbados > Antiqua. All flights were cool mainly casuee of the excitment factor. US Airline are by far the worst. Sat next to a pilot who was flying to Miami for his next shift and spent 4 hours talking to him about their system. 2/10 compared to ours!!!

Got on a 50-odd seater island hopper from Puerto Rico to the Windies which was pretty cool. Flew at night but at a low enough altitude to see the lights of eachisland, pretty crazy.

The 2 best experiences of my flights were on the way home. Coming into Las Vegas from Miami was amazing, just seeing the Grand Canyon, then this sprawling place in the middle of the desert!!

The other was in LA on a QANTAS 747-400, with Bruce McAvaney & "Kenny" on board, 11.40pm at night, on your way home to the best country in the world and the big baby turns the corner on the runway and the pilot just nails the throttle and the noise/power is awesome!!!
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2008 20:10

Thats a hefty list of craft Rog..
I've heard the Bombardiers are a very resilient aircraft, just seeing the CRJ in your list pricked my ears up somewhat.

Dont know what it is really with the jets, ive been searching, finding, viewing old videos of the "ol smokers" ie: early days 707's with the water cooled turbojets which would belch out more smoke on take off than your local power station would emit in 1 day laugh

Speaking of the old smokers though.. I hear today that sadly one of the buff's went down not long ago. Those that dont know, the buff's are the general nickname for the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress Intercontinental strategic Nuke bombers.. 50 year old craft just keeps getting a facelift and still fit for service.

Wires saying it took off from Guam where they are based, began its climb then plunged nose first into the Pacific. No other news on the ol girl and no doubt being such an aircraft, it will be kept quiet.
Posted by: Thunderstorm Liker

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 01:44

Quote:
Originally posted by Dale Small:
MMR.
Looks pretty close (the inflight entertainment system) I had on the Air NZ 744 coming back home. Was awesome.
Yeah dale, it was a remarkable last flight with Thai i didn't had any Inflight Entertainment System with only main screens and asle screens. but this time i got one when the new aircraft was on its first flight from Brisbane - Bangkok it was delivered to Thai Airways before my flight that was in November 2006 when it delivered smile .

:cheers:

Michael Mark Rampton
Posted by: Andy Double U

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 08:17

For some reason it is always a little disconcerting for me when I hear of a military plane in a crash, I guess because I'd like to think that the maintenance standards, flight protocols and pilot training would be better and more encompassing then for civilian aviation. Just my impression, not based on fact!

Anyway, found this interesting news snippet relating to the Buff crash and a B-2 Bomber crash also out of Guam for those that are interested.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 10:10

Quote:
Originally posted by cyclones 4 life ( Ted ):
hahahahaha
screw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0sKNTaSZGM
if anyone watched this, does it look like it was accidental that he got to low to the ground on the flyby? I would have near shat myself LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa7WCyrUWjM

this ones insane too
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 10:18

from ABC online

Two US airmen were killed and four are missing after their B-52 bomber crashed into the Pacific Ocean shortly after take-off while preparing to fly in a Liberation Day parade in the US territory of Guam, officials said.

The bomber, which had no weapons on board, crashed at 9:45 am local time on Monday about 15 minutes before the parade was due to begin, the US Air Force (USAF) said in a statement. There were six crew members.

The bodies of two airmen were later recovered approximately 48 kilometres north-west of Guam, where a search and rescue operation was still under way involving USAF, Navy, Coast Guard and other US and Guam agencies.

The USAF said one of the crew members had been identified but that the airman's identity would be withheld until next-of-kin could be notified.

There was no immediate word on the cause of the crash. The USAF said a board of officers was investigating.

A USAF official was quoted on the Pacific Daily News Web site as saying the plane had been meant to take part in a parade commemorating Guam's 1944 liberation from Japanese occupation in World War II.

The island, under US control since 1898, is the only significantly populated US territory ever to have been occupied by a foreign power.

In February, a B-2 stealth bomber, which costs around $US1.2 billion, crashed at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The two pilots on board ejected safely.
Posted by: Instability

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 12:18

Quote:
Originally posted by Dale Small:
Thats a hefty list of craft Rog..
I've heard the Bombardiers are a very resilient aircraft, just seeing the CRJ in your list pricked my ears up somewhat........
I used to work for Ansett and being a big aviation enthusiast, tried to get on every aircraft type that I could. Working with or getting to know the right people gave me some great opportunities, including a private tour of the Airbus A330/340 assembly line in Toulouse, going on the very last passenger flight of a B727-200 in Australia (my favourite aircraft), flying on Ansett's first B747 proving flight (one of the B747-300's that they leased) and on a proving flight for the CRJ to Tassie.

The CRJ-200 was a rocket ship with great airfield performance. A couple of co-workers and myself went on a MEL-LST-MEL proving flight, where the cockpit door was open and we had the entire aircraft to ourselves. On takeoff out of LST the pilot performed a performance takeoff with a high climbout rate - basically went full throttle and pointed the thing skyward laugh

Since Ansett collapsed I have had jobs that have required some domestic travel, so have tried to schedule my flights to get on as many QF and DJ aircraft types as possible.

I am looking forward to getting onto the A380 at some stage, as I have followed its development from concept.

Rog.
Posted by: Foehn Correspondent

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2008 21:34

I know this is slightly off topic, but it is aviation related!

I've just been browsing Google Earth and there appears to be some new photos up at the moment. Have a look at the one of Brisbane Airport, the southern end of the main runway, just near the piano keys of 01 you can see the shadow of what looks to be a 737. Can anyone find the aircraft itself?

I was going to say may be it was a mystery flight ......

Greg
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/07/2008 07:39

If it was YMML (Melbourne) id daresay it would be the remainder of the Ansett 737 which we crash landed on laugh
Posted by: cyclonecece

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/07/2008 11:38

most flying i have done is in a little cessna172,mustering out on the stations.i tryed to fly it a few times but nerves got the better of me,kept getting closer to the ground with each turn so i gave up,plus the gut was feeling a little out of whack.we use to take it up to around 2000feet an shut it off an dive towards to the airstrip just to practise if anything ever did go wrong...worst one i went in was another cessna 172 ,quite a few planes flew into a certain station just for a fun day,throwing flour bombs out on people etc etc but my pilot was a little slow taking off an clipped the bloody mulga trees so showered everyone with sticks plus got me a little jumpy ,soon asked him to take it back down.also been inside a Hercules,two of them flew into Laverton to drop food an water supplys off to the town as we had been cut off from floodwaters when cyclone bobby came down
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 08:47

This made me laugh, it's a list of regulations for airline stewards in the US during the 1930's.

Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 09:58

I guess with throwing things out the window, they were'nt flying concorde eek
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 22:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EReN9K9qWvQ Have posted this before somewhere, wouldnt want to be on that wing, first 30 seconds is the most dramatic
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 22:36

Amazing, imagine being on the window seat bahaha crap yourself much?

i love the way the pilots stayed calm.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 22:57

I could sence a bit of panic in his voice, it seems a bit urgent at first, then calms down.... eek
Posted by: Thunderstorm Liker

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2008 23:54

Quote:
Originally posted by rain gauge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EReN9K9qWvQ Have posted this before somewhere, wouldnt want to be on that wing, first 30 seconds is the most dramatic
I call that a Birdstrike the bird flies straight in front of the wing and the engine sucked the bird in and it damaged the engine and the pilots had to return to Manchester Airport with using 1 Engine, its not unusual for birdstrikes it can happen to any aircrafts smile .
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 06:49

well.....................we kinda gathered that :p
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 10:26

I could not believe my eyes yesterday when I got to work and spied not one but two B-52 USAF bombers sitting on the tarmac in the growing light at dawn. A few hours later they cranked them up and both took off and it was a sight I'll never forget. The huge cloud of black smoke blasting out of the EIGHT engines as it increased the throttle and powered down the runway and then the scream as it powered past on the climb. Amazing amazing and brilliant, whole body was reduced to tingles. What a machine.

I did get pics however it was with a dodgy 2mp camera phone as opposed to my 400D which I did not have with me....very annoyed.

TS cool
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 15:00

Disconcerting.......QF Plane drops 20000 feet after emergency door "pops"....is now on the deck in Manila.....

http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,26058,24076175-5014090,00.html
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 15:22

Quote:
Originally posted by rain gauge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EReN9K9qWvQ Have posted this before somewhere, wouldnt want to be on that wing, first 30 seconds is the most dramatic
That is awesome footage. Thumbs up to the cool professionalism of the pilots and control tower. Wouldn't want to be sitting on the right hand side of the plane watching that smoke puff out like that. If the ground microphone picked up that awful chugging noise, I wonder what it sounded like to the passengers?

I've landed at Sydney airport with fire engines following alongside. Turns out the front nose wheel wasn't locked. But we landed safely, if a little heavily.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 15:43

Quote:
Originally posted by Rain Shadow (Fossy):
Quote:
Originally posted by rain gauge:
[b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EReN9K9qWvQ Have posted this before somewhere, wouldnt want to be on that wing, first 30 seconds is the most dramatic
That is awesome footage. Thumbs up to the cool professionalism of the pilots and control tower. Wouldn't want to be sitting on the right hand side of the plane watching that smoke puff out like that. If the ground microphone picked up that awful chugging noise, I wonder what it sounded like to the passengers?

I've landed at Sydney airport with fire engines following alongside. Turns out the front nose wheel wasn't locked. But we landed safely, if a little heavily. [/b]
Yes fossy i was with you! It was a brisbane to sydney flight in 1984, and the plane was making a funny noise as we taxied up to the teminal eek , it was an Ansett 727
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2008 17:28

Ha ha, yeah that's right.

I wonder what the passengers were told just before they landed?

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we will be returning to Manchester Airport, as the pilot has forgotten his sunglasses. We apologise for the inconvenience, and thankyou for flying Thomson Airlines."
Posted by: Andrew Miskelly

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 00:31

Quote:
Originally posted by tornadochaser_76:
QF Plane drops 20000 feet after emergency door "pops"...
Initiating a descent to 10,000 feet as quickly as possible is standard procedure after a decompression. Presumably the papers will ignore this where possible in favour of painting it as an uncontrolled dive which will be in some way related to the failure of the skin.

I guess the poor old pax who tell their stories are not to know what's going on. Sounds like the crew did a ripping job all up. No pun intended.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 03:26

I know you werent trying to put a "hole" in my story there AM - was News.com. I'll wing it from here I guess, and you can make heads or 'tails' of it...Enginuenely wasn't trying to be flippant there......so don't get into a flap....

I should learn to stop reading tabloid internet news, and look for good broadsheet, intellectual news. I know the standard SOP is to drop it to 10000ft so that oxymasks arent needed, but my mind still boggles at how this happened to our flag carrier. Chunks of Aircraft hulls dont just blow out - normally a serious error was involved, or metal fatigue happened.

Outsourcing? Shonky work at Avalon? The ol' man used to work at Avalon on the 747's....fitting out the interiors, and concerns were voiced back in 2005 regarding the 'way things were done'.

Took a tour of the facility back then - have some totally cool pix of what it looks like from the gantry over the top of a 747 in those hangars, but cannot post due to no webpagery at the moment. Will post ASAP....
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 03:59

Airlines & Aircraft I've flown on...

1. B727 - TAA (T-Jet);
2. DC9 - TAA;
3. RAAF C130 Hercules - all models except the new J model;
4. B717 (VH-IMP - Jetstar);
5. B727 Ansett;
6. B737-200 Ansett;
7. B737-300 & 400 Ansett;
8. B737-400 Virgin Blue & Qantas;
9. B737-700 Virgin Blue;
10.B737-800 Virgin Blue & Qantas;
11.B747-300 Qantas (City of Tamworth);
12.B767-200 Ansett;
13.Airbus A320 Ansett & Jetstar;
14. Fokker F50 Ansett Express;
15. Fokker F100 (Skywest);
16. Boeing Dash 8 (Sunstate);
17. Shorts 330 (Sunstate)

Got to sit in the cockpit of a Macchi MB336 when I was in Airforce Cadets too - THAT was cool....Flown approx 50 times, but have NEVER been overseas!
Posted by: Andrew Miskelly

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 09:28

Yeah sorry tornadochaser, was commenting purely on the story itself, not your quote of it.

The frontrunner at present would have to be metal fatigue I'd say. Arguably the most famous comparable case happened to an Aloha Airlines 737-200 back in the 80s. In that instance most of the upper fuselage between the wing and the cockpit disappeared. One of the flight attendants was lost during the initial rapid decompression and I think she was the only fatality. The aircraft was landed in one piece - more or less.

There was a TV movie made about that event. Miracle Landing I think.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 11:33

The flight attendant was the only fatality, but the thing is with that, was one of the passengers noticed a hole in fuselage, as she boarded the plane, but thought oh well they know what there doing, too much salt in the air in that case, and a billion cycles too!! Lucky for Qantas, 'this time' had that whole been bigger it would of been bye, bye 747 and all on board.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 16:32

No offence to Tony.. id rather continue this on here.
To me that QF flight seems like metal fatigue.
Going back through the archives, its a 17 year old craft, flown more miles than you could imagine, been refitted more than once, found corrosion in numerous places (and this is not of archived new reports..) go back a few years to mentioned above.. Aloha, United 747 that blew its ass out over the pacific a few years back, couple of others that have escaped me.

The Aloha airlines event was and is one to be set aside on its own.

This one goes next to the United jumbo that blew its side out a few years ago.

Now, working in structural steel most of my life, hairline fractures always occour. Tower crane jibs and booms are routinely x-rayed for these since if 1 is found, the whole structural integriety of the crane itself is compromised.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gjib_I_ab84

This was the worlds biggest crane going down like a sack of spuds.. its wasnt overloading that caused it, was the fact hairline fractures were found in the boom and jib sections of it. My worst nightmare come true & I personally have been near 40 levels up on a crane similar that blew a hydraulic ram & had a near similar catastrophy and have seen the same thing happen on a smaller crane which sent the struts flying out like matchsticks and the load crashing to the ground.

Back to the topic though.. I am only one of millions who would have an opinion, i cannot talk to the boffins that do their thing to find out what happened, but it smacks me similar to a few incidents, majority involving 747's, of fuselage fractures which have gone undected causing blowouts of this nature.

Full commendations to the captain and first officer for getting those 360 odd pax down safely.. as they are trained to do.
My next pee off is that the other blowouts on the jumbos, have been in the same position.. fore fuselage right before the wing.

That to me smacks of structural integrity.. but I am just another person that flies on them things now and then.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/07/2008 23:35

hey guys,
i too love flying, does anyone else check what type of aircraft your flying on when booking tickets on the net? i have actually booked longer stopovers or had an extra stop just so i can fly on an aircraft i have never been on before!!! hope i am not the only nerd that does that.
I have only been on Virgin twice, had a bad time with their customer service and attitude i have only flown with them once since. despite the problems reported with Jetstar, i am yet to have a problem with them. infact even checking in late once the lady at the melbourne counter was really friendly and checked us in etc. however most of the problems i hear about jetstar are all related to changed/cancelled flights, which if you read the print before you purchase a ticket, the airline takes no claim or responisibility for and recommends travel insurance. i think alot of people in this country are still so used to the glory days on ansett and qantas with full service and a meal with a real knife and fork (yes it was only 7years ago) and we just arent used to budget air travel yet. you only have to watch the english shows like 'airline' and 'airport' to see that these problems occur with all budget airlines across the world.

one of my favourite tv shows in airplane investigations. i learn so much from that show, amazing how complicated these machines are and how so many lives are reliant on such small pieces of machinery.

worst flying experience, Colombo (Sri Lanka) to Singapore in 1988. taking off on a Air Lanka Tristar, end of the runway, engines whine, rev up, start moving then stop. back to the terminal. 3hours on the plane before we were taken off. then shuffled back on, then off again, and being told after 8hours the engine blew. off to a hotel for the night!
also landing in fog on the 6am tvill-brissy leg. flew around brissy for 40min before the pilot said they are making an attempt or they will have to go to coolangatta. couldnt see a damn thing out of the window when landing until we hit the ground with a massive thump and even then you could only just make out the white lines of the runway. it was my wifes first plane trip!
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 02:06

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andrew Miskelly:
[QB] Yeah sorry tornadochaser, was commenting purely on the story itself, not your quote of it.[QB]

No worries mate - just saw it as an opportunity to have a pun.....I agree wholeheartedly - the press make no mention that dropping the plane to 10000 ft makes for easier breathing, and a slightly less warmer atmosphere inside the depressurised cabin.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 02:18

I had a whinge about Crapstar previously - not because of the cramped seating layout of the A320 or anything like that - but fair dinkum - asking them for service (i.e. the odd beer every 20 minutes) was like asking them to slash their wrists. Qantas aren't much better. VB staff seem to cartwheel up the aisle if you press the call button - smiles on faces. I also saw one hostie on a flight from Avalon to Brisbane (on Crapstar) slam the toilet door into a baby's face (babe was in a mum's arms) - kid screamed, was PURELY an accident, but the hostie stormed up the aisle like the mum had done something wrong by possibly denting the toilet door with the kid's face - NO APOLOGY.

Anyway - list of AIRPORTS I have arrived / departed to / from....

- Perth
- Pearce RAAF Base
- Fairbairn RAAF Base (aslo CBR Domestic)
- Richmond RAAF Base
- Edinburgh RAAF Base
- Laverton RAAF Base
- Adelaide
- Alice Springs (according to my mother)
- Tullamarine
- Avalon
- Albury
- Wagga Wagga
- Sydney Domestic
- Brisbane
- Maryborough (QLD)
- Rockhampton
- Mackay
- Townsville
- Cairns
- Learmonth
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 03:05

Some cool vids on YouTube (sorry - 3 posts I know but this stuff is COOL):

C130 Hurricane Hunter "Riders on the Storm":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYfl-inCw8&feature=related

P3 Orion through the Eye of Katrina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT5K6FR_eVs&feature=related

St Maarten (Netherlands Antilles)- SXM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmDuXO_k6E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAPjOSrkC84&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IRv_YBazpY

Other Cool Stuff:

Birdstrike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35FVYzf0uiY&feature=related

MD80 Aborted Landing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBlte12Upyk

Overwater 'Hard' Landing at SFO (FUNNY):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22zzat-_Y3I

Remember - "Shift Happens"...

Low Passover By TAP Portugal A310:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk

Enjoy!
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 04:17

Any yootoob videos of St Maartens landings.. are amazing.
That is one of my goals in life, to go there and be forced into the ocean when they spool up for takeoff laugh

Im a sick puppy, but love my planes wink
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 09:56

same dale, ive spent hours watchin all those videos, its insane how close some of them get.

I think Jetstar is alright, they serve me alcohol and im a minor laugh
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 11:04

this is from the latest Qantas drama

But passenger Beverley Doors from Phillip Island says she and her husband were left without access to an oxygen mask for about three minutes as the plane lost altitude.

"When the oxygen [masks] came down, some didn't come down," she said.

"Ours didn't come down, and my husband just about went out to it, because he didn't have any oxygen for about three minutes, that's the way it happened."
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 11:25

Hey folks, lets keep the Qantas plane drama's in that thread hey.

i love watching the you tube vids of St Maartens, awesome stuff.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 11:46

Heh I remember of 1 going around where a person lost all bowel control as they were quietly lying on the beach.. then a 747 practically lands on top of them. Thats my kind of airport!
Posted by: Dave (Strike3)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2008 15:07

Not quite a 747 but its a lot more fuel efficient...

A little too much hail around for me today...

Not really the weather I WANT for flying my new machine...

Posted by: Listy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2008 01:06

I'm more of a lurker than a regular poster, but I thought I'd chime in with my recent experience aboard the Airbus A380, as no one else seems to have mentioned flying aboard it yet.

My fiance and I had the pleasure of flying onboard the Airbus A380 from Singapore to London in early April, (just a couple of weeks after it began operating on that route with Singapore Airlines). It came as a bit of a surprise, as our itinerary listed us as flying on a 747 (the A380 wasn't even in service when we booked our tickets!)

The A380 we were aboard was 9V-SKA, the very first A380 to enter commercial service. It's quite a special feeling to sit down in your seat and realise that you're onboard what might one day become a piece of aviation history, sitting in a giant museum hangar (perhaps at Changi Airport).

Our trip also involved medium & long haul flights aboard a 777 and 747 (all Singapore Airlines), and from my perspective as self-loading-freight, the A380 beats them both by a mile.

The creature comforts - seating, lighting, bathroom facilities, entertainment etc, are all superior. Our standard economy seats really felt more like a premium economy service.

Obviously, the creature comforts can all (or mostly) be upgraded on existing aircraft but the A380 has two big, (and on a long haul flight), very noticeable advantages over existing aircraft. Its noticeably quieter inside - in fact I couldn't hear the engines at all (except on takeoff), despite sitting right 'behind' them on the lower deck (aircon & ventilation is still audible though). And secondly, the internal air pressure is higher, so you don't disembark from your flight feeling like you've spent the night halfway up Mount Everest (a slight exaggeration smile ). I managed a decent ~4-5 hours of sleep between central Afghanistan and the western edge of the Ukraine, which is the first time I've ever actually slept onboard a plane. The inflight meals were terrific also - whether that was Singapore Air service, or the result of nice new galley facilities, I'm not sure, but it was jolly good stuff! smile

Our landing at Heathrow was delayed by about 20 minutes, which turned out to be real bonus, because we were treated to an absolutely glorious view of London as we did a couple of laps in the crisp clear air of an early spring morning.

Despite being a full flight, it never felt crowded - lots of bathrooms all round, and boarding at Changi was a breeze - took about 20 minutes to get everyone onboard & seated. Disembarking at Heathrow was slow however, as the terminal facilities were being refurbished, and the temporary gantry was broken and had to be wheeled into place manually by a group of very unhappy looking airport staff! :rolleyes: Still, at least we weren't sent to the infamous Terminal 5!

My only two minor 'complaints' are that A) I never got a decent look at the plane (it was nighttime at Singapore, and the gantry blocked the view at Heathrow), and B) the entertainment system lacks a really decent strategy game smile There's no better way to make 12 hours pass by in the blink of an eye than a good game of Civilisation!

This is about the best view I got of the A380, just after disembarking at Heathrow:


I finally got my first decent view of an A380 while I was in Sydney last weekend for work. There was one parked at the airport as our plane landed at about 8am, and then at about lunchtime I was outside chatting to a workmate and suddenly there she was, rising up out of the trees right in front of us smile Not the prettiest aircraft ever built, that's for sure, but still an incredible engineering achievement, and I'm sure they'll be around for some time yet.

cheers,
Mark.
Posted by: Instability

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2008 10:32

Mark,

I am extremely jealous. Can't wait to get on board an A380 for a nice long-haul trip.

Rog.
Posted by: DavidC

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2008 19:05

Quote:
Originally posted by Listy:
I'm more of a lurker than a regular poster, but I thought I'd chime in with my recent experience aboard the Airbus A380, as no one else seems to have mentioned flying aboard it yet.
Mark.
Nice pic Mark.

I've flown in the A380 a few times and it is quite an experience. If in cattle class, it is best to request upper deck as it is much more cosy - and, of course, is very quiet. In fact economy, upper deck in the A380 with Singapore airlines, 10 inch monitors and all, is as good a ride as business class in UAL without a doubt.

As mentioned above, the A380 is incredibly quiet - I filmed a take-off out of Sydney and it is as quiet as it appears in this clip (**sorry no time to compress atm...this is a large avi file but only low-res camera quality video so don't bother wasting download if it's an issue!)
http://www.thunderbolttours.com/temp/MVI_1459.AVI

Not keen myself on the red eye flights so generally resort to 747-400 from Singapore in to Sydney. First pic is the A380, at Changhi, viewed from 747 -- definitely weird to feel even a tad small in a 747!



The wings are enormous and when the pilot played with the ailerons before takeoff, you knew you were on a state-of-the-art-beast.

A few shots of the stairwell at the back of the A380:


Upper deck - economy:


Lower Deck - economy:

Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2008 20:13

thanks guys, great reading.
i would dearly love to enjoy the a380. there was a thread created on the a380 and its first trip downunder a few years ago. i went out to tullamarine to see it, was amazed at how the beast dwarfed a 737-800 that went past it.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/08/2008 22:58

nice report in 'The Age' today about the Ansett flight sim training centre in Melbourne
http://www.theage.com.au/news/victoria/take-a-boeing-for-a-joyflight/2008/07/24/1216492633782.html
as part of the the hotel package, you are able to fly a 737 or 767 flight sim for an hour!
i remember seeing a news story on this centre a few years back. its the only remaining entity of Ansett Airlines, and its still making a profit and running successfully.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2008 04:29

Flew to Perth on Tues - flt was HORRIBLE due to turbulence and a godawful little sprog of a kid that wasn't bored, sick, or had sore ears - it was just a little turd. I started hoping the plane would crash just to shut this evil little ill-disciplined s*h*t of a kid up - alas - IT fell asleep 10 mins before landing. I have video proof of how awful this kid was, and how poorly the parents dealt with it. Everything else was reasonable, other than the PIE for breakfast, and the fact I thought we got shot down rather than landed. Flight home was OK on Thurs - just turbulent. A few pix here:

http://tornadochaser76.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2008 05:15

Finally got to see my first A380 up close and personal yesterday whilst dropping mum off at the Airport.. no idea what airline it was.. L.A.T or something from a distance but my god, that plane dwarfed even the domestic arrivals terminal.

Giant of a thing but looks very graceful.
Posted by: jase72

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2008 08:01

Quote:
Originally posted by tornadochaser_76:
Flew to Perth on Tues - flt was HORRIBLE due to turbulence and a godawful little sprog of a kid that wasn't bored, sick, or had sore ears - it was just a little turd. I started hoping the plane would crash just to shut this evil little ill-disciplined s*h*t of a kid up - alas - IT fell asleep 10 mins before landing. I have video proof of how awful this kid was, and how poorly the parents dealt with it. Everything else was reasonable, other than the PIE for breakfast, and the fact I thought we got shot down rather than landed. Flight home was OK on Thurs - just turbulent. A few pix here:

http://tornadochaser76.blogspot.com/

They serve pies for breakfast?? eek
Posted by: Scud

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2008 08:16

Quote:
Originally posted by jase72:
Quote:
Originally posted by tornadochaser_76:
[b] Flew to Perth on Tues - flt was HORRIBLE due to turbulence and a godawful little sprog of a kid that wasn't bored, sick, or had sore ears - it was just a little turd. I started hoping the plane would crash just to shut this evil little ill-disciplined s*h*t of a kid up - alas - IT fell asleep 10 mins before landing. I have video proof of how awful this kid was, and how poorly the parents dealt with it. Everything else was reasonable, other than the PIE for breakfast, and the fact I thought we got shot down rather than landed. Flight home was OK on Thurs - just turbulent. A few pix here:

http://tornadochaser76.blogspot.com/
They serve pies for breakfast?? eek [/b]
laugh If your not a fan of pies then dont fly Air New Zealand trans-tasman lol. I swear I have had a pie nearly every flight!
Posted by: Helen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/08/2008 22:57

Quote:
Originally posted by Scud:
laugh If your not a fan of pies then dont fly Air New Zealand trans-tasman lol. I swear I have had a pie nearly every flight!
I'm on a flight from Adelaide to Auckland next Tuesday (no stop-overs), I'll let you know whether they served pies for that flight as well. wink
Posted by: zoso-wx

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/08/2008 01:10

LOL never had a pie on any flight yet. Probably better than half the food that you get on some of the lesser known international flights. Have seen many a light show and had a hell of a lot of flights but not many standout from an eventful point of view. Pretty full on duststorm in Vegas last year was interesting, as was the turbulence on the Darwin-Melb flight I got last Christmas, at one point the plane did a massive right turn in a hurry for a reason I don't think I want to know about lol. Passing through the doldrums and ITCZ over the tropics always lets the dinner settle well haha.

Airports been;

All cap cities numerous times plus Alice and Cairns in Aust
Bangkok, Singapore, Bahrain, London, Paris, Amsterdam, Dublin, Nadi, Auckland, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Houston, Miami, Seoul, Vancouver, Kingston (Jamaica)

Airlines;

Qantas, KLM, Aer Lingus, British Airways, Singapore Airways, Jetstar, VB, Air Pacific, Continental, SkyWest, Air Jamaica, Air NZ, Ansett (way back when), Korean Air

Best food;

- Air NZ from Auckland to LAX (awful on return flight)
- Korean Air from Seoul to LAX (see above)

Best service;

- KLM
- Air Pacific
- Korean Air
- VB (viewing pleasure and friendliness)

Memorable Weather;

- Any flight from here (Darwin) in the Wet, if not storms here due to monsoon, there will be some rippers down Mataranka, Daly Waters, VRD region and sometimes down south as well.

- Massive cells over Cuba last year on the way back from Jamaica to Miami

- Huge TX/E NM multicells on the following flight the next day from Houston to LAX

- Light show over India in late June 93 going Amsterdam - Bangkok

Other awesome sights;

- Grand Canyon from above (Vancouver - Phoenix)
- Himilayas in the distance June 93
- Flying over the reefs south of Miami towards Cuba, water is insanely clear
- Seeing how MASSIVE Los Angeles and its boroughs are from the air as you approach from the S or SW from any southern hemisphere destination
- Flying into Vegas at dusk is pretty cool too with the strip starting to light up

That is all rofl

:cheers:

Forgot one hehe,

Best Airport

- Seoul is awesome, from when I landed to the hotel nearby was 45mins total. Lots of shops and so forth to keep you occupied as well

- Singapore is incredible as well

Worst Airport;

- LAX EASILY (main reason I fly into there is that the cheapest car hire is from LA, plus you get to drive across to the plains through some of the best scenery anywhere in the world). Over officious customs ppl, even the bloody baggage clerks seem to want to know where you are going, what are you doing etc etc. No shops, overcrowded, too small the list goes on.

- Special mention to Vancouver arrivals, the line goes FOREVER if there are any more than 3 flights.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/08/2008 06:40

Just had our kiwi olympians fly in on an Air NZ 777.. from here I could watch it on the last few minutes before it touched down.. then an impromptu "haka" by the ground and baggage staff at AKL as the captain shut the engines down.. very nice to see that, made my day. And for once, the skys have cleared and its nice, warm and sunny for them. smile

ED: Dont know if there were any pies on board James :p
Posted by: Mrs Doc

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/08/2008 17:02

Quote:
Originally posted by Helen S:
Quote:
Originally posted by Scud:
[b] laugh If your not a fan of pies then dont fly Air New Zealand trans-tasman lol. I swear I have had a pie nearly every flight!
I'm on a flight from Adelaide to Auckland next Tuesday (no stop-overs), I'll let you know whether they served pies for that flight as well. wink [/b]
I'd happily take a pie over the "beef and cucumber" sandwich they scraped off the runway to serve us on Monday.

I managed to somehow bring myself to remove the gelatinous lettuce, white processed cheese, weird looking and strangely coloured cucumber (might have been a gherkin actually QANTAS... there is a difference and I refuse to eat the latter and don't want it touching my lunch dammit!) from within the layers of "beef"... more like "sliced fat with brown meat-like-product" and stale rough brown bread. By the time I'd eaten (I tried to not over think it) it was time to give them back their leftovers and land... I really am not fussed at all with QANTAS. They don't float my boat on any occasion, this holiday even less than usual.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/08/2008 11:44

Quote:
Originally posted by Mrs Doc:
Quote:
Originally posted by Helen S:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Scud:
[qb] laugh If your not a fan of pies then dont fly Air New Zealand trans-tasman lol. I swear I have had a pie nearly every flight!
I'm on a flight from Adelaide to Auckland next Tuesday (no stop-overs), I'll let you know whether they served pies for that flight as well. wink [/b]
I'd happily take a pie over the "beef and cucumber" sandwich they scraped off the runway to serve us on Monday.

:rofl: :rofl:
Speaking of airline food, i can remember years ago ansett used to serve dryed fruit which looked like it had been run over by a 747 eek
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/08/2008 21:38

i flew jetstar from melb to tville last week. we had a drunk on the plane. the departure was held up as the crew discussed with the cockpit what to do with him. the senior stewardess spoke to him sternly, saying he would not be served alcohol, he must remain quiet and try to sleep thru the flight. my intial thoughts, was as soon as we are up in the air this guy will start up. well it didnt even take that long, as soon as we taxied, he started up, louding yelling stupid comments, before one of the hosties told him from her jumpseat to be quiet or he will be kicked off before take off. that kept him quiet until cruising altitude before he started up again.
at times he was telling everyone off cause he was being treated unfairly, blah blah blah. the crew were very patient with him despite his ramblings and yelling. one male hostie got a bit agro when he threatened one of the girls on board. but again the senior told him to get to the front of the plane, while she again dealt with the drunk.
upon arrival at townsville two police officers, and two security staff were there to talk to him in the airport. on the way out, i made sure the police knew that the jetstar crew did a great job controlling the guy thru the flight and what a pain he was. cause i could just imagine what this drunk was going to say them about how 'he' was treated. the cops appreciated the input!
Posted by: percy_04

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/08/2008 13:58

Quote:
Originally posted by jase72:
Quote:
Originally posted by tornadochaser_76:
[b] Flew to Perth on Tues - flt was HORRIBLE due to turbulence and a godawful little sprog of a kid that wasn't bored, sick, or had sore ears - it was just a little turd. I started hoping the plane would crash just to shut this evil little ill-disciplined s*h*t of a kid up - alas - IT fell asleep 10 mins before landing. I have video proof of how awful this kid was, and how poorly the parents dealt with it. Everything else was reasonable, other than the PIE for breakfast, and the fact I thought we got shot down rather than landed. Flight home was OK on Thurs - just turbulent. A few pix here:

http://tornadochaser76.blogspot.com/
They serve pies for breakfast?? eek [/b]
laugh and tomato juice, the air hostess on the skywest flight we were on asked everyone what htey would like to drink - orange juice, tomato juice and another one (can't remember what). i asked for orange juice, she poured me a tomato juice, guy next to me asked for orage juice, got tomato juice. people in front of me... same deal.

Have flown a reasonable amount of times. mainly with Qantas, but also virgin, jetstar, ansett, skywest, Rex and on a private 4 seater. all good fun. have never had a bad exp flight wise.. i think as bad as it gets is the hostess coming over the intercom and telling us the rattling noise we may be hearing is just ice cubes in the air conditioning (ok?).

Cheers
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/09/2008 12:11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp7ckkrJ6hg
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/09/2008 12:17

The jumbo in the above link takes off in a 1000 feet,hope it works now :doh:
Posted by: Instability

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/09/2008 14:38

Hey, get to add a new aircraft type to my previous list laugh . Went to Adelaide for a few days and flew on one of Virgin Blue's new E190's. What a stunning aicraft for a regional jet. It still had that new-aircraft smell :cheers:

Rog.
Posted by: Power Storm

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/09/2008 18:22

Anyone flying into Melbourne tomorrow are sure to get some turbulance... Extremely strong winds and severe thunderstorms possible.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:03

How NOT to land an MD11

Amazing footage from Narita Int (RJAA) this morning.
Looks very 'wx' involved.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:12

Thats gotta be the most amazing crash footage ive ever seen,{just happened too} a bit like the Sioux city crash of 1989, where the plane cartwheeled, similar plane, tho that was a DC-10.
Yet this is much more dramatic
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:23

They are the same aircraft, just renamed as the MD11 after many years of service faults.
But yeah.. pretty full on smile
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:25

Yeah your right , i think they call them MD-DC-10s or something.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:29

Be interesting to grab a sonde from there.. reports that the crew were trying to execute a go around but were below the limits hence biting the dust, whatever hit that aircraft did with obvious force as shown above!
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2009 15:44

Did the crew survive, cause it dosent look good.
EDIT Just answered that 2 dead
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.planecrash/index.html
Posted by: Mikezoom

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2009 11:42

Hey all,

Off to Hawaii next Wed the 1st for my honeymoon. Will take video of the landing and hopefully post it up once back.

BTW: Anyone from Wagga Wagga just see/hear the F111 that just did a flyover??? Is this from the Avalon Air show?

Mike. smile
Posted by: bigwilly

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2009 13:26

I heard a jet, but thought nothing of it as it was a fair distance away.

Have fun ( wink ) on your honeymoon there Mike! Just don't mix up any videos and post the wrong one... laugh

:cheers: Will
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2009 17:43

I took this last year in August, landing at Sydney Airport from Maroochydore (Virgin) who knew the wings were hollow? eek not me that's for sure.

I like how the shadow comes up to meet the plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_Gek3T4yg
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/03/2009 22:18

I like that Fossy - its always cool landing over water - gives an extra buzz - Brissy, Sydney and Learmonth are nice for the views....
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/03/2009 22:41

looking very, very likely that Townsville will host an airshow in either sept or oct this year. the airforce is keen, just needs government approval apparantly.
the thunderbirds from the US are rumoured to be booked in. will be to celebrate The Strand's 10th birthday.
meanwhile next tuesday i am flying virgin direct from tville to canberra (on way to melb), these are part of 4new routes that virgin has started up out of townsville.
will be in the newish Embraer E-Jet's which i have never flown in, so will be nice hopefully. never been to canberra for that matter, only 1 hour stopover though!
Posted by: soda

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2009 16:46

wow, I saw the US Blue Angles as a teenager over Brighton Pier around 1983ish. One of the best things I've ever seen.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2009 20:41

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick10:
looking very, very likely that Townsville will host an airshow in either sept or oct this year. the airforce is keen, just needs government approval apparantly.
the thunderbirds from the US are rumoured to be booked in. will be to celebrate The Strand's 10th birthday.
meanwhile next tuesday i am flying virgin direct from tville to canberra (on way to melb), these are part of 4new routes that virgin has started up out of townsville.
will be in the newish Embraer E-Jet's which i have never flown in, so will be nice hopefully. never been to canberra for that matter, only 1 hour stopover though!
A one hour stopover is more than enough.

The best view of Canberra is the one you get as you are leaving.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2009 20:56

Mmmm...that's interesting there Mick10. Virgin do not fly the Public Servants bus service from Sydney to Canberra on the hour every hour.....only Qantas and Citylink (Qantas) do. Virgin only fly the Mel to Can service.

Townsville to Canberra direct. Now that's a quantum leap!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2009 23:26

yeah they are all new routes garyk. ybtl-yscb, ybtl-ybcs, tvl-ybrk and ybtl-ybcg all starting this monday. virgin only announced them about a month ago.
my flight is DJ1888, 915am, arrive 1200. then DJ268 depart 1305 arrive 1410 in melbourne.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 19:57

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick10:
yeah they are all new routes garyk. ybtl-yscb, ybtl-ybcs, tvl-ybrk and ybtl-ybcg all starting this monday. virgin only announced them about a month ago.
my flight is DJ1888, 915am, arrive 1200. then DJ268 depart 1305 arrive 1410 in melbourne.
One hour Canberra to Melbourne is NOT too quick.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:20

If you are an inaugural, promotional Virgin you might get fed, say Hello to Sarah for me! The ham, cheese, tomato sandwiches at $6.50 are a good go and cheaper than the Terminal food in Canberra.

I flew Syd-Per and Per-Syd last week in Virgin Blue Zone??????? $21 on JB's and coke got me home.

Qantas are still the best!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:35

am travelling with the family so we will be taking our own food on board.
we are flying home on qantas!
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:44

My other bits (wife + daughter) are flying Syd-Townville next Wednesday then bussing it to Cairns. Flying back Tuesday after Easter. All the way with Qantas, on my Frequent Flyers while they still last.

Have fun in the national capital. Read a book, any book, would be more interesting!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:45

will be a toilet run, drinks break and then reboard i think! which side of the plane should we sit so we can see parly house if we are flying south?
Posted by: NigelS

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:49

Can anyone tell me what weather is bad for turbulance, high's, lows, close isobars etc?

Im flying into Brisbane next Tuesday night and i hate flying.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 20:59

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick10:
will be a toilet run, drinks break and then reboard i think! which side of the plane should we sit so we can see parly house if we are flying south?
Right hand side looking forward. Window seats are F in a 737-800 which most Virgins are. Pre book your seat on the internet.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:02

I think seat F would be the right hand side on 99% of any 737s
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:14

Rows 12-14 are over the wing and are in the Blue Zone = more leg room if you get the emergency exit....don't think they allow kids in emergency rows!. So if piccy taking is your wont, sit further back.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:28

Quote:
Originally posted by NigelS:
Can anyone tell me what weather is bad for turbulance, high's, lows, close isobars etc?

Im flying into Brisbane next Tuesday night and i hate flying.
I flew into Cairns with TC Hamish 200km's off the coast. The pilot warned of moderate turbulance. It was a breeze with a few bumps. Have had more bumps flying to Canberra without the pilot's warning.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:36

The worst weather to land in is a thunderstorm with a downburst Nigel. They tend to ram the plane into the ground and cause it to explode.

Speaking of which ,anyone wanting to see an amazing plane crash should go to the movies and watch "the knowing". The plane crash in that had my heart racing.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:42

Yeah, you have to agree with that. I watched a few land at Mascot this morning. A few brown stains on the seats I would imagine. 10 - 20 degree corrections to the horizon just before landing.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/04/2009 21:44

Quote:
Originally posted by garyk:
Yeah, you have to agree with that. I watched a few land at Mascot this morning. A few brown stains on the seats I would imagine. 10 - 20 degree corrections to the horizon just before landing.
However extreme local weather is pre-programmed and flights are diverted.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/04/2009 04:06

Quote:
Originally posted by NigelS:
Can anyone tell me what weather is bad for turbulance, high's, lows, close isobars etc?

Im flying into Brisbane next Tuesday night and i hate flying.
Hot & clear weather....sends updrafts that hit the plane like...well...updrafts.....and you generally can't see them. (other than storms).

Just put your seatbelt on... you'll be fine. Brissy is a top city to takeoff / land in - this time of the year should be OK - you will get crosswinds on the runway most times, but they are mostly not noticeable. The view will be tops wherever you sit - a landing over Moreton Bay is alwas cool, but if not - you will get a great view of either the eastern suburbs, Gateway Bridge, or the city depending on what side of the plane you are on. One of the best airports in the country aswell.
Posted by: Wingnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 18:56

Quote:
Originally posted by NigelS:
Can anyone tell me what weather is bad for turbulance, high's, lows, close isobars etc?

Im flying into Brisbane next Tuesday night and i hate flying.
Bad flying conditions: Extreme vertical motion (Thunderstorms, microbursts) or extreme horizontal motion (thunderstorms again, high winds, severe wind shear) or combinations, particularly if affected by geography (ranges, escarpments - eg lee wave and rotor)

So from this the worst flying weather would normally be associated with troughs and lows, or fronts, or closely spaced isobars.

Flying into Brisbane the ranges are fairly low to the W, and any turbulence would be probably due to vertical air motion - thermals or storms.

If you are worried by weather and flying, then try to arrange a flight arriving early - mornings are usually more benign, regardless of the synoptic situation. Less heat energy, often lighter winds.

Some references that may help?

See Rec Aviation Aust Wx

See Fearless flyers and About FF

and of course check BOM and WZ and the Aus Severe Wx sites.

Remember, no matter how rough or smooth, the aircrew are doing their best to make you as comfortable as possible in the circumstances. Air Traffic Control are usually very helpful with weather diversions and vectors into smoothest air.

I hope this helps. wink

Edit: 500th post
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 19:17

Just think about the guys who fly iresspective of the weather.

Ever heard of the Hurricane Hunters?

http://www.hurricanehunters.com/

And I agree Wingnut the clear air turbulance is the most disconcerting.
Posted by: NigelS

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 19:22

Thanks folks, really dont like it, in fact will take 2 x valium 1 hour before boarding..
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 19:29

A double black Johnnie Walker with ice at the terminal is de rigeur, unless of course you are the pilot!

I am always wondering what is likely to happen if I am not the driver of the vehicle. Give them their credit, they really do know what is happenning. They have to do it day in and day out.

Trust Johnnie Walker and watch the wonderful cloud formations in awe!
Posted by: Wingnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 19:42

Many people don't like the turbulence. That's a normal apprehension. A snooze and relaxation will help, as will knowledge and understanding of current conditions during the flight.

As pax, whisky has a lot going for it laugh
SMWS
Bakery Hill
W Portal
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 20:20

A bit of turbulence is always fun, breaks the monotony on long haul flights.. amazing exactly how much the wings on a 747-400 can flex!

Even more fun hitting the jetstream at flight level 390 in said 747, encountering above turbulence for a good 45 minutes.. it was like someone slapping the back of the jet with a giant hand, gained a good 20 minutes from it!
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 21:31

Yeah Dale it was good picking up 40 minutes in a recent flight grom Perth to Sydney in the Jet Stream. Peaked at 597mph at 42,000ft.

The bumps, which were few, was like riding a jetski!
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/04/2009 21:39

And for the gender challenged it was with a female pilot on Virgin!
Posted by: NigelS

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/04/2009 18:54

Well i did it, hated it. Had a panic attack about half way from Darwin to Brissy, a little rough, some turbulance and some more coming into land. Now going to buy car and drive home back to Karratha, over 6000km...
Posted by: Thunderstorm Liker

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/04/2009 19:19

Quote:
Originally posted by Wingnut:
Remember, no matter how rough or smooth, the aircrew are doing their best to make you as comfortable as possible in the circumstances. Air Traffic Control are usually very helpful with weather diversions and vectors into smoothest air.
That is so true they do everything they can to keep passengers comfortable they do everything they can to keep the passengers calm and relaxed, i remembered i went through turbulence everyone was calm throughout the flight but at least they get to there destination safely

:cheers:

Michael Mark Rampton
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/04/2009 20:29

Was talking to a colleague about a recent flight to Perth - she said the pilot of the Skywest Fokker F100 was very articulate and calm when providing advice to passengers about what he had to do - he had to put the F100 up to FL420 (well above the normal threshold of the F100) to go above a line of storms between LEA and PER. The wings iced up vigorously, he got over the Cb towers, and put the plane into a virtual shallow dive to shake the ice off the wings. My colleague said it looked awesome when the ice came off in chunks and got chewed by the turbines...

Next flight - LEA to PER for work purposes - I too am a nervous flyer, but a Johnnie Walker never hurts in the terminal!
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/04/2009 23:02

Quote:
Originally posted by NigelS:
Well i did it, hated it. Had a panic attack about half way from Darwin to Brissy, a little rough, some turbulance and some more coming into land. Now going to buy car and drive home back to Karratha, over 6000km...
Good on you NigelS

Are you serious about driving back? A "fear of flying" psychologist might be cheaper. wink
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 09:34

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/800400/emirates-jet-almost-crashed-in-melbourne

The plane that banged it's tail on the ground in Melbourne last month only just took off. eek
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 10:24

Coming in to San Fran from SLC in a smallish commuter jet last month, they had extreme high winds and rain. Flights had been delayed because of it (luckily my connection onto the flight to oz was a long one).

I got very concerned as we were coming in and you could see and feel the wind, and the pilot landed at SPEED. I know that's a tactic for high winds and wind shear. He put it down at the fastest I've landed at and then put on everything to slow it down.
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 10:28

Quote:
Originally posted by ColdFront:
The plane that banged it's tail on the ground in Melbourne last month only just took off. eek
That reminds me of a bit of footage from Canberra Airport of a heavy russian plane doing pretty much the same thing. Some kind of ugly carrier plane.

It's a film taken on either someone's phone, or videocam, from the air traffic control tower at Fairbairn, you can hear the guys talking and it's funny, but harrowing. The giant thing is just rolling and rolling.... end of the runway's coming up and it's still rolling.

It barely makes it, metres left on the runway, just clears the fence.

I think it was on youtube or somewhere, does anyone know where it is?
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 11:48

Yeah "ant" i think thats in the u-tube videos thread.
It also dosent say what type of plane it was that had the tail strike in melbourne, probably a 777 or A330..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWtdtuspnoM
Posted by: NigelS

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 12:28

Quote:
Originally posted by garyk:
Quote:
Originally posted by NigelS:
[b] Well i did it, hated it. Had a panic attack about half way from Darwin to Brissy, a little rough, some turbulance and some more coming into land. Now going to buy car and drive home back to Karratha, over 6000km...
Good on you NigelS

Are you serious about driving back? A "fear of flying" psychologist might be cheaper. wink [/b]
Yep, very serious, never again..
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 13:15

The tailstrike aircraft was an Emirates A340 which happened last month and only today has the seriousness of it come to light.. and the other in Canberra was a Russian Ilyushin IL-76 freighter.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 13:27

Ah an A340, they said fully laden 225 people , and im sure an A340 takes over 350 people.
Typical media getting the facts wrong, am i surprised...NO
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 14:39

Maybe they were all extral large people RG? It would also explain the need for the whole runway.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 14:48

It was all the bling on board the craft, youll know what I mean if youve ever flown Emirates! :p
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/04/2009 15:13

Probably true on both fronts CF, and Dale
Least it didnt end in disaster, not matter how safe we are in Australia, ive always thought a major crash in Australia would be that of a foreign airline.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2009 20:57

i flew on one of the embraer E170's from Townsville to Canberra last week. what a lovely aircraft to fly in. totally enjoyed the flight. 4seats across, 2x2. nice and quiet. flew very smooth. and decent leg room to boot.

i booked seats on the right hand side for landing at canberra, alas we went around and landed from the south, so i was on the wrong side! on the 737 to melb same deal. was on the right, but the plane banked left on a northward take off and missed a perfect view on central canberra once we swung to the south.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2009 22:23

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick10:
i flew on one of the embraer E170's from Townsville to Canberra last week. what a lovely aircraft to fly in. totally enjoyed the flight. 4seats across, 2x2. nice and quiet. flew very smooth. and decent leg room to boot.

i booked seats on the right hand side for landing at canberra, alas we went around and landed from the south, so i was on the wrong side! on the 737 to melb same deal. was on the right, but the plane banked left on a northward take off and missed a perfect view on central canberra once we swung to the south.
Sorry about that because I think I suggested right side seats F. South approach landing would need left side seats A to view Parliament House. You should have changed to left side for take off for the swing south after a north take off.. Hope you had a good flight anyway.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2009 22:37

oh no its wasnt a problem mate. was a great flight down as i said the E170 is a great little plane. loved it.
canberra airport is a hole though, thought it would be pretty nice, not even a decent place to eat lunch while waiting for our next plane. new terminal will hopefully be better.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2009 23:10

It is a bus terminal for interstate public servants. The Qantas lounge is cool but for the casual traveller the rest of the terminal is the pits given that it is the National Capital. Even the server persons (read political correct waiters) at the coffee shop move less as quick than public servants.

New Terminal? Infrastructure package? The whole precinct is privately owned, heredity of a local sheep farming family, including the airport itself. Terry Snow leases everything back to the Fed. including the shopping complex and Government offices. Amazing stuff.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2009 21:00

We came in waaaaay too low into PER yesterday - pilot had it on manual aswell.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFaBLxUIZI4

(P.S - LANGUAGE WARNING!!!!)
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2009 21:17

After the recent crash in Amsterdam, there is apparently a monitoring of the computer landing computer altimeter on all 737-800's. The Amsterdam crash may have been caused by a computer altitude reading being incorrect and therefore changing the plane's oreintation close to landing.

Virginblue pilots are directed to manually check and therefore override any "incorrect" computer altitude readings on landing approaches. They are have been directed to have "hands on" for landing in preparation for overriding the computers readings.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2009 23:43

nice vid TC. we had a very rough landing into melbourne from canberra on a virgin 737-800 two weeks back. made alot of people yelp, it even jarred my lower back for a few seconds it was that hard.

i was at sydney for about an hour yesterday changing flights. got to see an emirates a380 taking off, nice to watch in flight. it looks so awkward compared with the 747 though.
i flew a 767-300 from syd-bri. glad i did as i am sure qantas will be in a rush to get rid of the last of them once the economic climate improves. they are getting old now. i wanted to go on one just incase i didnt get the chance again.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2009 23:53

That was a pretty low approach, cant believe they still fly those old dinosaurs in WA smile
Ive only ever seen the A380 fly over penrith, they seem to just crawl across thr sky, cause there so big.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/04/2009 01:43

The F100 WAS a top aircraft in its time - but it is past the used by date....Fokkers have a good safety record, but - upon landing in Perth - I am assuming we were hit by a downdraft, as well as underestimation by the pilot, as well as crosswind. THAT was the ROUGHEST landing I've ever experienced, and I have flown 60 odd times?

WAY too low.....the F100 was on low throttle, on a low glidepath, manually controlled with minimum stick to prevent stall...THEN - Pilot had to rev up to max throttle, put the plane up onto the runway threshold, and smacked it into the piano keys like he had made a last minute decision to abort landing....then we bounced, and copped the crosswind.....

If I were a Skywest engineer i'd be checking the undercarriage for metal fatigue!
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/04/2009 14:48

Actually i love flying on all the old birds, my first flight was onboard an Ansett airlines of Australia DC-9, boy were they loud, if you were sitting at the back near the engines, especially on touchdown, tho they dont fly in Australia neither do the 727s, except on overnight cargo trips.
Would also love to fly in a 707, as far as i know there is only one airline in the world, Iran i think that still flies them
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/04/2009 16:12

HeavyLift still operate the 72's.. remember flying them when operated by TAA & exiting via the rear.. also before they were put out of service on the southern route from Brisbane, my old place being Jimboomba you could still hear them as they were passing over the Laravale VOR & even further again on some nights. Then they introduced the hush kits on the engines & just outright shipped them offshore, except for the freights.

If youre interested, or anyone else for that matter.. cannot remember where I got this link from but it will keep you entertained for hours watching all the traffic around YBBN..

http://www.balus.info/

Click on the ADS-B radar & knock yourself out.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 14:56

That links mad Dale, and i have been watching for hours cool
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 16:00

great link dale, thanks.
question though. on the add-b radar page, what does the red, green and orange symbols mean next the to flight details on the right of screen?
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 18:31

Green is in transit, amber I believe on ascent/descent and red obviously a stop.. its not 100% correct, not all traffic displayed on right of screen will show up on radar, a lot of craft are in transit mode. The best time ive found out to see the big guns come through is from 0600 AEST onwards.. all the asian carriers coming into YSSY and YBBN.. the occasional A380 & russian Antonov freights.. only if they are squawking mode S.

Quote:
Mode S features
Mode S transponders broadcast information about the aircraft to the Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) system, TCAS receivers on board aircraft and to the ADS-B SSR system. This information includes the call sign of the aircraft and/or the transponder's permanent ICAO 24-bit address in the form of a hex code.
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 19:04

Canberra often has those "bump and yelp" landings.....I have had several and don't know why. I think they were always in 737-***. Maybe this problem has been around for awhile.

But read this:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/...h-at-amsterdam/

The A-380's are a wonderous sight to see taking off and landing, aren't they?
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 19:54

Pilot error?
The correct QNH was not punched into the computers?
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2009 20:22

So are you saying there is no problem with 737-800 systems or do you know something else?

Ben Sandilands has been around for some time as an aviation reporter. He was at the Daily Telegraph in 1963.

We will see when the final report is delivered. And, I think you may be correst.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2009 09:24

Air France 296

Im sure a lot of people here know of this crash.. i do remember it to the day as it happened.. and if you read through the report (which is only 1 of many) it was a similar finding. The altimeter was reading 100ft when the craft itself was actually only 30ft.

The amateur vision of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EM0hDchVlY

And yes, I know of the Sandilands & that Ben gets around here wink
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2009 01:55

Quote:
Originally posted by -Dale-:
Air France 296
The altimeter was reading 100ft when the craft itself was actually only 30ft.

The amateur vision of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EM0hDchVlY

And yes, I know of the Sandilands & that Ben gets around here wink
What about the one that was reading -10ft.....sounds like a
"bump and yelp" touchdown to me.

I don't give much credit to youtube in this regard.

I have however landed at Lukla in 1971. Try that on youtube.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2009 02:48

Ive wondered or heard somewhere that the A320 crash that the plane went into landing mode, and couldnt pull out, to put it simply.
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2009 09:40

I love this clip as the plane does a curved approach whilst being metres away from the hill on final. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shti4brylgw&NR=1
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2009 10:01

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flNux3I8KCs&NR=1
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2009 21:42

Virgin 737-800's for SYD-MEL-SYD tomorrow. Weather predictably unpredictable, but I love the bumps.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/04/2009 18:32

EK 407

The Melbourne Emirates A340 tailstrike.
It was shown here on 3 news earlier.. the crew miscalculated the weight of the aircraft by 100 tons when entering the data into the FMC's (flight management computers)

Both crew of the above flight have since resigned.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/04/2009 19:14

yeah it was pretty well covered on the news nation wide here dale.
i was travelling on a Virgin E170 from Tville to Canberra last month. they asked 4 of us to move from back to the front due to weight loading at the back of the plane. unfort not far enough to the front to be in premium economy, but thats life smile
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/04/2009 21:54

[QUOTE]Originally posted by -Dale-:
EK 407

The Melbourne Emirates A340 tailstrike.
It was shown here on 3 news earlier.. the crew miscalculated the weight of the aircraft by 100 tons when entering the data into the FMC's (flight management computers)

Both crew of the above flight have since resigned.
[/QUOTE

Didn't they get their wings amputated first?

100 tons or tonnes? That is amasing, the former more so than the latter.

Mick10, you need some gym time if they moved you because of weight. They always put me forward of the wings. laugh
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2009 16:42

I remember years ago when i was younger watching all these 727s etc taking off at Sydney airport, in them days you could get up close and personal.
At Sydney today you probably be shot, thanx to terrorists :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWBH9-3daM
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2009 21:01

The metal detectors are a joke. In Sydney yesterday my shoes set off the alarm and I had to go back, take them off and put them through the X-ray.

In Melbourne I walked through, shoes on, and didn't set off the alarm.

My "metal" wrist watch never sets off the alarm!
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2009 21:34

Quote:
Originally posted by rain gauge:
I remember years ago when i was younger watching all these 727s etc taking off at Sydney airport, in them days you could get up close and personal.
At Sydney today you probably be shot, thanx to terrorists :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWBH9-3daM
Up close and personal was an experience enjoyed at Kathmandu airport in 1971. A chillum of prohibitive substance and lay on the ground at the end of the runway. A spine tingling blast of deafening proportion. Silly buggers we were. And 727's were big planes in those days. The biggest problem was that the wandering cows might accidentally tread on you during your reverie.

I am now impressed with decibel level of the A380 compared to 747's at take off.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/05/2009 15:03

This would be scary
No one was killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqJ3XQJf9ok
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/07/2009 02:00

I got "airlifted" to hospital on Saturday to Perth - but the RFDS couldn't take me till Sunday - so the Hospital 'PATS'ed me on Skywest, and I got a Fokker F50 flying into Saturday arvo's unbelievably interesting WX in Perth - made for some good fun! (P.S. got back today - a little worse for wear, but glad to be home!)

Vids here:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7SEUqSvlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGxxojI802o
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/07/2009 10:26

Hope you're okay T.C, and that approach didn't shake you up too much. Nice videos. I love Fokkers, love the sound of them. It's also amazing that you're flying over roads and houses etc, and in just a few seconds the wheels are on the runway.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/07/2009 15:27

yeah - woulda killed lesser men ha ha! Thanks for your wishes Fossy - am OK as far as I know - and it was a fun ol' flight!
Posted by: Andy Double U

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2009 11:55

Moral of the story, check your nutz, wheel nutz that is laugh Wonder if they had to call roadside assist to get them going again? wink
Virgin Blue flight loses wheel while taxiing out to runway
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2009 14:05

Not sure what they mean by if it happened in mid flight it would of caused the loss of the aircraft.
Since it was only a wheel, maybe a crash landing perhaps..
Either way im glad it turned out ok for all concerned.
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2009 18:47

Yes, I read that too rain gauge, and wondered at the comment...too bad about the passengers I guess. frown
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/07/2009 19:52

i went on a 10seater twin propelled aircraft from townsville to palm island last week. gee i enjoyed that flight was great. flew back to townsville in a 5seater single engined cessna. got to sit in the co-pilots seat. heavily laden it was still a perfect takeoff, could hardly fell it lift off the ground.
Posted by: Mike M

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2009 13:15

Had my first flight on Virgin Blues new Embraer E190 the other day, the cabin is smaller in width and height than the 737-700 but nice and quiet. Took this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N049pbx2m_E&feature=channel_page
Posted by: terrified

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2009 16:41

Id just like to THANK everyone for sharing their "youtube" movies..

Its an awsome feeling to download them and watch as they reminded me when i was young and my sisters and i use to fly by Ansett to and from Adelaide {the days when Ansett had the 2 red triangles on their tails}..

Thanx again

Craig
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2009 17:09

My first flight was on an Ansett airlines of Australia DC-9..
You needed earplugs those days especially if you boarded via the rear stairs
Posted by: garyk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2009 19:51

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Michael M:
Had my first flight on Virgin Blues new Embraer E190 the other day, the cabin is smaller in width and height than the 737-700 but nice and quiet. Took this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N049pbx2m_E&feature=channel_page
[/QUO

As a Velocity Flyer I am frequently amused by the the humourous banter of the Cabin Crew whenever they have the stage asnd the microphone. You know, the subtle jokes. Whenever there is a celebrity on board let's get the picture in the magazine with the cabin crew.

Try this:

A front wheel fell off a Virgin 737 when taxiing at Melbourne Airport this week.

Can you imagine the sick joke when telling you breakfast will not be served:

"The plane was just tyred!"
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/08/2009 20:40

excellent doco on airforce 1 tonight.
loved seeing the working of the aircraft. i know they probably wouldnt have been able to show alot due to security. but i would like to have seen more about the actual inside of the plane itself, more so than the missions its sent on.
and talk about a money burner, two identical aircraft, flown around the world together, both the most safest and sound aircraft in the world. amazing.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/08/2009 01:13

I saw AF-1 in CBR in '91? when George Bush Snr did a visit... watching it take off was absolutely unbelievable.....esp. on a small runway, which had to be cleared and swept before the plane even got out onto the deck....
Posted by: Blinky_Bill

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/08/2009 14:39

Heres a shot from earlier this year on a flight from Townsville to Brisbane. I think this would have been somewhere around the back of Mackay when taken:
Posted by: cyclonecece

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/08/2009 16:25

Not sure where to post this but it dosent sound too good..August 11, 2009 02:18pm
A CHARTER plane with eight Australians heading to the Kokoda Track is missing having failed to reach its destination in Papua New Guinea.

The Twin Otter, twin engine, plane left the capital Port Moresby this morning at 9.30am (local time) but had failed to return by the afternoon.

Authorities hold fears for the missing 15 people on board, including eight Australians heading to the Kokoda Track, five local porters and two crew.

The plane was transporting the Kokoda Track trekkers as part of an Adventure Kokoda tour group.
Ori Kennia, former Kokoda mayor, told AAP that PNG authorities began ringing him at lunchtime asking if he had seen anything unusual.

"They rang and I told them, the plane they were talking about, I didn't see it come in," he said.

"There is a plane now circling around searching for it
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/08/2009 17:29

Mmm they all seem to be falling from the sky in the last couple of weeks.. the light plane vs helicopter on the Hudson the other day was close to home, the pilot of the chopper was a kiwi locally from Auckland before relocating to the U.S.
Posted by: cyclonecece

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/08/2009 19:04

Not looking to good,hope they find them all safe and well.Nine Australians are aboard a missing Papua New Guinea plane, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) says.

The Airlines PNG flight CG4684 - flying from Port Moresby to Kokoda on Tuesday - is listed as missing after it failed to arrive at its destination.

The airline advised Australian authorities that 11 passengers and two crew were aboard the plane.

The Australians are part of an expedition involving tour operator No Roads Expeditions.
Posted by: cyclonecece

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/08/2009 09:36

A rescue chopper has found the wreckage of a charter plane that went missing near the Kokoda Track with nine Australians on board yesterday.

Papua New Guinea Civil Aviation Authority head Joseph Kinatu has told ABC Radio he did not yet know if there were survivors, but said a radio signal had been received.

"I don't have any specific details at this point in time but I have just been told it has been located," he said.

Mr Kintau could not say how much of the wreck had been found or if there were signs of a fire there, but described the location as "very, very difficult terrain".

Rescuers would reach the area as soon as possible, he said.
Posted by: terrified

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/08/2009 10:40

Quote:
Originally posted by Mick10:
excellent doco on airforce 1 tonight.
loved seeing the working of the aircraft. i know they probably wouldnt have been able to show alot due to security. but i would like to have seen more about the actual inside of the plane itself, more so than the missions its sent on.
and talk about a money burner, two identical aircraft, flown around the world together, both the most safest and sound aircraft in the world. amazing.
Yes i totally agree,,was awsome the way how ONE of the AF1 was towed into the hanger,,and they all left on the second one as it was pre fueled earlier...smart thinking..

I bet the pilots and crew was pleased to of seen the air after George Bush vistitng the troops..

Do we here in Australia have anything like that plane?

Craig
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/08/2009 11:40

Quote:
Originally posted by terrified:


Do we here in Australia have anything like that plane?

Craig [/QB]
Yeah its a BBJ 737.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/08/2009 19:56

used to be the ole 707 refuelers that were refurbished, thankfully they got rid of the fuel guzzlers.
the 737 is pretty swish and alot more economical.
Posted by: terrified

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/08/2009 06:47

Gday R/G..

Thanx for answering my question..

I hope they do a documentry now on our Prime Ministers Plane as they did the one on the AF-1..

Sadly to say,,,i bet they do a story now on the plane that went down in PNG..

Craig
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/09/2009 01:46

Busy thread on Thursday morning? Did VH-OJK manage to get its weary jumbo sized a**** to Sydney?

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26018017-421,00.html
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/12/2009 17:43

Had to make an emergency dash to Christchurch yesterday morning, a Jetstar flight being the first available one & after hearing so many negatives about their service espescially in NZ, I hesitated but booked anyway. The A320-232 VH-VQE arrived not long after I had checked-in & deadset within 20 minutes she was refuelled, cargo reloaded and we were in the air again. Remarkable turnaround time & I must be honest, it was a fantastic flight, helpful bunch of girls in the cabin crew.. 1 hour flight south with the most horrendous approach & landing at NZCH.

Checked back in again this morning for the return leg back here to NZAA & funnily enough, it was the same aircraft & same 4 girls as yesterday, the supervisor recognizing me and saying "welcome back im sure you were on this flight down yesterday morning?"

Indeed.. after a VICIOUS takeoff & ascent (I mean ive flown a lot in my years and hit some turbulence but nothing like feeling the back end swinging around like a top) was a good flight North & soft landing. The Canterbury Nor'west was at play for the weekend hence the washing machine motion in NZCH.

Cannot fault Jetstar, I managed to get window seats 3F down and 2F back which was a bigger bonus. The only thing I CAN fault them on is how the 'f' can you justify such high prices for a simple snack and a wake up coffee. That sucked, but all round, high marks achieved!
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2009 10:45

Originally Posted By: -Dale-
The only thing I CAN fault them on is how the 'f' can you justify such high prices for a simple snack and a wake up coffee.


It's a business model followed by the budget airlines, not sure if it was Ryanair or the US cheapies who pioneered it, but basically every charge you can tack on is to recoup some of the discounting on the fare.

So, 1 kg of excess baggage is mega-pricey, food and drinks, cancellations or changes = big costs.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2009 16:32

I figured that but jeez, if you break it down, for my flight in particular thats $100 times that by a full plane of say 160 people, 1 hour each way so thats about 7 maybe 8 full rotations each day, times that again across the whole fleet, sure there are fuel costs, maintenance, wages, landing and terminal fees but hello...

Still, for the naysayers, give them a go, I was impressed.
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2009 16:51

im waiting on some documents from the AUF..

the bug has bitten me again and ive stumbled across something cheap, that i like gathering dust in a shed..

more details if things develop further..

why an ultralight?...i can only do what i can afford!
Posted by: SBT

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2009 19:13

Many years ago now when I was but a strapping youth of 16 (1972) I was invited to have a look at what was later to become the Ok Tedi mine site. My mum worked for Kennicott Pacific who did all the ground surveys and geological reports. Anyhow we, dad and I flew into a little one tree kanagroo village by beachcraft and the climbed onboard a Bell Sioux helecopter. Yes like the ones in MASH and flew up the river to the falls below the mountain and then onto the mine site. In those days it was just a mountain with several huts and teh landing zone was just hacked into teh side of the mountain and out onto a razor back ridge, in one, the boozer, it had bits and peices of tail rotor with names and dates on them. Trophies of all the crashes the two pilots (Canadian bush pilots and as mad as cut snakes )had had in the previous 12 months. They had from memory put in over a dozen times due to bad light and weather closing in on them but found the trees fairly friendly it would seem. There was even a photo of one of the choppers parked on a rock in the middle of the river where they had run out of fuel looking for a break in the clouds and it was the only place they could set down. I remember the flight out as the mongrel almost flew us into the side of a mountain trying to light a smoke and the flight back to Moresby was another experience I never want to have again. I have never liked flying in small aircarft and I craspped myself on that one. I didn't take any photos but my dad shot 3 or 4 reels of 8mm home movie which no doubt mum threw out after he died. Pity they where pretty spectacular shots comming up the river towards the waterfall.

For some strange reason aircraft accidents used to happen in 3's in PNG. Mostly it was the fly in and out sky pilots (Flying Padres) pushing the envelope a little too hard but occasionally it was a commercial job but noty often.
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/12/2009 09:13

In the 70s I would fly a lot in light planes but the runways were always good WW ....it was what happened in the air sometimes that was dodgey.
A few of us would fly out of Tyabb Vic airport to service or install refrigeration for fishermen out in bass straight and always use the same Cessna 337 to haul our gear around.
we were on King Island putting an Ice maker on the pier in Currie and been there 10 days and bored ...decided we needed R&R and called up our 337 ....was in for a hundred hourly but Capt Jack out of Moorooduc airfield would come and get us.
All he came in was a 172 :rolleyes: ...the old trainer from his flight school.

Three of us blokes piled in and didn't bother with the pleasantries as it was starting to get dark as we climbed out of King Island airport and into a bloody headwind.
Because of the single engine and sensibility we had to fly to Otway first , then along the coast. (twin took us straight across usually)
Jack pointed out that it was going to be a slow trip home with 4 fat arses in the plane ...and a head wind .....and then the biggest arse in the plane says there is a draft in the plane and after a little discussion about it being 4 degrees outside Bob pipes up he's found the problem ."the door latch is on the second catch" and with that pops the door handle ...door jumps out about eight inches and is held there by the airflow and even with Bob pulling with his 17 stone can't shut it again.
Now we can all feel the draft heheheheeee.
We wrapped the seatbelt around the handle and winched the door in but only to find the door doesn't fit in the hole/frame any more. Now Bob panicing heheheeeee ...he doesn't fly well when things are good, let alone when he's sees the airframe is changing shape. heheheee
So we tied the seatbelt off as tight as we could and proceed to freeze to death smile
Planes was making about 80kn ground speed and as soon as we thought we could see Otway we turned right for home.
Arrived over Moorooduc airfield in the dark and lanterns to land by. Jack slid that 172 in and literally slimmed it onto the grass runway and rolled out and stopped and turned to Bob and said "Now ####ing close it!" and it clicked shut like a bought one much to Jacks delight, ...then says to Bob
"Now you know what I meant when I called 'Hatches and harnesses' in preflight...GOT IT!!"

and we all went home to our wives and kids...again wink

there was lots of other stuff happened in that 337...aborted takeoffs were our speciality (tyabb tower in those days was pretty used to asking us on takeoff "will this be the real one or just a practice?" hehehee....oxy bottles and plumbers gear doesn't go well with planes I've found ....and fat mates never helped neither.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/12/2009 10:49

i went on an RAAF Caribou a few months ago. that was a real experience, i loved it. there were about 6 based here at RAAF Base Garbutt until last month when they were officially retired. One of them will be returned to Townsville to be put on permanent display at the base entrance.
but, the plane is so light i thought we would get bumped around inside rather badly. but it was alot smoother than i thought and flies brilliantly. was a great experience.
Pix1
Pix2 Pix3
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/12/2009 20:58

JUst got home from brisbane this week on a A320 ( jetstar ). Have to say that flying through moderate convection upon a base leg on landing is not the most fun i have ever had. Man we dropped hard and fast, i think about everyone pretty much said the same word...even the 10 year ol kid behind me haha.
Posted by: SkylineFFM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 04:16

Hey nice thread! I love aircrafts! cool

I have flown a lot so far, the longest flight was Frankfurt-Orlando. wink
Here is a list from my flights:

Frankfurt-Malaga Aero Llyod A320/A321 2:15 h (very often)
Frankfurt-Malaga Condor B757 2:15 h
Frankfurt-Malaga Hapag Llyod B737 2:15 h
Frankfurt-Berlin Lufthansa B737/A300 0:55 h
Frankfurt-London British Airways B737 1:00 h
London-New York American Airlines B777 7:25 h
Frankfurt-New York Lufthansa A340/A330 8:00 h
Frankfurt-Chicago United Airlines B777 8:30 h
Chicago-Charleston United Airlines B737 1:30 h
Frankfurt-Orlando Lufthansa A340/A330 10:15 h

My last flight was Condor "DE 7339" Malaga, Spain - Frankfurt, Germany at 18/10/2009. And my next flight will be at 1/4/2010 with Lufthansa non-stop from Frankfurt to Orlando. smile
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 07:39

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/image.cfm?c_id=7&gal_objectid=10615831&gallery_id=108614

The 787 dreamliner finally takes to the air.. Awesome grin
Gallery courtesy of the NZ Herald.
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 09:41

Yeh! I felt the jolt in the earths rotation when it took off ...nearly took me off my feet grin

heaps of info on all these planes on the net hey. I was tracing a tail number VH-FKK from a pic of a passenger jet on an outback runway in WA. My lad travelled on it west-east across aus to sydney.
Here it is in an earlier life from my understanding of these tail numbers.
Makes you wonder how well they are prepped when they come back from the desert :rolleyes:
Posted by: Mike in Canada

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 09:55

I fly at least a few times a year, usually between Edmonton and Vancouver. But I do also fly to other places as well.

Longest flight I've been on from Honolulu to Sydney on a Qantas 747-200 back in 1993. This was nearly 10 hours.

The longest domestic flight segment for me was Ottawa to Vancouver on an Air Canada 767-200 back in June, 2002. This is a 5-hour flight and is nearly as long as between Perth and Brisbane.

But this pales in comparison to when I had to take an Air Canada A319 (similar in size and capacity to a 737-300) from Vancouver to St. John's Newfoundland, with stops to pick up/deplane passengers in Calgary and Halifax. This meant I was in the same plane for over 9 hours and a half hours - and in a narrowbody at that. Not something I'd do again!

To give you an idea how big Canada is, Vancouver-Toronto is slightly farther apart than Sydney-Perth and Montreal-Vancouver farther apart than Brisbane-Perth. St. John's, NL-Toronto is only about 35 km shorter than between Sydney-Auckland.

Since there's a chance I may make a return visit to Australia, as I have relatives there (most in Sydney, but also some in Brisbane and inland NSW), there's a chance I may end up taking a nonstop with Air Canada from Vancouver to Sydney. This would be about 15 hours on a Boeing 777-200LR - no stopping in between, not even Honolulu!
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 10:21

You want to have a lot of faith in those Twinjets doing a 15 hour leg.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 12:28

Those guys must have enormous nads to take that maiden flight. They must have their hearts in their throats.

The flex in those wings is incredible. Let's hope they fixed 'em.
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 12:52

the long hauls across the pacific is something to avoid ....my wifes taken the three kids across there to the States to visit family many times since the youngest was three. ...by herself wink
were the days when you were allowed to belt 'em however smile
She flies to her sis' in scotland pretty often these days and reckons thats a soda to taking little ones across the pacific ...which ever way you go. She always stopped in hawaii or even, dare I say, NZ for a few days along the way.
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 14:25

You get used to the pacific flight. I did it every year when teaching in the US, you go Canberra to Sydney or Melbourne, then to LAX or SFO, then onward to New York or Salt Lake or Denver. Makes for a long trip.

I take Qantas as they have personal screens and selectable movies and things, makes the trip so much more enjoyable, United don't have that and it's pov.

Provided I get my window seat, I can have a beer, watch a few movies, and then sleep for 8 or 9 hours. Works pretty well, but teh last few years the planes have been packed, which is annoying.

I haven't flown the big plane yet, and am in no hurry to. They haven't found all the bugs in that yet. I don't want to be on it when they do.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/12/2009 21:19

Aircrash investigation is on at the moment. A head on .Ouch.
Posted by: SkylineFFM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/12/2009 00:33

A few Informations about the shortest and longest national flight routes in Germany:

Shortest
EDXP-AGE = 10 km (Harle-Wangerooge)
Time of flight = 5 Minutes
Airline = Luftverkehr Friesland Herle
Aircraft = Britten-Norman BN-2 Islander

Longest
EDDM-EDXW = 766 km (Munich-Sylt)
Time of flight = 1 h 45 Minutes
Airlie = Air Berlin
Aircraft = B737-800

So you see, Germany isn't very big. wink

And about Lufthansa:

The shortest Lufthansa flight
EDDS-EDDF = 156 km (Stuttgart-Frankfurt)
Time of flight = 25 Minutes
Airline = Lufthansa
Aircraft = B737-500

The longest Lufthansa flight
EDDF-SAEZ = 13221 km (Frankfurt-Buenos Aires)
Time of flight = 13 h 45 Minutes
Aircraft = B747-400
Posted by: Mike in Canada

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/12/2009 05:39

Originally Posted By: -Dale-
You want to have a lot of faith in those Twinjets doing a 15 hour leg.


Remember that engine reliability is the thing. Not to mention the ability to keep flying in case an engine fails so the pilots can divert to another airport safely within 60 minutes. This is where ETOPS (Extended Twinjet Operations) certification comes in. ETOPS can be extended to 90 minutes and even 180 minutes in places - especially useful if they can't land at a particular airport due to weather.

I would not hesitate to go that far across the Pacific. In fact, I'd rather go Vancouver-Sydney nonstop than stop in Honolulu. These days now in the wake of 9/11, non-US travelers have to obtain a US visa even if for just a fuel/tech stop on US soil. Canadians (and also Australians and NZers under the Visa Waiver Program, provided they they aren't staying in the US for more than 90 days) are exempt from US transit visas. However, all passengers still have to get off the plane once in Honolulu, go through US Customs and recheck their luggage before getting back on the plane. My dad, who has flown back and forth between Canada and Australia several times even since 9/11 said that's what happened every time Air Canada made a fuel stop in Honolulu - adding something like 2-3 hours to the trip. This is a major reason why AC has now decided to bypass Honolulu whenever possible.

Like Qantas, AC has PTVs on the back of seats where you can select shows and movies.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/12/2009 05:54

Yeah which is why I fly Air NZ for any long haulers.. nice to have a screen in front of you with a choice of anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j973645y5AA&feature=related

If you have a spare 5 mins, spool that one up, I remember seeing it on the Discovery doco a while ago about building the A380, its in english so sorry for the german? subtitles, but its something that not many people ever see or hear about, while we are on the subject of engines.

Above they are doing the "blade off" test on that big Rolls Royce turbofan.. amazing to watch!

CF, the wings flexing like that on the new 787 is the radical new wing design from boeing, they are meant to look like that smile
Posted by: SkylineFFM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/12/2009 07:50

Originally Posted By: -Dale-
its in english so sorry for the german? subtitles,


No that isn't german, it's swedish. wink
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/12/2009 09:00

LOL thanks for clearing that up mate wink
Not real good with my european languages shocked
Posted by: SkylineFFM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2010 05:03

Here are the offical datas from the biggest Airports in Germany 2009 (and compared with 2008 in %):

1 - Frankfurt: 50,932,840 (-4.7 %)
2 - Munich: 32,681,067 (-5.4 %)
3 - Dusseldorf: 17,793,493 (-2.0 %)
4 - Berlin-Tegel: 14,180,237 (-2.1 %)
5 - Hamburg: 12,229,319 (-4.7 %)
6 - Cologne/Bonn: 9,739,581 (-5.8 %)
7 - Stuttgart: 8,934,493 (-10.0 %)
8 - Berlin-Schönefeld: 6,797,158 (+2.4 %)
9 - Hannover: 4,969,799 (-11.8 %)
10 - Nurnberg: 3,965,743 (-7.1 %)
11 - Hahn: 3,793,710 (-3.7 %)
12 - Bremen: 2,448,851 (-1.5 %)
13 - Leipzig/Halle: 2,410,812 (-1.9 %)
14 - Weeze: 2,402,083 (+57.6 %)
15 - Dresden: 1,718,923 (-7.4 %)
16 - Dortmund: 1,716,516 (-26.3 %)
17 - Münster/Osnabrück: 1,382,069 (-12.0 %)
18 - Karlsruhe/Baden-Baden: 1,087,909 (-4.7 %)
19 - Paderborn/Lippstadt: 983,706 (-13.5 %)
20 - Memmingen: 812,219 (+75.7 %)
21 - Lübeck: 688,302 (+28.8 %)
22 - Friedrichshafen: 578,484 (-11.0 %)
23 - Saarbrücken: 469,933 (-9.3 %)
24 - Zweibrücken: 338,219 (+3.4 %)
25 - Erfurt: 270,267 (-12.3 %)
26 - Sylt: 176,509 (+14.8 %)
27 - Rostock-Laage: 161,812 (-7.8 %)
28 - Braunschweig: 80,860 (-6.9 %)
29 - Mönchengladbach: 29,156 (-0.4 %)
30 - Hof-Plauen: 20,000 (-13.1 %)
TOTAL Germany: around 182,200,000 (-4.6 %)
Posted by: SkylineFFM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2010 06:22

Lufthansa is one of the safetiest airlines in the world, and I feel very safe when I fly with Lufthansa, but as well Lufthansa has 4 accidents since the airline was established in 1954.

Januar 11, 1959: A Lockheed L-1049G Super Constellation en route from Hamburg, Germany crashed into the beach in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil while descending in heavy rain. 36 people died, 3 survived.

Crash-Photo


January 28, 1966: Lufthansa Flight 005, a Convair CV 440 (D-ACAT)crashed on landing after an approach in low visibility to Bremen, Germany. All 46 passengers and crew on board were killed.

Crash-Photo

November 20, 1974 – Lufthansa Flight 540, a Boeing 747-130 (D-ABYB) crashed shortly after take-off in Nairobi. 59 of 157 on board lost their lives. This was the first crash involving a Boeing 747

Crash-Photo1 Crash-Photo2

September 14, 1993 – Lufthansa Flight 2904, an Airbus A320 (D-AIPN) flying from Frankfurt to Warsaw, Poland with 70 people, overran runway 11 and crashed into an earth embankment located 90 m beyond the end of the runway. The co-pilot and a passenger died.

Crash-Photo

Greetings
Leon
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2010 08:58

Here's the world's shortest scheduled flight. It goes between two islands in the Orkney's off the coast of northern Scotland, with a flying time of just two minutes.

http://www.alanmoar.flyer.co.uk/orkney/Shortestflight/shortest.htm
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/03/2010 10:56

Didnt know about what happened up there until now..
As I posted on FB earlier.. saw a fair bit of action from my place last night and into the early hours of this morning, as I have a clear line of sight to NZAA not much escapes me, but then again, arrivals and departures like this dont happen very often!

Perfect timing with these blustery SW winds.. runway 23L is ideal for approaches & the perfectly placed carparks to video from.


Posted by: synopig

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2010 20:01

Hey guys and girls, just stumbled across this thread. After 30+ years professional flying I still love my chosen career. Having flown 10 years in general aviation and 20 years with a major carrier here in Aus, I have seen a lot of this wonderful country and what the weather can throw at you, right in your face. I suppose when your childhood hobby becomes your job, it takes a bit of the fun out of it..work is work. Some mornings I wake at 4am to the sound of thunder and think I really don't want to do this today, however other mornings, as I sit and sip airline coffee, the sun rises from 25,000 ft and it all seems to be worth while. Sure, the job has its drawbacks, like having to do simulator every 3 months and other task related checks where your career is on the line, jump the fence or game over...stressful. Having said that, Its a nice feeling to have been to hell and back in the sim and know you are competent, ready for whatever the aircraft can throw at you. Our common passion here of weather watching and speculation as a community on WZ, I have found to be very educational and hope I have contributed to the overall wealth of weather knowledge on this forum... from first hand experience, being in it.
If anyone has any flying type questions, please don't hesitate to PM me and and I will attempt to give an educated answer..

Regards Greg
Posted by: Foehn Correspondent

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2010 20:08

Hi Dale,

and anyone else on the Gold Coast or Brisbane

th five Super Hornets arrive at Amberley between 1315 - 1330 Friday 26/3. Apparently they are going to be escorted by some of the F1-11s they are replacing as well as a couple of Hawks. Looks like a bit of delay at the Gold Coast and Amberley so a couple of circuits are on the cards. Hope the tanker and the C17 take part in the flyby! From the Area 40 Notams:

C0684/10
LJR SE QUEENSLAND. MIL F111, F18F AND HAWK JET ACFT OPR ON THE FLW
RTE:
SCOTT / GOLD COAST 045015 (DESCENT) / GOLD COAST 108008 /
GOLD COAST 325009 / BRISBANE 078024 / BRISBANE 048017 /
BRISBANE 349006 / BRISBANE 220003 / ARCHERFIELD 001006 /
ARCHERFIELD 335005 / ARCHERFIELD 219005 / ARCHERFIELD 209009 /
AMBERLEY 049003 / AMBERLEY 339004 / AMBERLEY 270009 /
AMBERLEY 147020 / AMBERLEY.

DELAY AT PSN GOLD COAST 045015 AND AMBERLEY 147020
SFC TO 5000FT AGL
FROM 03 260200 TO 03 260430

Cheers
Posted by: stormymick

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2010 21:22

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Those guys must have enormous nads to take that maiden flight. They must have their hearts in their throats.

The flex in those wings is incredible. Let's hope they fixed 'em.

the wing flex is a god thing as it allows the aircraft to ride out the turbulance without over stressing the airframe.
if an aircrafts wings were stiff constantly you would find that they would snap pretty quick and a very rough ride for the freight lol
Posted by: stormymick

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2010 21:23

hey greg you would grow old and slow without that sim to blow out the cobwebs lol
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2010 14:01

Had a nice flight to & from Biloela yesterday (Dash 8)- the sunset was lovely - and the service was lovelier - nice work, QantasLink! See vids:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsPasjcT-SU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Uw_AucgZs
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2010 21:35

As mentioned on farcebook earlier..major blast from the past happened this morning. Ol lady 727 (freighter im guessing) made its way overhead at low altitude, heavy off runway 05R bound for somewhere on the South Island.. sitting out the front at 7am with obligatory smoke & coffee I said to Rach holy sh*t, I havent seen one of those in the air since the old Ansett/TAA/Australian Airlines days.. you cant mistake them, lack of the hush kit on the #2 engine & the smoke trail left for miles behind.. almost beats the ol warbirds battling it out overhead on the weekends!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2010 22:18

been a few years since ive seen a 727 dale. i remember as a kid getting an ansett 727 at katherine airport and flying to adelaide, via the alice i think it was. they the ones with the stairwell in the middle back of the aircraft?
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2010 11:19

actual Arnold resident is servicing those 727s. Dying business for the crew he's with ....Smokie has been doing it forever but there is few 727s left I think ...they do most at the Theiss sheds at Essendon these days.
If you want some pics I'll give him your email Dale ....he loves the things but reckons they are getting scarcer ....suits his semi retirement as he chases these airshows in his spare time whereever they be. He spends plenty of time in NZ ...his son lives on the sth island.

He has some vid/stills of a 727 being cut up at essendon ......he reckons a lot of politics and dodgey business deals sees the demise of some good planes and 727 cop it the most. But don't start him on it wink
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2010 11:27

Yup - love 'em - I got taken up into the cockpit of a 727 somewhere over NSW when I was a kid - fantastic aircraft. The last one I flew on was in 1996, shortly before Ansett retired them, and I've been up the back stairs numerous times. I used to love sitting up the back - it was louder....
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2010 16:00

Thought this had some relevance in here,

http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-n...00414-sd3g.html
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2010 22:34

I read about that...anyone sensing the A330 has an issue or 2?
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 08:11

An A300 went down in Mexico last night as well, not a good week or so for the aviation industry.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 11:59

I have also flown on the Ansett airlines of Australia and TAA 727s which were 727-277 and 727-276 respectively, i still have the safety cards for both
hahaha
I also flew on the Ansett airlines of Australia DC-9-32
And they were loud too like this one...(below)
I spent many hours at Sydney airport, in the days when you could get up close and personal.
As far as i know some of those Ansett and TAA 727s are still active in various places in the world,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwel7Ulmrvs
Posted by: Rain Shadow (Fossy)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 12:21

Luuurve that sound! I noticed that the nose was up for quite a while before the rest of plane got airborne.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 15:26

They were magnificent...and yeah - I thought it was gonna tailstrike....
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 16:10

Tho not a DC-9.....
MD 82 OR DC-9-82..
Not aware of any of these ever flying in Australia.
But the thundering sound bring back plenty of early memories...
This one is best watched in HQ
The way it claws itself into the sky makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up..
Bit dramatic (however)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYxdKHJfVe0
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 18:25

Far as I know the 717's are a re-engined, re-badged version of the MD80 series when Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas....
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 18:54

I think they are even phasing the MD80s out in a lot countries as well.
Tho id say the 717s will be around for some time to come.
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2010 22:36

I forgot to mention - on my last flight, the hostesses sat next to me on the bus into the terminal....and they had that stripper perfume on...it smelt NICE....(takes me back to my wild boy days)..and they were such lovely women, too! Kept giving me free beers the whole flight!
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 02:12

There's going to be a lot of disruption to air travel across Europe over the next few days because of the volcanic ash cloud coming from Iceland.

All air traffic in the UK has been suspended until 7am tomorrow morning.

Quote:

A marie celeste atmosphere has descended at UK airports this afternoon after planes were banned from flying into British airspace until at least 7am tomorrow morning.
Planes were grounded at midday today as a cloud of volcanic ash spread across the country. Millions of travellers returning from Easter holidays or hoping to jet away for the weekend were told their flights had been cancelled with airports closed until at least 6pm this evening.
More than 500,000 passengers a day fly in and out of the UK on around 5,300 daily flights. Experts say the chaos - which is already spreading across Europe - could last for days.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1266269/Iceland-volcano-airports-close-7am.html
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 07:00

Yeah thats mad, they are even cancelling flights from Aussie & here in NZ due to the concerns about ash being ingested into the engines.. google the 'speedbird' back in the early 80's over Indonesia..

Back to the ol smoker 727 (sorry lol) she flew over again this morning & I got a good look at it, freight indeed. Dont recognize the carrier though. I've flown on them numerous times & yeah Mick, Andre.. thems the ones where you could go down the back stairs.. thats also how a hijacker escaped somewhere in america (mid flight with a parachute) back in the 70's I think.. forcing boeing to alter the design of the rear exit stairs.

Like Andre, I always tried to get the seat at the back of them ol girls just for the noise factor. I remember when first moving to Jimboomba & hearing them heading south from Brisbane.. you could still hear the bloody things a good 15 minutes after it went overhead if it was a calm & clear night.

Another interesting bit of info.. they were the only aircraft that could reverse themselves out of anywhere.
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 07:10

get a tail number Dale ...they are all listed on the net wink

backing would be handy in an overshoot on landing ......never seen it done though :rolleyes:
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 07:19

Originally Posted By: Arnoldnut
get a tail number Dale ...they are all listed on the net wink

backing would be handy in an overshoot on landing ......never seen it done though :rolleyes:


Quite a few years ago at Whitsunday Airshow, back when the runway was dirt, they had a Caribou come and visit. But the strip was too narrow for it to turn around completely so the caribou turned halfway, then changed the pitch on its props and reversed to the other side and turned completely.

Man the noise and dust that thing made...
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 08:03

Bou did the same thing at the Caboolture airshow a few years back.. landed on the grass, backed itself up and took off like it had a rocket under its ass.. unreal!

Oh yeah.. British Airways Flight 9.. or Speedbird 9..
Held the world record for the heaviest glider (Boeing 747-200) after ingesting volcanic ash into the engines.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 10:48

Actually Dale the DC-9 Could reverse itself as well.
This one looks like a DC-9-15 or 21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID3jfc39x3E
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 14:02

Mmm I am sure there were more, I cannot remember where I found that useless piece of information from but now that you mention the ol Douglas 9's.. I think the same source of useless information also mentioned the fact those aircraft (commercial jets) could do it was of the fact they had tail mounted engines which they didnt have to worry about foreign objects getting sucked through the engine intake.. correct me if I am wrong pilot people here lol.

Doesnt explain the Caribou.. that was just a lovely piece of work in itself.
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 15:03

better put it here too

big oops in perth yesterday hey? I found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGIydKxEoUo&feature=player_embedded
Posted by: tornadochaser_76

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 15:29

That is INSANE Mike!
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 15:47

I thought so grin ...he needs to play some ZZTop or something to keep his rhythm right. He overcooked the roll and lost his momentum ......and fell in I reckon.
the story is he caught a wing but I can't see that. If he'd had Tush playing on his ipod it wouldn't have happened grin
Posted by: SBT

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 16:38

http://www.flightradar24.com/ Shows flights in the air superimposed on a world map. Drag it left to find Northern europe and the UK and there isn't anything showing.

Lots of visitors on the website at the moment so some details cannot be displayed like tail number/heading/speed
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 17:12

wait until everyone realises this unpronouncible volcano may chug along for a year.
Has been its MO in the past.

Good time to invest in 'eurorail' ....if there is any such thing.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2010 20:59

Hah Mike.. that thing shat itself a month or so back in the big freeze.. when the were all stuck in the chunnel.

Where is captain Bryan and his titanic..
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/04/2010 06:48

Originally Posted By: Arnoldnut
wait until everyone realises this unpronouncible volcano may chug along for a year.
Has been its MO in the past.


If it's still going in November and England are unable to make it to Australia for the Ashes, I guess that means England will automatically retain the ashes as the series will be declared a draw poke
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/04/2010 09:52

Originally Posted By: Sir BoabTree
http://www.flightradar24.com/ Shows flights in the air superimposed on a world map. Drag it left to find Northern europe and the UK and there isn't anything showing.

Lots of visitors on the website at the moment so some details cannot be displayed like tail number/heading/speed


SBT, I like streaming this site and just listening to all the traffic down in places like Sydney or where ever.
http://www.liveatc.net/

When I went on the JGST for cadets last week, we went into Townsville's control tower and approach room. It was awesome. They have the best view over the airport, and we watched as the Prime Ministers 737 taxied and took off. Some flights were lucky enough to go through that plane before the PM got there, but I was content with going through the RAAF Super King Air's.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/04/2010 12:16

i have been into the townsville tower once too xavo. tight fit in there but great experience.
just had several airbus's land at townsville airport. one was defence. looked like an a320, i wasnt quick enough to get a good look thru the trees. the other was white, never seen the markings, and looked like an a330. bigger than the usual domestic flights we get in. going to assume that a large number of troops have just returned home on a charted flight maybe.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/04/2010 11:50

Originally Posted By: Mick10
i have been into the townsville tower once too xavo. tight fit in there but great experience.
just had several airbus's land at townsville airport. one was defence. looked like an a320, i wasnt quick enough to get a good look thru the trees. the other was white, never seen the markings, and looked like an a330. bigger than the usual domestic flights we get in. going to assume that a large number of troops have just returned home on a charted flight maybe.


Possibly, this year's ANZAC day march is supposed to have returned soldiers from Afghanistan I think.
Posted by: SBT

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/04/2010 12:10

Originally Posted By: Xavo
Originally Posted By: Mick10
i have been into the townsville tower once too xavo. tight fit in there but great experience.
just had several airbus's land at townsville airport. one was defence. looked like an a320, i wasnt quick enough to get a good look thru the trees. the other was white, never seen the markings, and looked like an a330. bigger than the usual domestic flights we get in. going to assume that a large number of troops have just returned home on a charted flight maybe.


Possibly, this year's ANZAC day march is supposed to have returned soldiers from Afghanistan I think.



Every year for the past 7 or so years has had soldiers from Afhganistan/Iraq/East Timor/Solomon Islands etc marching so it isn't something new. The flight was bringing a contingent of soldiers home from Afghanistan (140+) and is just part of the normal rotation and nothing out of the ordinary Xavo. But yest it was a special charter.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/04/2010 12:56

Oh, ok. I just heard it was a bigger than usual number. Something like 2000, but I don't know how accurate that is.

Oh, and Mick if one was indeed an A330, then the RAAF must have got the new KC-130's. Did you see if it had the tail drogue?

A few years ago, I briefly saw one of the old 707 tanker/transports flying into TSV. Quite an impressive site with the big dark smoke trails. I love those old 707's, and looking at pictures of the water injected takeoffs that they sometimes used.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/04/2010 15:30

i actually meet one of the returned soldiers from the middle east last night. certainly was a chartered flight, the 2nd aircraft was not part of their contingent. he didnt know what that plane was coming in for.
xavo, i didnt get a good look at the raaf plane, was thru the trees, certainly an airbus from what i could make out.

the 707's used to very regular visitors to tville skies. used alot in fa18 excercises for refueling of course. a few years ago, our news crew had the chance to go in a 707 to film a refueling fa18 thru the windows. sadly i couldnt go that day. once in a lifetime experience, i was pretty cut. Noisy but elegant aircraft.
Posted by: lookin

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/04/2010 23:24

Anyone heard more about the Virgin flight that made an emergency landing in Adelaide today? Only info i got was about possible fumes in the cabin and some people taken to hospital.
Posted by: WelloMeteo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/07/2010 14:43

Scariest landing of my life couple of weeks ago - can anyone give me some insight into what happened here? Plane was a Saab 340, from Helsinki to Aland (Finland). Just before landing (after the descent had begun) the pilot banked very sharply, to the extent that I had an almost perpendicular view of the sea. Seconds after, while still on its side, the plane dropped altitude very sharply, leaving my stomach in my mouth (and almost its contents). After this, the pilot quickly corrected to normal position, but seemed to have trouble doing so, as the plane swayed from left to right. While it still seemed as though he was struggling to keep it stable, the plane slammmed into the runway with a neck cracking crunch (felt as though it literally dropped onto the runway), and fishtailed to its eventual stop. Thoughts?? I reckon it was a close one ....
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/07/2010 23:21

Well, the sharp bank could be turning onto finals, but the losing height thing makes it sound more like a sideslip to me which would indicate that the pilot was too high when he was approaching the runway and didn't want to go around. Struggling to keep it straight sounds like a crosswind and slamming it onto the runway sort of backs this up as he probably wanted to get it on deck really quickly, although this could've been wind shear though.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/07/2010 22:49

Two very cool bumpy take offs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB0C3NQdsH4&feature=related
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2010 05:37

Here's a video of the last concorde landing at Birmingham airport back in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-0jW5CGHo4
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2010 06:52

Sad to see them go Steve, most wonderful aircraft though I never got to travel on 1.. I did however see one of the Air France ones up close & personal.. dont blame them though, the sound of those low bypass turbojets were absolutely ear-splitting to say the least lol.

Music to my ears tho.. (or whats left of them after concorde's take-off run)
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/09/2010 23:07

A plane landing at Birmingham airport had a very bumpy landing last Tuesday.

Quote:

ALMOST 200 terrified passengers screamed in terror when a nightmare landing at Birmingham Airport saw the plane bounce 20 feet into the air four times.

The aircraft smashed into the runway each time with a big crash, and then bounced back up, according to an ex-RAF man who was on the flight.

Grandfather-of-eight Tommy Price said the plane bounced a total of four times before screeching brakes brought it to a halt.

Airline Monarch sought to play down the incident, saying the flight had ‘bounced slightly’ after being hit by cross winds, but admitted the landing was so heavy they had engineers check the plane over for damage afterwards.


http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-s...97319-27276765/

Has anyone here experienced a bad landing before?

Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/09/2010 11:37

Thought I'd bang this up in here for anyone interested.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/hover-plane-set-to-take-to-the-skies/story-e6frfq80-1225931679274
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/10/2010 11:47

...and the latest way to make sure people pay attention to aircraft safety rules.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/hosti...0-1225933666681
Posted by: Redsky@nite

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/10/2010 23:27

Hey all you aviation people... A question...

I was in Sydney last Thurs and was on a flight home to Gold Coast on Virgin leaving about 1730ish... There was a strong N/NE blowing and I was sitting in seat F - window seat on the right side of the plane. Taxiing out to the far end of 34R (i think thats right) I looked out over Botany Bay only to see a low level water spout zipping off across the water... Sky was clear with some cirrus only... Willy Willy on the water essentially was what it looked like.

Was this a vortex from the landing plane that passed us? Blowing out across the bay? Anyone else seen this before or know what I am talking about? Am I crazy? smile

Would love an explaination.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/11/2010 14:47

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10685347

Hope this isnt true!!!
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/11/2010 22:15

Don't think it would be a vortex, that would be highly unusual I would imagine.

Here's a couple of vortices that can be made by planes that I know about:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air/Boeing-C-17A-Globemaster/1807597/M/ -> where the tarmac is wet and the water is sucked into the engine.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM---Roy...dcdab584985ce17 -> the vortices (sp?) created at high level by wingtips/(winglets?)

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Air...dcdab584985ce17 -> the vortices created by propeller tips.

and last but certainly not least (especially if you're caught behind it in a light aircraft...
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapore...2e4937d8614b29d -> wake turbulence created by all aircraft, but more noticeable by widebodies or 'heavies'.
There was a better picture than that on the site, but I couldn't find it.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/02/2011 18:14

Boing's new 747-8

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/boeing-unveils-new-747-8-jumbo-jet/story-e6frfq80-1226005700973
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/02/2011 18:44

Boing? Maybe that's the noise it makes when it hits the runway?
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/02/2011 22:17

sorry CF, not a fan of news ltd!!
even more photos available from the age website!!
http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/tr...selectedImage=0
oh and its my birthday soon, i want one!!
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2011 20:46

I thought they were only making the 800 for cargo, or is that the 800i?
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/06/2011 17:52

airbus unveils future plans....

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/glanceview/171899/airbus-unveils-radical-future-plans.glance

mmmm interesting but very very weird, dont know if itll work or not, what are your thoughts??
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/06/2011 22:15

hmm, interesting but probably going to be way to expensive for the everyday flyer imo. in the current age when business travel is at a minimum and people are flocking to budget airlines how many are going to be able to afford to fly in see thru airplanes that have their own golf simulators and the like.
and while on the whole see thru topic, what if you wanted to sleep while others in the plane wanted to see outside???
Posted by: core puncher

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2011 15:01

thought this would be the right place to post a link of some Photos of the plane v ferris wheel that occured at the Old Bar Festival on Saturday morning 1st Oct. I was only able to take photos after the rescues where complete as i was in operations with the ses, what a day to remember..
Posted by: Arnoldnut

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/10/2011 14:13

top photos CP ....thanks for sharing them.
So so lucky more weren't injured.
Posted by: core puncher

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/10/2011 16:51

Cheers Arnold, as traumatic as it was to watch it unfold mere meters away i think the hardest thing im coming to terms with is that no one was killed let alone seriously injured.., there were a [censored] load of luck cards drawn that day!
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/10/2011 07:34

About time?


http://www.cnet.com.au/787-dreamliner-preps-for-inaugural-flight-339324826.htm
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/10/2011 23:13

i attended a plane crash in Brandon (1 hour) south of Townsville this afternoon. Pilot had left scene by the time we got there, but the owner of the 2seater Jabiru was still there. Seems, the pilot may have come in to hard on landing, bounced and then flipped the aircraft onto its roof.
pilot was only one on board and had not injuries.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/01/2012 01:41

Check out this footage of crosswind landings.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/terri...0-1226252054594
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/04/2012 20:18

these shots are doing the round on you tube and the worlds media today.
video is taken from Bilbao Aiport in Spain.
Posted by: Seabreeze

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/04/2012 20:28

O______O

Puts "Windy Wellington" to shame. They almost look like they are puppets on a string.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/04/2012 21:50

That's how accidents happen. Hope I'm never on a airline that's let's you
Fly on a day like that.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/05/2012 00:15

Hey gang! smile Apart from the turbulence I absolutely love flying, thought I'd take this chance to share my flight experiences (helicopter included) smile just wish I knew the flight numbers and airlines poke

1. October/November 1988... flew to the USA with my parents Melbourne to Los Angeles and back (connecting at Sydney both ways I think), travelling to places such as San Francisco, Phoenix, Las Vegas, the Grand Canyon, Denver, and Minneapolis.

2. March 2005... (my first flight since 1988), a week with my family down in Tasmania, flying Melbourne-Hobart, then touring the southeast (Hobart, New Norfolk, Richmond, and Port Arthur) and East Coast (Freycinet National Park, Bicheno, Scamander, St. Helens, St. Marys, and Fingal) before flying Launceston-Melbourne smile

3. January 2006... my family and I took a joy flight over the NSW South Coast (Eden, Pambula, Merimbula, Tura Beach, Tathra, Bega, and Bermagui)... I love watching the planes flying into and out of Merimbula Airport each summer! grin

4. September/October 2006... my family and I spent approx. 10 days on New Zealand's beautiful South Island, flying return Melbourne-Christchurch, touring the Southern Alps, West Coast, Franz Josef and Fox Glaciers, Queenstown, Te Anau (including a scenic flight over Doubtful Sound... the plane dropped suddenly as it passed over a mountain and I became scared of turbulence since then frown ), Milford Sound, Invercargil, Dunedin, Timaru, and Lake Tekapo.

5. September/October 2007... a 10-day family holiday in Queensland (Gold Coast and Whitsunday Islands), flying Melbourne-Coolangatta, then later Brisbane-Hamilton Island, and finally Hamilton Island-Brisbane-Melbourne. My mum and I did 2 helicopter flights together, once over the Gold Coast from Dreamworld, and again over the Great Barrier Reef while in the Whitsundays (albeit in cloudy weather). We stayed at Broadbeach and on Daydream Island btw.

6. July 2010... a 6-day trip with the family to Sydney and the Blue Mountains, staying in Manly. I still remember my first glimpse of the Sydney Opera House and Harbour Bridge as we were flying into Kingsford-Smith Airport (the view was stunning in the winter sunshine), as well as my view over Corryong (where I go for most of my holidays), the Snowy Mountains, and Canberra (including Parliament House) as we flew up from Melbourne smile the return trip was in turbulent, stormy weather at night frown

7. July 2011... a 2-week family holiday to tropical Fiji (Nadi, Sigatoka, Coral Coast, Pacific Harbour, and Suva) to catch up with my girlfriend (now fiancee) and meet her family, the flight from Melbourne Airport was delayed by approximately 45 minutes and the return trip from Nadi by about 1-2 hours poke much of the flight northeast to Fiji from Melbourne was in rather cloudy weather so I didn't see much before entering the Tasman Sea near Sydney, except perhaps the northern suburbs of Canberra.

8. January/February 2012... my second trip to Sydney and the Blue Mountains, this time with my girlfriend/fiancee for approx. 8 days, mainly to meet up with some of her relatives and friends who live there. On the flight up from Melbourne I was able to photograph my first cumulonimbus thunderstorm cloud from the air... grin

In case anyone's interested, the storm was probably occurring somewhere in the Cowra/Forbes/Parkes/Orange/Bathurst region of NSW at approx. 4:20PM (January 27th) http://www.theweatherchaser.com/radar-loop/IDR711-sydney-terrey-hills/2012-01-27-00/2012-01-27-23 (frame 54 btw) there may have been other storms around btw, given the amount of convection in the area at the time but I can only confirm at least 1 storm cell from my pics during the flight, may have been a severe thunderstorm because there was a bit of an overshoot in the anvil.

The Sydney-Melbourne flight was in full daylight and almost no turbulence (compared to 2010) smile

9. February 2012... my third helicopter flight, this time with my girlfriend/fiancee over the Twelve Apostles while touring the Great Ocean Road and Grampians in Western Victoria for three days, overnighting at Warrnambool and Halls Gap smile

My next flight is set for June (next month) to Fiji for approx. 3 weeks... later this year I may end up flying to Sydney and perhaps Brisbane, who knows smile

I'll be sharing my aviation photos (including weather) on Flickr and my future website soon (cheers, vinaka) smile
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/05/2012 07:33

Birmingham airport used to have a great viewing gallery with clear views of the runway. Unfortunately, they upgraded the terminal which obscured part of the view and a few years later the viewing gallery closed altogether.
Posted by: Bathurstscan

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/06/2012 23:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4WW_HHlhgw&hd=1

My wife and i flew to Temora Natfly 2012 on Easter Saturday in Jabiru 230, listen for my callsign Jab 7755. All audio into Temora is recorded. A rather busy day.

Dave
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/06/2012 11:12

I'm flying 4-6 times a month at the moment for work. Haven't had any real rough flights yet, I'm not a fan of turbulence.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/06/2012 07:56

Gina's foreign workers arrived in Perth yesterday.



Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/06/2012 08:03

Originally Posted By: OzCyChaser Trav
, I'm not a fan of turbulence.



Onions ,eggs and baked beans are the main source of turbulence!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/06/2012 09:02

Haha sick poke

Flew sydney to Townsville direct yesterday. Went over tamworth, Roma, emerald and up over the burdekin dam and finally into Townsville. Seat belt light had to be turned on twice, once near the qld border for turbulence, and once again near emerald before we started descending near clermont. Got just a little bumpy but nothing to bad.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 19:32

been having alot of air movement around townsville this morning, excersise high sierra is about to finish off with williamstown based fa18's completing pilot training up on townsville's high range training area.
while exercise tallisman sabre is about to commence at shoalwater bay and off the eastcoast.

i didnt have my camera with me today, but did have the pleasure of watching a RAAF airbus a340 refueling aircraft land,


while at home, saw a wedgetail take off,


and i also heard a really loud one taking off, but it was at dusk and was really dark and drizzly, couldnt tell what model aircraft it was,
had 4 engines with the wing tips. been annoying me all evening, anyone help?
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 21:12

What colour was it Mick?

...and those 18s...Williamtown, or Williamstown?
I am pretty sure Williamstown dont have Hornets...
...could be very very wrong!!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 21:53

it was grey lizzie, had to be raaf, though i couldnt see any markings as it was flying through low cloud and drizzle.
we dont have an international flights here anymore, unless they are defence charters.
had the high pitched drone of an airbus, but again we dont get many that big here.

and yeah sorry, Williamtown!! i keep adding that "s" in!! so frustrating lol.
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 21:55

If it was grey, then probably a c130!
They are great - big buggers!!

Im sorry, i get a bit funny about the William "s" town thing...
I spend sooo much time at the base!
wink
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 22:24

no need to apologise, it was my mistake. i have to get into the routine of getting it right!

no, it wasnt a c130, they are wider and fatter than this one.
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 22:41

it wasnt?
hmmm....ok
this puzzle requires some thought then!
smile
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/06/2012 22:46

possibly C17...
see them a fair bit around here...

also seeing the trial C-27J Spartan (mini-herc) around...
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 00:00

It took off again this Arvo mick, definatly had the airbus sound to it.

A330???
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 00:00

Definatly wasn't a c-17
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 00:15

sorry Trav...hard to know without being there and seeing...maybe theres an american KC-135 about for some reason...;)
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 11:04

nah wasnt a c17 either. it had 4 engines trav, a330's have two. but shayne could be correct, just googled the kc-135, the americans are also participating in Tallisman Sabre so its possible it was one of theirs. Lovely looking machine what ever it was.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 11:30

The one i saw had 4 engines, maybe we are on the wrong page mick poke Is the 4 engine one the refuelling one for the F18s
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:19

there is a Civilian Contractor opperating Ex-RAAF Boeing 707 Tankers under the "Omega" name...these guys work for the RAAF and USAF around the place..could possibly have been one of them also...



without getting to "Wingnutty" about it...
Ive seen one of these up close at Williamtown..long ago..
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:26

Never mind the Tanker...
...Look at them Rhinos!
grin
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:35

Rhinos?....
Common as cessna's up here... poke wink

Lizzie, next time your in the terminal at Billtown, look over onto the apron at the RAAF Base..scuttlebutt is there is something "unusual" being tested on one of the Classic Hornets down there... wink
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:38

care to elaborate on that?
..i dont know when i will have the need to be at domestic for a while...
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:51

sorry, just realized you have already posted a picture elsewhere that you took of a Hornet with a AN/AAQ-28(V) mounted...
Posted by: Tom1234

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:53

I dont get how people can love flying, its so bloody boring. The only good flight is one where you sleep the whole time.
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 12:59

depends if you like looking at the clouds out of the window during the day..the lights below at night...or the hostesses while they push the refreshment trolleys..:P

beats sitting in a car for 12 hours!
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 13:07

Ah ok...that pic on my facebook...

...and Enrique, im not a massive fan of flying -love landing and taking off- but my love is watching them...especially war birds!

grin

To quickly clarify that, modern birds that is...
wink
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 13:10

That's the plane Shane ! You nailed it mate.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 13:12

Who here plays flight simulator?
I have
Flight sim 95
Flight sim 98
Flight sim 2002
Flight sim 2004 century of flight
And the latest one that came out a few years ago
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 13:23

i use to trav...
CFS2... (online and offline)
FS98
FS2002
And FSX....

Dabbled with "X-plane" for a while designing my own homebuilt...
but have given up on that dream...

as for "nailing it"..gotta be rite once in a while..;)

and Lizzie...
"Old Carp" wink is alrite.... grin
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 13:38

pft...if its not turbine, i aint playin'!
wink
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 14:23

i still have FS2004, not that good at it though, hardly get time to play it these days. usually just get a plane, take off, wing it, and try to land!!

love flying though. best experience, cant get enough of it. sadly im one of those people who looks at each aircraft im flying on with every flight and try and pick a different aircraft each time!
last time i went tsv to bris i went via mackay and rockhampton just because i hadnt been on a F100 in over a decade and never on Q400!!
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 14:31

i flown about 500hrs on FSX, then the discs got damaged and have been on it for a few years. I still plan to become a commercial pilot in the very very long term one day when i have the money for all the training etc

take-offs, landings and turbulence are the most exciting part of the flight....oh and the view!
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 17:29

I just priced a commercial license up here in Cairns. The first cert is $25,000 with additional fees for upgrades. Some websites suggest you need at least HSC completion but his is no longer true. There are two courses that need to be completed at the end of the flying chapte.

Commercial chopper license is $40,000. They suggest you go for the commercial plane license first and then step over to the chopper license.
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 18:38

I use to get as many add-ons as i could find for just Australia, VOZ-OZ was great for that, photo-real Archerfield ect, with real landmarks and terrain mesh for at least Queensland and New south wales...

My taste in aircraft was generally Military with mostly WW2 style warbirds in my hanger...and some Modern Jet Fighters like to play in if i wanted to muck about and bounce the AI traffic.. poke ..

I haven't touched Sims since we moved out here...bandwidth is a bit low to play online now and im primarily on a netbook...

Real aircraft, well, before i met Kylie i had 23hours up in C152's...
I wont be chasing a GA licence again..maybe i can still qualify for an Ultralight depending on medical...
Posted by: lizzie

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 18:43

My eldest Nephew had been expressing a desire to be a fast jet pilot, which of course impressed me no end!

...now?

Now he has decided to apply for Law at university...
What good is a Lawyer in the family!
poke
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 19:04

I love the commercial airliners.....I saw my first a
A380 qantas in Sydney the other day and was amazed....
Posted by: Shayne

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2012 19:30

piston warbirds for me..the Classy WW2 stuff...gotta love the sound of a superchaged V12 screaming its nutz off!
Then there are fast jets....

And Lizzie....
is always good to have the "Law" on your side!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 10:07

Who here has flown a few times on a Qantas 767?

I usually fly on a 767 when i go from Brisbane - Sydney or Sydney to Brisbane. I dont know what it is, but man those planes have loud hydraulics. When they push the landing gears back up after takeoff, there is a massive bang through the whole cabin, and when they push the flaps down the hydraulics are so loud, all you hear is a massive whining noise through the whole cabin lol

The 737s and Airbus A320's are not that loud, is there a reason for this LOL Or is it just because the 767s have older technology.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 10:12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IhQxmt08U&feature=related

Apparently a crazy 767 take off during a thunderstorm....

What do you guys think off this takeoff, do you think the captain probably should have waited for the weather to ease?

I reckon it was alright, heavy rain cant really constitute as a burden to not take off. I would be a little bit worried about the turbulant winds just above the ground, especially if it really was in the middle of a thunderstorm. The chances of a microburst are pretty damn real ! wink You can kind of tell that it was a aggressive takeoff by the captain. Definatly built up ALOT of speed and obviously had a pretty steep angle of ascent. He must have wanted to get above the thunderstorm quickly...
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 11:26

Trav....Older technology and the fact that it is bigger.

Many of the 767s are also older than the newer 737-800s and their airbus counterparts.

Interesting take off grin An interesting thing to look for when flying in the rain next is in the area in front of the engines will have a small funnel... you can see this funnel when it is wet. All due to the circular wind generated by the engine grin
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 11:31

I havent flown on a Qantas 767 but on a Royal Brunei 767 and yeah they are fairly loud. Very uncomfortable too and I try and avoid flying with that aircraft when I can.

Man the pilot took ages to take-off! That would get the adrenalin pumping for sure but would be a great experience with all that turbulence around haha

I remember in 2008 flying from Frankfurt to Hong Kong flying near a thunderstorm over Moscow and boy was that turbulence bad, the above video would be insane!

The 777-300 is my favourite plane to fly in though smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 12:06

Originally Posted By: dawoodman
Trav....Older technology and the fact that it is bigger.

Many of the 767s are also older than the newer 737-800s and their airbus counterparts.

Interesting take off grin An interesting thing to look for when flying in the rain next is in the area in front of the engines will have a small funnel... you can see this funnel when it is wet. All due to the circular wind generated by the engine grin


The noises these planes make while in the air is *almost* concerning haha.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 22:08

trav, i have flown on the 767's many times between melb-syd, and bris-syd, i love flying on them, 1 cause we dont get them here, and its great flying on something different (im flying on one in december on my to adelaide), 2 because i know they wont be in service for much longer (likely to replaced with a330's).
i have noticed how much louder they are compared to the newer age aircraft too. but consider some the 767's are 30yo, the engine technology has come such a long way, also the materials used in the fuselage and just about spaceage these days esp with the 737-800 and A320's, and of course the simiar sized a330, which i have flown on a few times between syd-mel and bris-perth and back.
but also compared the 737 family which we always have on the tsv-bris route, the 767 is twice the size, so obviously going to sound louder.

have you had a look at the dreamliner mate? there are videos on you tube, lovely looking aircraft.

looking at that 767 takeoff, it looks like they got to the very end of the runway, just before the camera moves away from the windown you can just see the end of runway line markings.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2012 22:44

i think it was a couple of years ago that i was told the average age of Australian aircraft was 34 years or something maybe 32.... due to most of our aircraft being second hand and usually old. We also do not have an aircraft producer here
Posted by: strontium dog

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/06/2012 08:21

I flew on a 767 last year from Brisbane to Darwin and noted the loud systems, reassuring in a way as you knew the big Boeing was doing what it was supposed to do. I would be very surprised if the average age of our aircraft is that old, most of our aircraft are not second hand.
Posted by: Firepac

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/06/2012 13:48

Originally Posted By: OzCyChaser Trav
I love the commercial airliners.....I saw my first a
A380 qantas in Sydney the other day and was amazed....



I was fortunate enough to fly on an Emirates A380 18mths ago from Dubai to Manchester (England), by sheer coincidence it was the inaugural flight of the A380 into that airport. So not only was I amazed and impressed by the sheer size of the aircraft itself but we also got a VIP welcome including the airport firies spraying water over the plane as we taxied to the terminal, the local aircraft entusiasts and the media all on hand.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/06/2012 15:57

In regards to the age of the aircraft: That would include the average age of Private Aircraft as well.

Having old commercial aircraft is less of a big deal - the maintenance procedures put in place generally mean that the components have a much, much lower age. It also means that they're pretty proven poke
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/06/2012 16:40

My flights this week

Sunday - Townsville to Sydney direct on jet star A320

Friday - Sydney to Brisbane Boeing 767

Friday - Brisbane to Townsville Boeing 737

Nice little mixture.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 05/09/2012 11:13

Whilst the pilot is obviously brainless I wish I was in that car. What an awesome experience!

http://video.couriermail.com.au/2275875026/Russian-jetfighter-passes-motorist
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/09/2012 11:32

Living the dream.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/jetma...0-1226468285918
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/09/2012 22:19

Flew on jetstsr flight 913 direct from Townsville to Sydney today, however forgot to write on here what happend last month I took off from Sydney to fly back home.

A massive low pressure system layed of the coast of Nsw, with a high in the bight which brought gale force winds to all of coastal NSW.... We took off from Sydney with sustained winds at the time being 74kmhr, gusting too 106kmhr. We took off facing south from the direction the wind was coming from, however I reckon the 767 took off at only 100 knots. The climb was very turbulent and scary I tell you that!
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 11:12

Booked on an A320 back North, and then *cringe* a Fokker 100 back South. Almost makes you want to walk it...
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 12:37

i flew a fokker 100 from rocky to brissy earlier this year, alliance code share with qantaslink, wasnt too bad, only 10 of us on a 100 seat plane, bit noisey but otherwise an ok flight.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 13:10

Yeah, I must be on a codeshare. 10 out of a 100 wouldn't be too bad.

But jeeze they aren't too kind on the old ears, nor (form memory) was the leg room/seat size too generous either. I'm not quite sure how it can be so noisy with the engines at the rear - 717's are quite as!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 14:15

I haven't flown alliance yet. Didn't think they would be real noisy.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 15:46

They don't look it Trav but they're heaps noisy. If you've ever been on a 717 - it's quite the opposite. All you can hear is wind against the fuselage because the engines are right at the back. Maybe it's just noisy old engines and older sound deafening in the materials or something...
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/09/2012 17:31

Pretty surprising hey, they have pretty much the same fuselage as a 717. Weird.
Posted by: joesk

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/09/2012 13:09

would love to get one of these in the next year or two, this was down at hastings point, NSW.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/09/2012 19:19

Just had my first flight on a A330. Much nicer to fly in than the usual syd - bne bird that I usually take....aka the 767. Much more quiet and comfortable.

While in a holding pattern over the gold coast, noticed a green laser pointer being pointed at the plane. He got me in the eye, man that hurt my eye, I was seeing stars. The guy did it for like 20 seconds and then stopped.

Reported it to the captain after landing and they saw it too, currently being investigated, oh yeah!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/09/2012 19:38

yeah the A330's are a nice plane, flew in one between melb and syd once, but you really appreciate them between brissy and perth, in fact i changed my flight back from perth last year to be on one instead of a 767 because of the comfort and the tv screens!!
great flight too, went as south as adelaie at 1100km/h before swinging northwards into brissy.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/09/2012 01:09

Was gonna say Trav, sure you didn't see the lightshow from Brisbane Festival? poke

No good man, what kind of idiot does something like that to a plane carrying hundreds of passengers...
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/09/2012 15:47

Here you go aviation nuts. This site shows the actual position of flights around the globe in real time and 5 minute delay (color coded). Well 60 percent of them. Those plains fitted with the tech needed to trace them. So you can track a friend's flight across the globe. Pretty cool huh?

Click on the plane to follow it or simply place the cursor over the plane to get the flight number. Enjoy.

http://www.flightradar24.com//t_blank
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/09/2012 17:21

Yup, and you can also download a app of the iTunes store for it.

Amazing the technology hey, I have it on my iPhone and use it to make sure my flights are on time.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/09/2012 19:04

Man, everything was swell this morning. Only a 10min wait in the line to checkin, breezed through security and boarding was slightly early...

Only to have a couple of people late to the flight, so we got delayed. In the meantime, a queue of about 10 planes had formed waiting to take off (~9am), whilst waiting for those in the pattern to land. A real bottleneck. We waited for at least like 20mins I reckon, but I was cool with it - got to see some closeup 777 and A330 action wink

Landing at Prossy was weird as well, it felt like he set up for a straight in approach. Dumped the flaps and stuff, but kept the wheels up. We got real low (lower than normal, or at least the times I've come in) until the engines spooled up and we flew right over the terminal - which never happens at Prossy. Then it was a really short Finals and we were down.

Still love flying!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/09/2012 19:33

I feel the more you know about flying the more you panic. I sit there before take off makin sure the captain has checked the hydraulics and flaps and stuff haha! Flying freaks me out, but I love it??? I don't get it. Like it really interests me and I love it, but I get nervous as hell sometimes.

A330 is beautiful. So much nicer than a a320
Posted by: Bathurstscan

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/09/2012 22:50

Just recently for Ausfly at Narromine, flew over for the day. A great collection of all types of aircraft.

I had 2 video cameras on flight over..

Have made this clip of the day .

http://youtu.be/iDcAiKmy5CU

Enjoy
Dave
Posted by: DaveM

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/09/2012 11:28

Countryside looked nice from the air DC. Well done. smile

I love mustangs!!! (and spit's and sea fury's etc)

At least a few war birds of varying types there, looked like a Harvard etc there.

Two of the best things I ever saw was there in the mid 80's (whilst living in Dubbo)

1) an ultralight took off ACROSS the airstrip not along it and had heaps of room to spare

2) A glider came belting down at the end of the tar strip and proceeded to stay about 2 metres above the surface for the whole length then pulled up at the far end and continued flying up and away, I knew gliders were supposed to be good but that exercise blew me away.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 16:04

Flew out of Mackay earlier today, F100 was delayed 30mins departing Brisbane due to weather and the associated traffic problems.
Made up a most of the time on the trip home, but getting into Brisbane the pilot was dodging the heavier turbulence, so it was pretty cool weaving through the clouds. We popped out of cloud a couple of hundred feet or so above the water for a straight in (and rather fast) approach & landing. I guess we got lucky and there was an open slot, so we had to take it fast!

When I got off, there was a groundie standing over the wheels looking at the brakes or something.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 18:25

Must have blown a tyre?
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 18:44

Nah, we didn't blow a tyre, we would've known about it if that was the case.

I think it might've been something to do with the brakes, I vaguely heard the groundie say something that might've been 'he's cooked the brakes...'

Meh, I got off in one piece so I'm happy smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 18:59

U reckon you would feel it if a tyre blew on the rears dude?
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 19:58

I was on a flight from Osaka to the Gold Coast when around about midnight over the Pacific I smelled a mechanical burning scent, it was strong. Most of the cabin was asleep. I immediately began to panic a little as my partner reassured me the engines were fine, it's fine he says.... hmmm so why are you thinking about the engines hey buddy. Next thing you know the pilots announce (in their best darth vader voice) since they are hooked up to oxygen masks that we will be making a direct descent into Guam. The hosties were clearly [censored] and buckled themselves in (no time for tray checks). From here on in it goes like a bad B grade flick. Cabin lights on & off, burning smell intensifies, people begin to wake and panic. Longest 20 minutes of my life. Upon landing in Guam we were informed there was a fire in a cockpit caused by a faulty element. Then because Guam is American soil or some such thing the bastard seppos don't let us off the plan for another 2 hours, homeland security is a bitch. So we sit there surrounded by fire engines just wanting to get off. Thankfully we get processed and sent to the Hilton for the night. Our plane is going no where the next day and the airline sends another (along with a whole new crew & a big spin team). Spent the next day still in a bit of shock snorkeling around Guam reefs until we got out. The plane was an A330 and just 2 weeks prior the same type 'Air France' went down off Brazil killing 400. Within that month there were other 'incidents' as they say with this type of aircraft and all were apparently serviced for faulty windscreen heating elements. Apparently planes windscreens were either icing over or catching fire, although I have no proof of this it's just hearsay. Nowadays I'm more comfortable on a Boeing. And understandably not to keen on any strange smells or sounds. I LOVE GUAM since there wasn't much else around for midnight emergency landing.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 20:33

Originally Posted By: OzCyChaser Trav
U reckon you would feel it if a tyre blew on the rears dude?



Would've heard it at the very least (I was sitting pretty much on top of em).
Plus I would've seen it when I got off.
Posted by: boomer

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 20:37

Re Guam... and like Ms Milo I assume this was on Pacific Continental... we were set to leave (still on the tarmac) on a flight back to Cairns a few years back.
There were clearly problems as certain elements... AC, lights etc were patchy. Then about 30 minutes after boarding the skipper said there were problems with the onboard computers and that he was going to shut them down and be prepared for no lights etc... "sometimes rebooting them works," he said. Needless to say this was met with some consternation.
End result... didn't happen and we were transferred to a different plane (oddly enough one was available).
End result... a practical Pacific acknowledgement that Pacific flying has its own unique way.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 21:43

Scary stuff milo, absolutely crazy. I would have been packing it.
Posted by: Foehn Correspondent

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/10/2012 21:59

It would be this one here. I can remember reading the ATSB report.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2009/aair/ao-2009-027.aspx
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 02:02

Yes Foehn that was my flight. Thanks for that report
Originally Posted By: Foehn Correspondent
It would be this one here. I can remember reading the ATSB report.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2009/aair/ao-2009-027.aspx

Posted by: mitasol

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 19:38

I love flying and have flown on all sorts from twin otters all the way to A380's and plenty in between. Never really been scared in the air, although a twitter that dropped 4,000 ft after hitting and air pocket over Mt Hagen was interesting to say the least smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 19:56

No trace so far of a qld vintage plane that disappeared 24 hours ago in SE QLD
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 21:15

hard to believe a plane in this day and age can go missing without being found for so long, even in such territory like it is. be a few changes to come when this investigion is done.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 21:33

I don't think weather has helped in the hinterland mick. I still agree with you though, it's Been more like 30 hours now and the search has been suspended until tomorrow. I fear 6 people will be found dead tomorrow.

The pilot actually rebuilt the plane after surviving a crash 40+ years ago which also killed his dad and brother. Crazy stuff
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/10/2012 22:02

yeah it sure is crazy. but the fact there is no modern device to track the location of the aircraft is insane. but after all this time, if the people are on board it will be one lucky find. not looking good though.
Posted by: GDL

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 06:08

We need Bernard O,Rieley.[Stinson air disarster]
Posted by: mitasol

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 06:08

There is a device, it is called a black box, actually it is orange but that's another story.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 06:44

The search has resumed this morning. 15 helicopters and 2 planes are involved.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 11:43

dont think planes this size have to have a black box do they?
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 12:19

Yeah not sure if they are Mick, certainly it'd be iffy if something that old would have the equipment for one. It does have GPS tracking, transponders and all that - but they said they've lost the signal. Hopefully they should find it today, and hopefully it's just a forced landing somewhere...
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 14:26

the plane wreckage has been found. rescue crew being lowered into the location now.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 15:35

No survivors apparently. Very sad day!
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 16:08

Originally Posted By: Mick10
dont think planes this size have to have a black box do they?


It's only commercial aircraft that have to be installed with a CVR (cockpit voice recorder) or FDR (flight data recorder)
It is also at the pilot's discretion as to whether or not they choose to carry an ELB on non-commercial flights.
Very sad story indeed.
Posted by: mitasol

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 17:21

Yes sad day indeed.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/10/2012 19:29

Looks like the pilot may have tried to fly back too monto based on the flight path and where the crash happend. At some point though the pilot must at the end of the day make the decision to fly. If the aircraft wasn't fit to fly in cloudy conditions due to aged navigational equipment, then maybe he should have made the call not to fly on that day. As tragic as the accident is, as how much I feel for the people and the people's family, pilot error must come into it.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/10/2012 15:21

Melbourne is getting a second international airport at Avalon. They definately need a rail link or perhaps a ferry link as the airport is right on the coast across the bay from the city.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-12/avalon-airport-gets-international-upgrade/4309876
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/10/2012 19:56

Reports yesterday of a ATC employee in Darwin that was stood down after two qantas jets came within 250m of each other.

You wonder why I'm nervous when I fly...
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/10/2012 19:58

An A380 made an unscheduled landing in Darwin last night too. Had a medical emergency on board apparently.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/10/2012 23:30

Saw that too, wonder how much room they had to land and take off.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/10/2012 23:34

Not as much as you would think - runway is 3300 metres and it only used about half. Take-off much the same. They landed the Dreamliner here a few months back too no problem.
Aerobridge only reaches the bottom deck however.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/10/2012 09:30

darwins runway can take the wide b52's no problem, an a380 would be a breeze.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/10/2012 09:40

Have you seen how massive a A380 is in real life mick? At sydney airport i just sit there in amazement when they take off and land...i was lucky enough to see one take off in heavy rain, the amount of water spray left behind was amazing.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/10/2012 10:57

Originally Posted By: Mick10
darwins runway can take the wide b52's no problem, an a380 would be a breeze.


C-17 Globemaster is no baby neither. They use every inch on take-off eek
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/10/2012 23:15

yeah i have seen the a380's in melbourne and sydney. when a b52 came to Townsville for VP50 in 1995, they had to remove all the lights from the edge of the Townsville runway so they wouldnt be damaged by the b52's wing wheels. thats how wide they are.
we get the c17's in townsville all the time delivering troop equipment, blackhawks, chinooks from excerises and the middle east. beautiful aircraft to watch, ungainly, but lovely.

Townsville's runway is 2438 metres long, while Darwin's runway is 3354 metres long by 60 metres wide.
thats one massive difference in length. Darwin's is just short of Melbourne's which is why i didnt think the a380 would have a problem at Darwin International.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 00:40

Yeah also landing should be easier than taking off (unless the plane hasn't been in the air that long).

They got a 747 down at Longreach, even though it was completely empty (including seats and interior removed). That would've been a site to witness!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 21:52

I thought the C-17 actually had a relatively short take off and landing spec due to its massive engines. I have seen them on YouTube land them with sweet screw all effort on a very short runway. The massive wings produce a ridiculous amount of lift.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 22:01

i know there were news stories on the 747 landing at longreach at the time. but be damned if i could find it on you tube.
only came up with some mobile footage of the landing from the museum display.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJOtwGUAcI
been wanting to go to the longreach museum for 10years, will do it one day!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 22:49

Maybe a storm chasing weekend we could mick!

Flew to Sydney direct today on an A320. Sat in the 1st row of seats so I could spread out! Was pretty comfortable. Landing in Sydney on our base leg of the approach freaked me out a bit. We would have passed less than a kilometer between another plane that flew below us. It's the closest I have been anyway.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 22:59

Originally Posted By: OzCyChaser Trav
I thought the C-17 actually had a relatively short take off and landing spec due to its massive engines. I have seen them on YouTube land them with sweet screw all effort on a very short runway. The massive wings produce a ridiculous amount of lift.


Depends on payload. With a full payload C-17 requires about 2,500metres for take-off. Alot less for landing (less than 1,000metres) They have been designed to make slow, steep approaches using blown flaps where engine exhaust is passed under them to create lift at slow speeds.

Each engine on a C-17 produces about 40,000 pounds of thrust versus 81,000 from the GE turbofans on the A380. Gross max take-off weight for the A380 is 560,000kg versus 255,000kg for the C-17.

A380 under civil aviation operational weight constraints can take-off in less than 2,000 metres. These guidelines are in place so as most airports can accommodate an emergency landing.

Thanks to the Mrs for having the DIA operations manual at hand! lol



Posted by: Noname

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2012 23:06

I'm flying with Qantas Boeing 747 to LA direct from Brisbane next month. That must be biggest plane I ever been in! 747 have two levels of seats right?
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 03:10

Yeah Matt, but it's more like 1 full level + half the top level.
Posted by: Cloudz

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 06:17

And if my memory serves me correctly the top half is for first and/or business class.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 09:41

You riding cattle class Matthew? I seriously don't know if I could pull a pacific haul off hey. I flew for 3 hours yesterday and the boredom was driving me crazy. I was uncomfortable and had no leg room what so over. I'm 6"1... But that's jet star with no tv screen or anything.

On qantas you always get a tv screen and foxtel which helps.
Posted by: Noname

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 10:29

Premium economy Trav! I am in that class because I am frequent flyer with Qantas just like you. So I will be on the bottom cabin/deck. I do not mind in that at least it is cheap to fly. Surprisely Qantas was cheapest option to fly with to LA on that day, and of course going back on 10th of July 2013.

My cousin works for Qantas and he fly with them all the time (he fly with them for free, including his family). He said that international flights like QF20 or below has larger space in economy cabins than the domestic ones. There definitely will have plenty room for me to settle in and sleep after a free movie and meal!
Posted by: max power

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 13:16

Yeah the top deck is generally on a 747 is business class. Flew on the top deck a couple of months ago from Hong Kong to London with Cathay. Weird feeling taking off and landing as the seats with Cathay are on an angle in business class.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 16:31

Premium Econ is a pretty good spot to be.... I have been told that once you go to the top deck of the 747 it is hard to go back
It is definitely worth being apart of a program that earns frequent flyer points
Posted by: Foehn Correspondent

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2012 17:30

Haha dawoodman so very true. I went business - Sydney to Hong Kong last year and managed to score an upgrade to First Class. Going back to business on the return trip was hard to take going back to cattle class is unthinkable! smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2012 08:46

Another incident on the A380's. Teething problems?

http://www.news.com.au/travel/world/emir...i-1226514824688
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2012 10:32

Reports of flames coming from the engine. Wtf can't wait for this report
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2012 16:57

Hmm interesting.

A compressor stall can lead to a loud bang and flames coming out of the engine.
This isn't a RR engine like the one on the QANTAS a/c, even though I'm sure the article is insinuating that there's a direct correlation between engine trouble and the A380.

I'm gonna reserve judgment until there's more info on it.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/11/2012 01:13

So can a well placed bird grin or even ice!

Somewhere someone will be receiving pineapples for it though....that's a lot of money lost
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/11/2012 08:30

It seems commonsense sometimes prevails.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-30/airline-cleared-of-crime-over-concorde-crash/4400134
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2012 11:59

flying on qantas 737-800 between melbourne and brisbane yesterday evening, took this shot at 35 000 feet of another plane out the window. this one ended up going underneath us. there were a few storms around at the time and our plane was dodging and weaving a bit.
is it normal to have one this close though?
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2012 12:31

No! Even in the holding pattern they are further away than that! That's insane.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2012 12:46

I wouldn't say normal.. But then again, you were in storms so probably both a/c were vectored into the same space between two cells.

It's only really a danger if the pilots didn't know about the other plane. But that seems unlikely, because of all that fancy ID software, plus they'd have a controller somewhere monitoring it.

how much vertical space was between you and it Mick?
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2012 14:26

when i first saw the plane it looked to be heading in the same direction as us because i could clearly see its contrail. but by the time i reached into my bag, got the camera it had changed direction and flew underneath us was we went past. couldnt honestly tell how far below it was, but obviously at different heights.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2012 14:47

Yeah, sounds like they were just avoiding weather then. As close as it looks, it should only be a problem if either pilots are unaware of the other aircraft.

No doubt there would've been someone on the ground watching it unfold with hawk eyes though.

About to head off to the airport for the trip down to Brisbane! Virgin 737-800 (thanks flightaware!) It literally just left Brisbane, so would be in early stages of climb.

Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/12/2012 18:10

you would be surprised at how close some planes get around busy airports.... nothing to be worried about though because TCAS 2 is installed on all jet aircraft so you are pretty safe.

its not ideal but its nothing to worry about.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/12/2012 18:52

Dashcam of plane debris hitting a car in Russia.

http://www.news.com.au/world/plane-on-fi...v-1226545163549
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2012 07:30

Authorities beleive either reverse thrust or brake failure.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2012 08:13

5 dead. Luckily for the death toll 200 people were not onboard. As far as I can see only crew were on board.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/01/2013 13:59

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/heavy...0-1226549553309

One of the Lithium Ion batteries associated with the APU equipment seems to have overheated and caught fire on a Japanese 787. Plane was on the ground with all pax and crew disembarked and only a mechanic onboard noticed the smoke, alerting the firies who found the fire in the battery area. They put it out, and a short while later the battery apparently 'exploded' again.

The article makes a pretty good point, the transport of Lithium Ion batteries is restricted in some cases due to their increased tendency to overheat and fail.

I wonder how Boeing came upon deciding to go down the Lithium Ion route, when presumably there was already some other type they had working well. They must've decided the performance or weight savings or something outweighs the safety risk...
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/01/2013 16:09

yeah thats odd.

technically you are not allowed to take your phone on a plane as the battery can explode,

I would say that it was weight saving, and possible recharge value
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/02/2013 16:33

hopping on this bad boy 767 from Sydney to Brisbane.

Will get on a 737 from brisbane to townsville tho.

Love this big bird, I usually fly on it on this flight. The old hydraulic sounds though for the flaps make you think wow is this old thing going to fall out of the sky haha. Beautiful to fly in though.

Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/02/2013 21:53

i love ye ole 767 aswell mate. flew on one back in december, same route. feels like your flying in a tupperware container compared to the much newer interiors of the 737-80's, but to hear all the hydroylics etc as you mentioned makes you really feel like your flying again. will miss them as they are continued to be fazed out over the next 5years.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2013 11:43

Meanwhile .

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/emerg...0-1226579347708
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2013 12:23

Wow, interesting to see what caused that.

I really do love reading the sensationalism though, 'flight of terror, 4cm GAPING HOLE etc'
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2013 12:30

Yeah the media go over the top but hearing a door let go at 30,000 feet might soil my pants a tad too wink
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2013 12:38

Yeah, you're right. I'd be crapping myself.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/02/2013 20:50

ILS Approach into Brisbane through a thunderstorm, was a little bumpy but was not as bad as i was expecting

Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/02/2013 20:52

Approaching the Storm on our descent into Brisbane after a holding pattern


Above Gold coast in the holding pattern


Holding pattern with the developing storm on the left that I knew we would have to fly through ahha



So sorry about the size, Photobucket doesnt resize them like they used to when u edit them what the?
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2013 17:39

737-800 direct from Townsville to Sydney tomorrow. I usually fly direct on a A320. So happy I'm flying on Something that isn't owned by jetstsr!
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2013 17:57

Sweet, you might be in with a good chance of having the overhauled cabin. They're much nicer with the mood lighting and I think the seats are a bit nicer as well.

I still have horrid memories of a 6am Virgin flight in one of those Fokker 100's with no legroom and a seat designed around a 5 year old's proportions! Thankfully their lease on them has run out I think, so 737's are it smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2013 22:15

Yeah man I'm a tall lad, A320 has no leg space. Especially on a 3 hour flight. 767s and A330s though are great. I will happily fly in a A330 again.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2013 23:07

jetstars a320's are shocking for leg room. can certainly notice the difference between them and qantas 737-800. the a320 jetstar flight tsv to melb direct is painful, 3 hour flight with little leg room. though ive noticed jetstar have added an a321 to the service route now.
are you flying virgin to sydney trav?
wish qantas still did tsv to syd direct. seems like its good enough for bundaberg which just added a direct service with qantaslink.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2013 23:34

Yeah mate, direct virgin flight. I usually go down on jet star and come back on qantas .

Im on virgin on the wayback too. It's mad they have fox tell on the front seat !
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 09:49

i havent flown virgin for a while now. but its pretty sweet to have fox for free (used to have to pay a few years back), i have travelled on a few re-decorated qantas aircraft and found their entertainment system better. heaps of movies, tv shows, music, games.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 10:37

On the 767 a few months back I got an iPad for free! Bloody awesome.

Makes being put in a holding pattern over Brisbane worthwhile wink
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 16:50

Landed in Sydney into a 35 knot southerly with waves crashing over the runway break wall!

Very bumpy approach! Good stuff
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 17:08

Originally Posted By: Mick10
jetstars a320's are shocking for leg room. can certainly notice the difference between them and qantas 737-800. the a320 jetstar flight tsv to melb direct is painful, 3 hour flight with little leg room.


I generally go for the upgrade to an exit row.... the pitch is like 34" where as the typical layout is around 30" in the Qantas cabins. Be careful with the Qantas and Jetstar code share when flying internationally... had to come back home from hawaii which is about 9 or 10 hours and Jetstar keep their horrible sardine tin cabin.

I'm planing on an overseas trip within the next year and I will not go qantas....would like Lufthansa get an extra 5 inches of leg room!
Posted by: Westy80

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 17:43

I've been on a few diff aircrafts. Love the space qantas offer on its a380 service, but air nz's 767 feel more comfortable than qantas's 767???..Not sure why. Travelled Air Alaska 737-800 and it was so squeezy.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 18:54

Taking off from Townsville







Burdekin Dam, if you look in the far left bottom corner you can see the spillway over flowing



Approach into Sydney, Another Vigrin Embareor ( spelling ) is actually less than 1km away on approach here onto the other S to north run way. Closest I have ever been to another commercial plane in flight ! I hope you can see it.




EDIT - I cant see it, damn i phone frown
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 21:28

nice shots trav, i hope you phone was on flight mode! poke
Posted by: Westy80

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2013 23:24

Photo of sunrise above Far North Queensland en route to Cairns from Darwin
 photo 4690184171_7ae97be8db_b_zps90a4d7ae.jpg
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 08:10

Mm beautiful mate. Over the gulf of carpenteria?
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 12:34

Always envious of those awesome photos inflight, I'm always stuck with a seat that's had someone rubbing their hands all over the window, or scratches, or condensation or one of those ones where the window is not quite in line with seat.
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 13:49

Originally Posted By: Xavo
I still have horrid memories of a 6am Virgin flight in one of those Fokker 100's with no legroom and a seat designed around a 5 year old's proportions! Thankfully their lease on them has run out I think, so 737's are it smile


We flew Virgin for work when the Qantas "shut the whole airline down" thing has happening, and found out that a full fare economy was their version of premium. So both trips I found myself in the first row.. in one plane, there was a bulkhead wall, but in another, there was nothing!

So I was sitting there as the rest of the plane got on, trying to tuck my feet out of the way so they wouldn't get trampled. It was literally the front door, and me sitting just inside of it.

Poor old Virgin tried their best, with a dodgy drinks service as they were loading, they hadn't really thought it out though. the Virgin lounges are lovely, however, deserted and very arty and quiet.
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 21:05

Wow great thread and some awesome pics too!

I'm looking forward to me my next trip overseas when I'm booked on the Qantas A380 off to Europe via Dubai smile

Last trip to Myanmar flew Singapore 777-300 from Bris to Singapore, Singapore to Yangon Myanmar on Silk air A320- Great airlines too.

At Yangon witnessed Biman Bangladesh Dc10 taxi and takeoff, the plane looked old and in bad need of a makeover, i bet there safety record isn't that flash either.

Heres a pic of the F100 which crashed the day before taking this pic on route to Heho airport. Can clearly see the T-Tail and locals mingling amongst the wreckage.

Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 21:07

Jesus PAC, any casualties
Posted by: ant

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2013 22:06

Hope you're upstairs on that Big Plane, Pacman. I have avoided the rotten things until last trip, and to my horror found that in economy, the window seat lurk of having a wall to sleep against was denied me, the wall is some inches away from the window seat. Like in the very back bit of a jumbo. Awful.

I won't be in one of those again, that's for sure.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2013 22:59

278kmhr landing speed tonight in a 737-800
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 13:17

That's pretty much average, works out to be about 150kts. Depends on the weight and flap settings, useable runway length etc.
Posted by: Homer

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 13:29

Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
278kmhr landing speed tonight in a 737-800


Trav, any in-flight photos of the storms that went through Sydney yesterday arvo?

Homer
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 13:55

I would be expecting 140-150 knots too Xavo smile
Well thats what I used to do do approaches in Flight simulator at anyway in a 737 poke


Hey Homer, i only took one unfortunatly, but it was actually after the storm passed through and i was looking at convection to the West at around 5pm. I will throw it up for ya anyway if you want.

Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 14:00

Here Homer this is all I got. Looking over the CBD, Harbour and up the river looking west towards a new cluster of thunderstorms smile

Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 17:33

Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
Jesus PAC, any casualties


The plane crashed due to heavy fog and it was believed the pilot mistook the road to the airport for the runway. 2 People died. It turned out our guide lost a good friend on that plane who was a Burmese tour guide which spoke German. Apparently there would have been more casualties though the good deeds of this tour guide assisted in freeing passenger trapped in there seats and pushing them out the emergency exit. The guide stayed in the plane looking for any other trapped passengers when the plane exploded. Apparently the cabin crew where some of the first off due to the smoke on board at the time.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/two-dead-11-hurt-in-burma-plane-crash/story-e6frea6u-1226543395871
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2013 18:15

Originally Posted By: ant
Hope you're upstairs on that Big Plane, Pacman. I have avoided the rotten things until last trip, and to my horror found that in economy, the window seat lurk of having a wall to sleep against was denied me, the wall is some inches away from the window seat. Like in the very back bit of a jumbo. Awful.

I won't be in one of those again, that's for sure.


Thank you for sharing, i'm going to see if i can get a seat upstairs if possible.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/03/2013 22:21

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/break...o-1226609584563

If I was in Sydney I'd go and see this.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2013 19:40

...and here's the flyover.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/stunning-photos-qantas-emirates-airbus-a380s-fly-over-sydney-harbour
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/04/2013 10:13

Yup pretty cool. Would love to see something like that. The A380 is impressive enough in real life.

Cessna has gone missing in the NT with 4 people onboard. Darwins Careflight has now joined the search as weather and heavy rain squalls have died down.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/04/2013 12:36

On the airtrain to Brisbane airport yesterday I noticed a USAF KC-10 Extender sitting on ramp just off to the side of the International Terminal. I couldn't get any photos in time because the train was fairly beetling along.
I saw it there at about 10:15am or so, looked like all the ground power units were pulled away and there was just the forward stairs still attached.

By the time I took off at 13:40 it was gone.

Magnificent looking aircraft they are.
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 19:03

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/plane-crashes-off-coast-of-bali/story-e6frfq80-1226619817622 full on
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 19:43

while its obviously bad news the plane has overshot the runway, thankfully it seems no bad injuries at this early stage.
the above newspaper report is a bit dodgy imo, says the flight was from london to denpasar, dont think they use 737's on such long flights, dont think lion air actually flies to between london and bali anyway.
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 21:11

Originally Posted By: Mick10
while its obviously bad news the plane has overshot the runway, thankfully it seems no bad injuries at this early stage.
the above newspaper report is a bit dodgy imo, says the flight was from london to denpasar, dont think they use 737's on such long flights, dont think lion air actually flies to between london and bali anyway.


doesn't say anything about being en route from London - West Java I think
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 21:13

Sea Lion

Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 22:32

news.com.au now saying it was flying from Bandung in West Java to Denpasar.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 22:52

Originally Posted By: Ms Milo
doesn't say anything about being en route from London - West Java I think

the first report they put out did say it was enroute from london to bali. they have obviously updated it.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 22:55

No deaths thank god
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/04/2013 23:42

Whilst on the subject of aviation.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-te...c-1226619892302
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/04/2013 10:59

Apparently freak weather most likely caused this crash.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/extra...0-1226621310661
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2013 23:02

fanatastic queensland made doco airs tomorrow (Anzac Day) at 10:50am, then again at 1am nation wide on 7mate. Called "Spitfire Guardians". great doco on the history of the aircraft. worth a watch or atleast record it. a mate of mine on the sunshine coast produced it himself.
Posted by: UK Steve

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2013 00:36

The world's shortest scheduled commercial flight.

http://youtu.be/pizP-00lVLM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tion-firms.html
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2013 08:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7niLYSVFo

Roughly 9 minutes but if you were just the average Joe on the street & saw this.. you would think the world was coming to an end. Incredible video of B-52 Stratofortresses (lots of them!) at Minimum Interval Take-Off.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2013 08:59

Pretty insane footage of a cargo plane in what appears to be a stall before crashing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-01/video-footage-emerges-of-747-crash-in-afghanistan/4661632
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2013 10:15

7 people dead
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/05/2013 16:03

Yeah, general consensus is cargo movement after takeoff. Apparently they had 5 MRAPS as cargo - if so that's getting close to max load for a 747.
They also have to have an extra steep climb out of Bagram due to a combination of mountains and potential ground fire etc.
RIP to the crew.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/05/2013 23:10

Definition of clear air turbulence tonight near Mackay.
Posted by: Trim Tab

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/05/2013 17:06

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Apparently freak weather most likely caused this crash.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/extra...0-1226621310661


There's a preliminary report out and it seems the crew were a little tardy in performing a go-around ... finally attempting to do so at 20ft, about 445ft too late.

http://www.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/pre/Preliminary_Report_PK-LKS_Lion_Air.pdf

Maybe not freakish weather, but you could say it was at least weather related - they couldn't see the ground because the weather got in the way. Thankfully no fatalities, but a shame to write-off a brand new Boeing and risk lives for the sake of a few minutes doing another approach.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/05/2013 17:20

I'd argue that the downpour would have sent air upwards, thus only really effecting them 100ft or lower, bsically aquaplaning with air!

Its a bastard to try and fly through. ATC should have realised an ordered a go around
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/05/2013 22:32

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/05/first-footage-of-an-f-35b-taking-off-straight-into-the-air/
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 09:38

777-200 Belonging to Asiana Airlines down on approach to San Fransisco. 290 odd aboard w/ 2 deaths and 10 critical at the moment.

http://www.news.com.au/world-news/asiana...v-1226675431955

Apparently ILS was out and the landings were being made visually. Speculation is pilot error at the moment.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 10:31

Weather was fine too, surely pilots have enough experience to fly and land on VFR if they have to.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 10:57

Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
Weather was fine too, surely pilots have enough experience to fly and land on VFR if they have to.


That's the problem,they should.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 13:10

Would not be happy if I was stuck behind someone getting their shopping out of the overhead bins...
http://i.imgur.com/EUbb6Ej.jpg
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 14:09

or standing around taking photos while an aircraft is on fire!!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 14:28

Witness on board said he knew the airport well and he thought they came in too fast and to low.

Seems to have hit the sea wall before the runway , bounced back in the air, landed again and lost control.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/07/2013 16:31

aerial footage on the news shows debris trail starting at the sea wall. must have been where the tail ripped off.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 11:32

It's amazing more weren't killed.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 20:28

2 deceased were found on the run way after the tail broke off.
Posted by: Homer

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 21:28

Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
2 deceased were found on the run way after the tail broke off.


And apparently, one of them killed my an emergency rescue vehicle. Luck was out that day.

Homer.
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 21:56

Originally Posted By: Homer
Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
2 deceased were found on the run way after the tail broke off.


And apparently, one of them killed my an emergency rescue vehicle. Luck was out that day.

Homer.


[censored] outta luck. Unreal to have survived a plane crash and then get taken out by an emergency vehicle
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 22:31

Originally Posted By: Ms Milo
Originally Posted By: Homer
Originally Posted By: Trav Dog
2 deceased were found on the run way after the tail broke off.


And apparently, one of them killed my an emergency rescue vehicle. Luck was out that day.

Homer.


[censored] outta luck. Unreal to have survived a plane crash and then get taken out by an emergency vehicle


Yeah very unfortunate.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/07/2013 22:51

Watching the footage from this crash, its amazing the whole plane didn't blow up. Check out this footage and the way the plane rises up before hitting hard. Lucky that only 2 died. Unlucky for the one that got run over by a rescue truck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eotOVyXQYmc
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/07/2013 09:36

Quite a testament to the strength of the 777!

Also the fact that it took the fire ~3mins to catch in the cabin shows that all that research and design in fire retardant materials actually was of benefit.
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/07/2013 20:08

I'm off on the mail run flight tomorrow from Doomadgee to Burketown - Mornington Island- Normanton and finally Cairns, almost 5 hours on a Dash8..... Excited much!!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/07/2013 06:53

Have fun buddy, I have fond memories of flying from cairns, to karumba, and then the ten minute flight home from karumba to Normanton.

It's gods country
Posted by: Helen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/07/2013 14:26

We're on a plane to Glasgow, via Singapore and London in 12 days. There'll be lots of photos to share when we get back. smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/07/2013 14:42

Looking forward to it smile
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/08/2013 21:08

Went up for a 60 minute flight with one of our suppliers a couple of weeks back in one of the new Citation X jets over the Timor Sea and Northern Kimberley. Quite a memorable experience with an incredibly steep take-off angle and a cruising speed of mach 0.9 at 48,000 feet.

A spare 22 million would certainly see one parked up in the hangar! laugh
Posted by: datadog

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 05/09/2013 22:45

Originally Posted By: Orebound
Went up for a 60 minute flight with one of our suppliers a couple of weeks back in one of the new Citation X jets over the Timor Sea and Northern Kimberley. Quite a memorable experience with an incredibly steep take-off angle and a cruising speed of mach 0.9 at 48,000 feet.

A spare 22 million would certainly see one parked up in the hangar! laugh


Not much use gettin into that little strip near a favourite fishing hole.. wink







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Posted by: duckweather

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/09/2013 07:52

Hi folks.
Could someone tell me what plane has 3 engines on each wing and sounds quite like the Antonov - long droning, deep sound.
One just flew over here, heading east. It was huuuge.
Cheers, Duck.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/09/2013 14:37

you sure it wasn't an antonov? where did it take off from and what markings did it have?
Posted by: duckweather

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/09/2013 17:10

Hi Mick10.

It was a magnificent looking plane - light colour (possibly white) and without my glasses on (I've got pretty good vision for long distance, but need the specs for complete clarity) I couldn't see any particular markings.
The thing that got me going outside to look at it was the noise it made. Remember the sound of the Antanov as it flew in the movie 2012? That's what it sounded like...I knew it sounded different to the usual planes we get going over here, and when I saw it, I knew it wasn't a 'regular'.
The wingspan was massive and I couldn't get my eyes off it.
Anyway, I think it may have come from the west, possibly Tullamarine Airport or possibly Essendon...it would have had to have been a big airport to accommodate this beast.

Cheers, Duck.
Posted by: duckweather

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/09/2013 17:41

This looks virtually the same type of plane as the one I saw today.
Image from wikimedia.com and uploaded with Imageshack



Cheers, Duck.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/09/2013 23:10

Scary news today regarding those 2 Qantas planes over South Australia. The chances of a hit mid air is highly unlikely but imagine the devastation to the Australian air industry if it happened. 2 A330's taking each other out. That would be bad. Very bad.
Qantas near miss.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/09/2013 19:39

I've been on a few other flights since my last post in this thread, let's see, hmmm...

I didn't get to go to Fiji in June last year as I had hoped, I was tied down by my final year studies at RMIT University frown

But I did manage to go to Fiji for Christmas and New Year and to celebrate my engagement with my fiancée's family, relatives and friends smile I was initially booked in to fly with Virgin Australia direct from Melbourne to Nadi on December 17th 2012, but due to the chaos being unleashed by Category 4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan through parts of the South Pacific, my flight was cancelled and I had to catch a connecting flight via Brisbane two days later. I was suffering from severe sleep deprivation, including a migraine, by the time I landed in Nadi later that day; over 24 hours without any sleep is not good! But at least that didn't compare with the terrible destruction and heartache left behind by Evan! frown

I missed two storm opportunities, both here in Melbourne (I left for Brisbane just before the first showers associated with a cold front arrived: http://www.theweatherchaser.com/radar-loop/IDR023-melbourne/2012-12-18-18/2012-12-19-23), and again in Brisbane (there were severe thunderstorms the previous day: http://www.theweatherchaser.com/radar-loop/IDR663-brisbane/2012-12-18-00/2012-12-18-23) frown

At least I got treated to a lovely sunrise at Melbourne Airport, with the sun popping up over Mount Dandenong as I was taxiing onto the north-south runway, followed by a gorgeous sunlit view of Lake Hume near Albury/Wodonga on the Murray River (with Corryong and the New South Wales Snowy Mountains off in the distance), and I saw some impressive, MASSIVE cumulonimbus thunderstorm activity over New Caledonia and Vanuatu during the afternoon! grin

I should also mention that my flight to Nadi was stuck on the tarmac at Brisbane Airport for about an hour due to a lot of domestic and international flights arriving and also queuing up for departure, it was fun to sit on the runway and watch all these planes coming in and taking off wondering when my turn would be! haha smile

My fiancée joined me back in Australia for the rest of the summer; we flew out of Nadi to Sydney via Brisbane on January 8th 2013, again with Virgin Australia. There was a lot of smoke over the Brisbane region and just offshore in the Coral Sea from bushfires raging across parts of New South Wales and Queensland at the time. Otherwise, the only weather-related excitement from the trip was 'trade wind cumulus' over the Coral Sea and South Pacific Ocean, and tropical thunderstorm activity over the northern horizon (possibly due to the Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone or ITCZ). The Brisbane-Sydney flight was after dark; we changed from the International to Domestic terminals at Brisbane Airport around sunset.

After spending about a week in Sydney (the highlight of which included a lunch date at the Opera House on our last day in the NSW Capital), my fiancée and I took a coach down to Merimbula on the NSW South Coast, where we joined up with my family, and then returned to Melbourne via Corryong in Northeast Victoria. My fiancée returned to Fiji at the beginning of autumn.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/09/2013 20:37

More recently, I also flew to Cairns for a holiday with my family between July 14th and July 22nd this year, travelling with Virgin Australia from Melbourne to Cairns via Brisbane (morning and by day), and returning direct from Cairns to Melbourne with Jetstar (at night).

Using data from Flightradar24.com I was able to determine roughly where I was when, especially while taking photos as I often like to do when in the air. The trip from Melbourne northwards on July 14th was most memorable and I was in a perfect seating position (next to an east-facing window, during both legs of the journey) to enjoy it! And the weather was mostly in my favour, with a low pressure trough (with an associated warm northerly airflow) generating a mass of thick cloud and rain over Victoria and much of NSW/ACT (except for the Northeast corner) and the southeast 'trade wind' belt affecting the weather from Northeast NSW all the way up the East Coast to Far North Queensland.

Firstly, as we were flying out of Melbourne to Brisbane at around 6:15am I briefly got to see the magic of countless thousands of lights around Craigieburn and others areas of the northern suburbs, before disappearing into the cloud associated with the trough, but that was just the beginning. About 20 minutes later, just after we crossed the Murray River from Victoria into NSW (somewhere in the area encompassing Corowa/Wahgunyah, Albury/Wodonga, Culcairn, Holbrook, and Wagga Wagga) the first hint of light to signal dawn's approach became visible above the horizon to the east; another 15-20 minutes later (within the Cowra/Canowindra/Orange region of Central NSW) the sun itself appeared, shining as a yellow/orange/red ball through thick cloud painted with reds, oranges, yellows, pinks, and purples! So magical!! grin

The only downside was a bit of turbulence as we were flying out of Melbourne into the cloudmass, but at least it was nothing compared to what I experienced during my trip back home from Sydney three years ago frown

Once we started entering the region around and north/northeast of Mudgee, the flight cleared most of the cloud associated with the trough. From here until we arrived in Brisbane, the rest of the trip was fairly uneventful, minus valley fogs throughout inland regions of Northeast NSW valleys (particularly around Merriwa, Muswellbrook, and Scone, and east/northeast of Tamworth, Armidale and Guyra) and convective showers along and off the East Coast within the southeast 'trade wind belt'.

Two or three times during the Melbourne-Brisbane segment, the plane flew threw or over several contrails left behind from other flights, mostly from those travelling to or from Sydney, including one we flew over near Bumbaldry (near Cowra) from a plane most likely travelling between Sydney (roughly due east at around Latitude 34 South) and either Adelaide or Perth.

After descending into thick cloud once again over the Gold Coast hinterland, we landed in cold, rainy conditions in Brisbane at around 8am. It was actually colder in Brisbane when we landed (about 12C) than it was back in Melbourne prior to our departure (about 15C but also rainy)!! eek crazy I sure was glad when we boarded our flight for Cairns at around 9:30am, knowing that the heat and humidity of tropical Far North Queensland were just a few hours' away to the north! grin

Most of the flight up the Queensland East Coast was over extensive levels of cumulus and altocumulus with showers, making it difficult to observe the local geography, including the coastline, islands and the Great Barrier Reef; amongst the few I was able to see and photograph were: Fraser Island; Lady Elliot Island (somewhere offshore between Bundaberg and Gladstone); the Northumberland Islands to the southeast of Mackay; a number of reefs within the Great Barrier Reef offshore from Cardwell, Tully, and Mission Beach; and the Green Island Reef just prior to coming into land at the Cairns International Airport.

The trip home on July 22nd was at night as I mentioned (plus it was mostly cloudy at times, mainly in Queensland due to a developing low pressure trough) so it was too dark and difficult to see and photograph much (even with a full-moon), apart from the lights of major towns scattered across Victoria and into NSW smile



I forgot to mention in my last post that the change in climatic conditions during my transit from Melbourne to Nadi via Brisbane last summer really hit me! It was a lovely, balmy morning in Melbourne (with a forecast top of 32C) but as soon as I arrived in Brisbane the humidity smacked me in the face (even though I was only in the 'subtropics' and not yet in the tropics themselves) poke well, at least it prepared me for the even more torrid conditions that awaited me in Fiji! smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/09/2013 23:19

Great doco.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/tv/technology/concorde-flying-supersonic-4392705.html
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/10/2013 15:10

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/t...1010-2v9nd.html

Jetstar's Dreamliner being built.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/10/2013 00:23

Remember Ansett..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F75vKABaTA
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/10/2013 18:47

one of my lecturers worked for Ansett in the cargo division before moving to Emirates
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/10/2013 22:17

Common sense prevails. You've got to feel for the poor soul driving the vehicle.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-19/pr...ir-cras/5033146
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2013 15:59

You would think in these extreme crosswinds this airport would have closed till the weather changed for the better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk9eTA9gHrE
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2013 16:47

Insane cros winds, the larger aircraft can handle it, but i'd say the airport probably started turning the smaller aircraft away.....

imagine how rough the landing would be, it sure would get the adrenalin pumping grin
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/10/2013 22:51

Check this out but make sure your volume is down, I almost jumped outta my seat to an altitude of 121,000 ft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQw_C5KLhFM
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 16:32

I recently came back from a trip to Adelaide for a family reunion on the weekend of October 26-28 2013, having road-tripped with some relatives all the way from Melbourne along the Western and Dukes Highways on the Saturday and flying back to Melbourne on Monday evening.

I was based in Glenelg during the trip, and got to visit - or at least drove through, wherever possible and whenever time allowed - places such as the Adelaide Hills (including Stirling, Balhannah, Woodside, Lobethal, Uraidla, Cudlee Creek, Norton Summit, and Mount Lofty), the Adelaide CBD, and various suburbs such as West Beach and Unley.

The weather could've been better, the whole time from the moment I left Melbourne to the moment I returned home it was a mixture of sun and cloud with on-and-off showers (and a risk of thunderstorms on the Sunday) and with temperatures fluctuating from below 10C to around 26C, and at times it was windy, particularly on the Monday afternoon, but it didn't spoil my trip or the family get-together! smile

I didn't realise how quick the flight was, barely an hour or so in the air, a lot shorter than some other flights I've been on (eg. Melbourne-Nadi, Brisbane-Nadi, Brisbane-Cairns, and Cairns-Melbourne). But towards the end I entered the Melbourne area from the north (around Bendigo according to Flightradar24.com) and for a good 20 minutes or so I was flying through thick cloud!

At least there was a stunning sunset during the return flight! smile
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 16:58

Very hairy approach on sunday into sydney.

Vigorous southerly change hit right on my approach and boy the wind shear was crazy. 80kmhr gusts on the surface. I didnt see the runway until we were 20 feet off the ground we were on that big of a cross wind angle.

a few people screamed when we were locked on the ILS it was that bad.

good fun!!! Love my 737800
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 17:24

Anyone had any luck getting on the Jetstar Dreamliner yet?
Posted by: Foehn Correspondent

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 17:46

Hi Xavo,

I had a look at the Jetstar Web site looks like it doesn't start domestic services until 13/11/13 and then runs until December before moving to international sectors.

http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/dreamliner/routes
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 18:26

Out of curiosity, does anyone live at and/or frequently visit any location(s) where planes often fly overhead or nearby? smile

My house near the Dandenong Ranges here in Melbourne is in/near the flight-path of planes travelling between Melbourne and Tasmania (mainly Hobart and Launceston), and between Melbourne and New Zealand (usually Auckland and Wellington, but sometimes Christchurch, Dunedin, and Christchurch). Occasionally, planes travelling to and from other various destinations such as between New Zealand, Adelaide, Perth, Singapore, Johannesburg and Sydney can be seen flying overhead, with their contrails left behind sometimes for several hours depending on the weather conditions. smile

Corryong in Northeast Victoria sees a LOT of air traffic as well, and a good deal more than that at my home in Melbourne!!

The vast majority of planes flying over Corryong are those travelling between Melbourne (mainly Tullamarine but occasionally Avalon near Geelong) and Sydney, but planes travelling between Melbourne and other destinations to the northeast such as Canberra, Newcastle, Port Vila in Vanuatu (not 100% certain about this destination), Nadi in Fiji, Honolulu, and Los Angeles can also be seen travelling overhead. It is also sometimes possible to see planes flying between Hobart and Brisbane (and possibly between Canberra and Brisbane and the Gold Coast, since the Capital lies right in the Hobart-Brisbane flight path). I believe it is also possible to sometimes see planes travelling that look as though they're heading towards Melbourne from Sydney but then suddenly change direction and head south towards Hobart. And it is also possible, occasionally, to see planes travelling between Albury and Sydney.

As for planes travelling between Melbourne and Southeast Queensland (Gold Coast, Brisbane and Sunshine Coast), they can't be seen from Corryong; there are too many mountains blocking my view of the flight path to the west/northwest. But I only need to travel to the Albury/Wodonga/Beechworth/Wangaratta area to the west if I want to get a visual! smile
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 18:51

Originally Posted By: Xavo
Anyone had any luck getting on the Jetstar Dreamliner yet?


For anyone that doesn't know the dreamliner is running Melbourne to Cairns and back and Melbourne to Gold Coast and back. When I last looked the cairns trip was $179 each way which is pretty reasonable for a new aircraft. Would love to give it a go. I beleive singapore may be their international destination first, can't quite remember.

I should plan a day to take some pictures of it landing grin
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 18:54

im just outside of the flight path at townsville airport aussie storm freak. we dont get alot of planes outside the usual 737's and Q400's but often get some ripper RAAF planes coming and going to RAAF base tsv often.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 20:55

Originally Posted By: Mick10
im just outside of the flight path at townsville airport aussie storm freak. we dont get alot of planes outside the usual 737's and Q400's but often get some ripper RAAF planes coming and going to RAAF base tsv often.


Awesome Mick10, would love it if there was an RAAF Base on my side of Melbourne! I saw an RAAF C-17 Globemaster deliver $1 million worth of aid at Nadi International Airport in the wake of Category 4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan last summer while I was in Fiji; the first shipments from Australia arrived the very same day I flew into Fiji from Melbourne via Brisbane to spend Christmas and New Year with my fiancee (December 19th 2012)! smile

Originally Posted By: aussiestormfreak
My house near the Dandenong Ranges here in Melbourne is in/near the flight-path of planes travelling between Melbourne and Tasmania (mainly Hobart and Launceston), and between Melbourne and New Zealand (usually Auckland and Wellington, but sometimes Christchurch, Dunedin, and Christchurch).


I meant to say 'Christchurch, Dunedin, and Queenstown' but said Christchurch twice instead, sorry if anyone's noticed, my bad! poke
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 21:38

Originally Posted By: Foehn Correspondent
Hi Xavo,

I had a look at the Jetstar Web site looks like it doesn't start domestic services until 13/11/13 and then runs until December before moving to international sectors.

http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/dreamliner/routes



Ah cool, I thought it was the 1st of November.

$180 isn't too bad for a weekend in Melbourne I reckon wink
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2013 22:39

Originally Posted By: aussiestormfreak
I saw an RAAF C-17 Globemaster deliver $1 million worth of aid at Nadi International Airport in the wake of Category 4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Evan last summer while I was in Fiji; the first shipments from Australia arrived the very same day I flew into Fiji from Melbourne via Brisbane to spend Christmas and New Year with my fiancee (December 19th 2012)! smile


yeah we had one land yesterday evening. my little 3yo loves planes and was in awe of the c17. he runs out to the back door everytime a plane lands! very cute.
the c17 I think was dropping off equipment and supplies. the new ready taskforce based in Townsville to cover the pacific officially started on November 1. they have their first exercise starting tomorrow leaving for NZ. we are covering for the news but sadly the job at the raaf base hasn't been given to me frown we also had a RAAF A330 land the evening before, one of the mid air refuelers. we don't get many large aircraft like that landing here unless its defence, lovely to watch.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/11/2013 00:52

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/t...1024-2w3k0.html

1000 seat plane?
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/11/2013 13:19

Originally Posted By: ColdFront



I doubt there will ever be a 1000 seat aircraft. It would be a nightmare to keep profitable. My lecturers said that to maintain an economy exclusive flight an airline would need around 95% capacity to break even and keep prices from being rather expensive. This percentage decreses a little when there are smaller aircraft. This is why the Low Cost Carriers are prone to canceling flights.

The only thing to warrent an aircraft like a 1000 seater would be a change of fuel source to something renewable.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/11/2013 16:31

not good news with Qantas closing down the heavy maintenance facility at Avalon. obviously newer and modern aircraft make maintenance less of an issue but 300 jobs is alot of jobs in an industry to that relies heavily on safety.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/11/2013 09:35

OOPS. Wrong airport.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-22/gi...airport/5109806
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/12/2013 12:29

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-06/qa...ounceme/5139902

I can't help but feel that after Qantas went after Compass and our other airlines with anti-competitive behaviour to force them out of business that there is an element of karma in their latest woes.

I remember when they had to all to themselves and suddenly airfares skyrocketed. It would cost a $1000 to fly from Melbourne to Perth.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/12/2013 17:58

Amazing Space Station video.

http://vimeo.com/45878034
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/12/2013 21:12

Too good not to share, couldn't pass this one up considering Xmas is just around the corner.
http://www.fox.com.au/shows/the-dan-maz-show/blog/2013/12/canadian-airlines-xmas-surprise/
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/12/2013 22:35

That's awesome. Not to mention the PR value.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2013 23:18

http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-...q-1226792025860

I'd just like to say that I haven't received my thousand bucks poke

(Also if you look at my youtube video, theres absolutely nothing saying it got hit by lightning...)
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/01/2014 00:24

A bit concerning for some passengers probably.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-09/pa...airport/5193086
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/01/2014 22:33

Personal Jet


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/swiss-jet-man-flies-around-japans-mount-fuji/5075462
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/01/2014 19:04

Oops wrong airport.

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/lifestyle/s...6-1226801188209
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/01/2014 17:33

I'm keen to see if these new Max Boeings are similar to the dreamliner inside, Virgin Australia are committed to 23 at the moment

737 MAX
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/01/2014 22:25

Yeah I watched the vid on those Daewoodman.

Meanwhile one day we may see something like this?

http://www.behance.net/gallery/AWWA-Sky-Whale-Concept-Plane/11891085

Maybe with the breakthrough in Graphene this will become a reality some day.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/technology/cool-list/10336014/cool-tech-graphene.html
Posted by: datadog

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/01/2014 21:39

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Yeah I watched the vid on those Daewoodman.

Meanwhile one day we may see something like this?

http://www.behance.net/gallery/AWWA-Sky-Whale-Concept-Plane/11891085

Maybe with the breakthrough in Graphene this will become a reality some day.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/technology/cool-list/10336014/cool-tech-graphene.html


The wonders of real science research.

Just think what we could achieve if we stop wasting the billion dollars a year on the ABC and instead put the money to REAL science.. wink
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/02/2014 20:44

A possible return to supersonic flight.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/t...0203-31wlz.html
Posted by: Beltane

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/02/2014 22:14

It wasn't a 1,000 seat aircraft, but over 1,080 folk did fly at one time.

Here is the link below on this amazing flight:

http://www.aviatime.com/en/did-you-know/9817-the-record-for-the-most-passengers-on-an-aircraft
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2014 10:30

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
A possible return to supersonic flight.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/t...0203-31wlz.html




no mention of fuel there.... One of the only big obstacles left. Mach 4 is a bit out there, I wonder if their time calculations included to time to get to that speed. The last aircraft that went near that speed (SR-71) It was rather unsafe. It also leaked fluids on the ground so it could expand when it heated up going so fast. I believe an aircraft like the one that can go Mach 4 will be one of the first generation to fly without the pilot.

The mach 1.6 Private jet sounds interesting and will probably sell rather well even at $80m
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/02/2014 21:08

Yeah the design with that rear wing hardly promotes confidence in stability either,
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/02/2014 22:27

Flying a A320 this week and then two 737 800s. Unfortunatly I didnt get the 767 back from Sydney to Brissie frown
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/02/2014 12:16

Last week on Thursday I had to fly from Melbourne to Adelaide (to attend a funeral in the Adelaide Hills) aboard Jetstar flight JQ774 and returning home that night aboard JQ775.

A big issue for me before I catch a flight or else prepare for a big road trip is lack of sleep the night before, leaving me exhausted and suffering from sleep deprivation and even headaches/migraines! Sleep deprivation certainly affected me the night before my Melbourne-Adelaide flight, at best only 2 hours of shut-eye! frown

Other recent road trip and flight examples where I've had this 'lack of sleep problem' include:

1. Road trip from Melbourne to Canberra in December 2009

2. Early-morning flight direct from Melbourne to Sydney in July 2010

3. Road trip from Melbourne to Canberra in December 2010

4. Early-morning flight direct from Melbourne to Nadi (Fiji) in July 2011

5. Road trip/coach tour with my Fijian fiancee from Melbourne to the Great Ocean Road, Warrnambool and the Grampians in Western Victoria in February 2012

6. Early-morning flight from Melbourne to Nadi (Fiji) via Brisbane in December 2012

7. Early-morning flight from Melbourne to Cairns via Brisbane in July 2013

8. Road-trip from Melbourne to Adelaide in October 2013

Does anyone else suffer this same problem and is there any way to help overcome it?
Posted by: Duane

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/02/2014 10:06

Flying to Auckland in a couple of weeks time with Air New Zealand. Looking forward to seeing the safety presentation with those sexy babes I have heard about.
Duane.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/02/2014 10:13

Originally Posted By: Duane
Flying to Auckland in a couple of weeks time with Air New Zealand. Looking forward to seeing the safety presentation with those sexy babes I have heard about.
Duane.


Air New Zealand's cabin crew are all men. smile
Posted by: Duane

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/02/2014 11:15

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: Duane
Flying to Auckland in a couple of weeks time with Air New Zealand. Looking forward to seeing the safety presentation with those sexy babes I have heard about.
Duane.


Air New Zealand's cabin crew are all men. smile


I saw in the paper this week the safety video is done by bikini clad women grin

Duane.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 00:45


Duane I think your been sucked in...lol Bikini clad safety demo....don't think so...
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 13:36

Inbound storms

gonna be bloody turbulant


Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 15:02

Originally Posted By: aussiestormfreak
Does anyone else suffer this same problem and is there any way to help overcome it?


Hey, My mother suffers from that and it may just be stress related... It turns mum into a fire breathing dragon sometimes.
I'd say that maybe do a checklist of stuff the night before because I think half the stress is the fear of forgetting something important or sleeping through the alarm.

If availible maybe get a later flight at like 11:00 or 13:00 to eliminate the fear of over sleeping

Another reason, but probably not in your latest flight, the excitement of travelling or going on holiday can keep you awake. like a kid before christmas that wants to go to bed at 7 because he wants tomorrow to come faster. More often than not if I want to get to sleep to get to the next day for a festival or flying home I find it very hard to get to sleep. Unfortunately I don't know how to fix the excitment :S
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 16:54



got a bit bumpy
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 17:43

Originally Posted By: Duane
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: Duane
Flying to Auckland in a couple of weeks time with Air New Zealand. Looking forward to seeing the safety presentation with those sexy babes I have heard about.
Duane.


Air New Zealand's cabin crew are all men. smile


I saw in the paper this week the safety video is done by bikini clad women grin



Duane.



Haha. I thought you might check . They like their women. wink

They got chewed out for this sports illustrated ad.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/12/travel/air-new-zealand-safety-video/
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 23:09

Originally Posted By: Dawoodman
Originally Posted By: aussiestormfreak
Does anyone else suffer this same problem and is there any way to help overcome it?


Hey, My mother suffers from that and it may just be stress related... It turns mum into a fire breathing dragon sometimes.
I'd say that maybe do a checklist of stuff the night before because I think half the stress is the fear of forgetting something important or sleeping through the alarm.

If availible maybe get a later flight at like 11:00 or 13:00 to eliminate the fear of over sleeping

Another reason, but probably not in your latest flight, the excitement of travelling or going on holiday can keep you awake. like a kid before christmas that wants to go to bed at 7 because he wants tomorrow to come faster. More often than not if I want to get to sleep to get to the next day for a festival or flying home I find it very hard to get to sleep. Unfortunately I don't know how to fix the excitment :S



Thanks Dawoodman! Yes that's exactly my problem, and unfortunately I cannot do much about trying to catch a later flight if I want to travel to Fiji to see my fiancee; options for direct flights from Melbourne to Nadi are limited to either early-morning or late-evening. Options are hardly much better for connecting flights (eg. via Sydney, Brisbane, Auckland, etc) but that's something I must live with (along with the price of the flights themselves). frown

But I guess with more interstate flights (eg. Melbourne to Canberra, Sydney, Gold Coast, Brisbane, Cairns, Adelaide, Hobart, etc) I could try for late-morning or afternoon/evening flights if possible. We took an early-evening flight to Hobart in March 2005; from memory I'm pretty sure I was able to get plenty of sleep the night before, because I knew I didn't have to set my alarm to a ridiculously early hour smile

Oh and regarding the checklist, thanks! I'll try doing that in the future smile
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/02/2014 23:33

Hey guys!! smile

I'm in the process of trying to share all the countless thousands of photos (including weather-related - and aviation) on my Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak)... please feel free to go and view them!! smile

Here's some of my aviation photos, both individuals and sets:

Melbourne Airport (June 26th 2004): http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/8238058444/in/set-72157632988015091


A few aviation photos chucked in during my family holiday to Tasmania in March 2005, including Melbourne Airport, Hobart Airport, and Launceston Airport: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/sets/72157633008007626/


Some aviation photos taken during my trip to New Zealand in September/October 2006 (South Island only)... including Melbourne Airport, and Christchurch Airport (and the flights across the Tasman Sea): http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/sets/72157633196406760/


Pics taken during my trip to Queensland in September/October 2007, including Melbourne Airport, Brisbane Airport, and Hamilton Island Airport (wish I had've taken some pics at the Coolangatta Airport on the Gold Coast, bummer but ah well) smile http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/sets/72157633288391614/


Some pics taken of Melbourne Airport during a trip to Woodend in Victoria's Macedon Ranges northwest of Melbourne on August 31st 2008 (the whole set of photos can be viewed here http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/sets/72157638759841956/). Below are some samples from the trip:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/8710297996/in/set-72157638759841956 (Melbourne Airport, as seen from the Calder Freeway in Keilor heading northwest out of Melbourne)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aussiestormfreak/8710295580/in/set-72157638759841956 (Melbourne Airport, as seen from the Oaklands Road/Sunbury Road roundabout in Bulla
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/02/2014 10:30

How bizarre.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/travel/t...0220-331x8.html
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2014 18:42


As a child I made a model of the Concorde aircraft and from that day onwards I dreamt of the day when I could fly in one ...But alas it is still only a dream cause they don't fly anymore.

cry
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2014 18:56


Concorde like this one... cry

Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/02/2014 22:01

Don't worry! as soon as a new fuel source is found Supersonic flight will be back on the agenda.....

although personally I'd like lighter than air travel to also be a thing.... Like a cruise but in the air!
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/02/2014 22:20

Anyone here on the forum enjoy making paper aeroplanes (used to or still does)? They can be great fun but I find them difficult to make lol wink
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/02/2014 23:04

Watch the birdy.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/26/bird-smashes-plane-windscreen-video

Lucky guy.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/03/2014 19:22

These guys are nuts.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2014/feb/27/scotty-bob-morgan-flight-wingsuit-video
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 12:06

This doesn't look good.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 12:34

Not at all....given the way the signal stopped with no altitude loss seems like some form of explosion.

TS cool
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 12:44

It was supposed to land a few hours ago too according to the report I linked.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 13:15

oh no, not good at all if there was no mayday at all. terrible news none the less.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 17:28

Yeah doesn't sound good. Accident, catastrophic engine failure, bomb. Scary to think. Hope this doesn't escalate into something nasty.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 18:00

Originally Posted By: Mick10
oh no, not good at all if there was no mayday at all. terrible news none the less.


Yeah it's a bit weird Mick. No point speculating though.

6 Australians on board too apparently.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888

Interesting too that some websites had reported it had landed .
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 21:18

unfortunately the lack of news suggests that it went into the ocean frown
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2014 21:34

I cant figure out why authorities waited so long to react? its like they lost it, then waited 5 hours for it to magically show up in Beijing!
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 13:03

Interesting development this morning.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/mi...0309-hvgpg.html
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 16:08

Either terrorism or somehow the plane broke up from major structural failure that would have happend to fast to call a may day
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 16:35


Has been reported that the plane veering rather sharply all of a sudden then dropped 200metres then disappeared off the radar.
Doesn't sound too good at all.
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 20:55

Something really weird going on here, especially with the 4 unidentified passengers, 2 confirmed at least and speculation of another 2. That just doesn't happen. No traces of plane found yet...if it was in bits, surely the width of the area covered in small debris (with much floating too) would be wide enough for ppl to see. If the oil slick is from the plane ( I am sure it is) then debris should be found by now but no. To me it signals the plane could well be very much intact, in one or not many pieces fairly close together. They did state the radar tracked it till it hit the ocean or something like that, radar would get confused if lots of little bits fell down rather than one big bit.

TS cool
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 21:12

Originally Posted By: Thunderstruck
if it was in bits, surely the width of the area covered in small debris (with much floating too) would be wide enough for ppl to see. If the oil slick is from the plane ( I am sure it is) then debris should be found by now but no. To me it signals the plane could well be very much intact,


I was wondering the same. To disappear without a trace on the surface it would virtually need to do a perfect nosedive in one piece.

All speculation though at the moment.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 21:38

In a accident though, no matter the velocity involved you would expect floating debris.

I just think they have no clue where to start looking?

Hard to beleive they havent found any evidence other then a possible oil slick.

scary stuff.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 22:02

Reminds you of air France flight 447.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/03/2014 22:53

there would be thousands of floating bits of debris surely if it came apart, foam, seats, unused lifejackets even. so if it wasn't a bomb, no debris. if it nosedived in then the speed of the dive would cause it to break up surely.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 01:10

Only time going to reveal the answer on this one .Maybe as someone mentioned earlier they just haven't searched in the right area yet.
I have been to PhuQuoc Island off Vietnam and theres a lot of ocean around south and north west of there.

Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 08:21

Debris has reportably been found
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 09:38

well i guess in the case of the air france that plane went down with out a trace, took months to find but that was in the deep ocean of the central atlantic. still cant believe in this day that planes can go down with out being traced down to a location.
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 11:43

54 hours later and still nothing confirmed. Amazing that in this day and age a 777 could just disappear with no trace. The radar indicated a sudden right move before it cut out, really wonder what could've happened.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 13:44

It could be sitting at the bottom of a 8km trench and coukd realistically not ever be found unless those blokes who found 447 and the titanic come in.
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 14:09

Thankfully the Gulf of Thailand is pretty shallow. Average depth is only 40m with the deepest down to about 100m. Even if it managed to crash further NE or E then the average depth is only ~1200m, it would have to have gone to the W of the Philippines to reach depths deeper than what Air France 447 was.

I've flown on some of the MAS 777-200's in the past, they are great planes and my fave to fly. Such sad news to hear one 'just disappear'.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 16:49

surely they must know its last transponder point? and from there calculate all forms of altitude loss scenarios to work out where it went. god if i can zoom in on my own backyard on google earth, then surely some satellites up there can pick up debris fields, oil slicks etc. must feel for the friends and family who still have no answers.

Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 17:07



Yes hard to believe that it can't be tracked considering you think that lots of people if they had their phones on would have had GPS, as well the fact that there is a website you can track flights in real time etc...
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 17:12

Lastest info...getting worse

"OFFICIALS are still mystified by the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The search has turned up no debris, and authorities are now investigating five passengers who never boarded"
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 18:01

Originally Posted By: Mick10
surely they must know its last transponder point?



Yes, they do.
Posted by: ozone doug

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 18:07

I find a lot of intresting info from Aviation herald ,Things that happen each day, many pilots input there ,some comements from people that know nothing too.lol. Probably won't want to fly after reading what happens each day lol. cheers Doug. http://avherald.com/
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 19:14

They must have some sort of Satellite link/relay, thermal readings etc, yet nothing. Its not the middle ages, we have apps to find our missing iPhones but no technology to find a giant jet. This is all a bit sus the longer it goes
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 19:35

Very suss

2 days now and no sign of debris at all. The earlier debris found was dismissed today.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 21:45

I reckon just put the 2 dodgey passport guys up on facebook and it will be solved in hours.

Unless of course they are innocent and just caught up in a bizarre crash.

Very strange that nothing has been found. Its almost like it has been landed on some remote runway but that would be impossible to go undetected. It would have to be on the sea floor. Very weird indeed.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 22:10

its been reported the passengers with dodgy passports had connecting flights to Germany and later on Denmark. its all just speculation hey. love to have answers, but only time will tell.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 22:11

http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation...ir-5246826.html

Two very lucky people.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 22:23

Originally Posted By: Mick10
its been reported the passengers with dodgy passports had connecting flights to Germany and later on Denmark. its all just speculation hey. love to have answers, but only time will tell.


By having a connecting flight from Beijing apparently meant they did not need a visa into China and therefore skipped additional security screening. Could have been planned to be that way.
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/03/2014 23:23

Here's the radar of the flight. Notice that at 3:03 2 other planes on the right lose contact as well.

MH370's altitude goes from 35,000ft to 0ft in half a second, strange.

MH370 Radar
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 01:08


Hope our Extraterrestrial friends havent got something to do with this..... confused
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 08:05

Still no news this morning

WTF
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 13:21

Nothing reported so far shocked has been substantial evidence of what happened to MH 370 .
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 13:27

Originally Posted By: desieboy
Nothing reported so far shocked has been substantial evidence of what happened to MH 370 .


Havn't youchecked facebook! It's HAARP, or a Gov't conspiracy to distract us from Ukrain, or Aliens, or the Bermuda triangle has shifted with the shifting of the earths axis. grin
Seriously the stuff on there is hilarious....CONSPIRACY THEORISTS UNITE grin
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 14:01


I did read on an aviation site that their was a slim chance it may have been hit by a meteorite and disintegrated. One pilot said he had seen one once go past while flying at night.

shocked
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 14:05

i was thinking Nando's might have been at it again, but i think this is even beyond them.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/03/2014 15:21



This has just come to hand ....

Regarding satellite imagery, I read that the US and NASA actually checked that, and after analysis, no explosion found.

Getting stranger by the minute..
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 01:22

Seems to me like this is some form of giant cover up. Malaysia know a LOT LOT more than we have been told and slowly bits are leaking out now. From PPrune forums:

What we heard/know:

MH370 made a turn at about 2:40 and at the same time all comms die...At 2:43 a US base supposedly receives a message from MH370 that the cabin is "disintegrating" 1:10 later MH370 is spotted on military radar being near Pulau Perak...no debris anywhere along route.

Two PAX with stolen passports are not related to any terrorist org.

Conclusions:

-MH370 did not crash on/near the route
-Turn was manually initiated & comms disabled
-Plane was evidently still flying 1:10 after it had "disappeared"
-Most likely not a terrorist related event

But nothing really makes sense. I don't think it is in the Gulf of Thailand. West of the mainland....how far west I don't know.
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 01:54

West of Phuket or somewhere in the Andaman Sea....keeping in mind the pinger is only good for 30 days as well, after which well, if they don't have a good ballpark area, they may never find it.

TS cool
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 02:21

Strange. Pilot suicide is another possibility (alike Silkair flight 185).

But now there's another bizarre development, the passengers phones are still ringing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...nes-active.html

If this is indeed true it may indicate the plane has hit land as phones wouldn't work underwater. I reckon it's crashed somewhere in southern parts of Vietnam with the pilot intentionally emptying the fuel tank (oil slicks) to prevent it exploding upon landing.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 07:43

Military now have come out and said they tracked it west once its radar turned off at a height of 10 000 Meters.


What the hells going on
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 10:28

yeah the transponder was turned off. the oil found in the gulf has been tested and its from a ship not an airplane. yesterday they moved the search to cover the malacca straight on the western side of the malayan mainland, now we know why.
hijacking attempt?
Posted by: slipperyfish

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 12:12

ALIENS !!!! wink
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 16:37



Hope they find it soon for everyone's sake...
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/03/2014 16:42



About the current search area and finding the plane it had just been said that the comparative would be like someone throwing a five cent piece on the ground of the SCG and them getting 10 people to look for it....
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 11:54

Looks like China are on the ball. They have released satellite images now of 3 objects, one especially to me looks like a mid section of a plane with wings minus the nose and tail. And I don't think China would risk world embarrassment by releasing images unless they were sure. Also probably have higher res ones themselves on the inside. The location of these images though is well EAST not west of the last known signal from the plane. Also correlates well with the oil rig chap's observation it came down mostly intact and in flames.

Looks like the radar image thing the west was something else. I think this will be it.

TS cool
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 18:37

What are the chances if was struck by a bolt out of the blue? I read somewhere that CA (Clear air) strikes can be more powerful than regular incloud or CG strikes and can travel a fair distance from the thunder head itself even if the air in the vicinity is clear.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 18:56

I think they are going to need to call on the services of James Bond. I think its been flown to a remote runway and is sitting under cover being held by hijackers. Definitely a job for Bond.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 20:03

Now there saying

"U.S. investigators now suspect the aircraft stayed airborne for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to the publication's sources.

The WSJ referenced engine data which its sources claim indicates the plane continued to fly for hours beyond its last known location.

A total flight time of five hours could put the flight's final destination at the Indian Ocean, the border of Pakistan or even the Arabian Sea"

Where the hell is it and what happened ?????? confused cry cry crazy crazy eek
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 20:39

5 days now. Its a joke.

what the hells going on.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 20:42

Why fly it 4 hours further and crash it into the sea. Wouldn't it me insane to have it turn up on land hidden and the passengers still alive.

A question. Would this be possible and how could it possibly go undetected. Seems about a 1% chance but you have to consider it.

I guess you need a big runway to land a plane that big and a big hanger to hide it from satellites.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 20:48

Yeah. I can't see how you could land a 777 somewhere without it being noticed. Unfortunately it has gone down, it's just a matter of finding it.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 20:49

Boeing 777 from memory has a wingspan of 60m and a length of 60m too.

Bloody big shack to hold it somewhere hey haha
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2014 21:40

surely at some point, some debris is going to be seen from the air, from a boat or wash up on a beach. SE asia is so heavily populated something will show up, just a matter of when!
still possible it was hijacked and then maybe they crashed it or a fight occurred on board?
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/03/2014 15:07


Now we are being told that;

US officials said that because two separate communication systems were shut down separately, the plane did not suffer a catastrophic accident.
"According to data obtained, the reporting system was shut down at 1.07am (Malaysia time) and the transponder at 1.21am.

This suggested that the shut down in communications was deliberate, ABC News aviation consultant John Nance said.

Another US official said that they may have an "indication" of where the missing flight may be located, and have switched focus to the Indian Ocean."

Wonder if it in the bush in the Kimberley somewhere??? shocked Will have alook when I walk the dog after work... laugh

Now its getting stranger by the minute. frown
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/03/2014 16:26


You can track a shark for thousands of kilometres with a chip even when it drops to the bottom of the ocean ...but you can't track a 60 metre long jet when its out of radar????

In this day and with all our technological achievements it seems just a little stupid wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/03/2014 17:40

Had a few pilots out at work yesterday and they were talking about the show 'Air crash Investigations' and how each episode was based around a crash and the new safety regulations introduced to the airline industry due to that crash.

Guess what will be the new safety regulations introduced after this incident is figured out? Tracking, transfer of flight data, maybe a few other things that modern technology could easily do.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 11:59

An interest take on things from a comments section of a news article. Suicidal pilot.

"2 hours in to a flight is usually when, on a two person flight deck,
someone usually needs a bathroom break. During this bathroom break one of the
pilot was locked out of the cockpit and the aircraft manually
depressurized by the suicidal , religiously motivated pilot. After 10-15 minutes at 40K feet,
all the passengers would have died as their oxygen depleted. After 20-30
minutes, all the flight attendants portable oxygen bottles would have
then been depleted. Cockpit oxygen supply lasts much longer.

During the frantic depressurization scene, the rogue muslim pilot dons his
oxygen mask, kills the transponder, ACARS data link and the cockpit
voice recorder. Only a seasoned pilot would know where these items were
in a sophisticated cockpit. He turns the plane towards the deepest part
of the ocean within 3-4 hours of flying time. A simple Google Earth
search would reveal he didn't need to fly far. Reversing course leads to
the deepest water in shortest distance/time. Deep ocean water would
make recovering the Black box next to impossible and he knew that. "
Posted by: gazzatsv

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 13:03

It is a disgrace the way this is all being handled...there are a million experts, thousands more theories and yet very little collaboration to actually find the best way to approach this. Information is being withheld.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 13:31


Apparently just read that information was being withheld from the public forum due to the fact that they didn't want saboteurs or hijackers to know what is happening with the search etc... and the fact they may be on to them...
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 14:23

Yeah imagine it just sitting on the ground somewhere and behind the scenes the various countries are coordinating a big, Navy seal, commando raid on the plane? To apprehend the hijackers and save the hostages. Hollywood will be all over this in a few years. Anything is possible.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 14:23

Facebook is over run by conspiracy nutters who crawl out from under their rock in these events. The best most can do is copy and paste links from freak blogs and other like minded nutters. They need to find this plane to shut these idiots up.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 14:26

A lot of theories are plausible rain gauge if it was as simple as it just crashed into the ocean then so be it but I dont think it was as simple as that. What's your theory then rain gauge?
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 14:30

The plane has vanished. I think it's most likely at the bottom of the ocean which is why no signals have been found. I would've expected some debris by now, but every plane crash is different. Id prefer to wait until some things found ,rather than filling in the blanks with outrageous theories that have bigger holes in it then any official theory.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 14:44

Pretty wild that a 200 tonne plane 70X60meters with 239 peoples bags, carry on, life vests, chairs, cups, plates, just nose dives in and disappears without a trace. No break up on entry, no debris, no signs or anything.

I guess if it was pointed down and hit with speed the whole plane would be 100+metres down and descending deeper almost straight away.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 15:08

I agree it is a mystery.
However that doésn't mean conspiracy or even hijacking.
I guess we will just have to wait and see when they find the plane if it's just a accident or a crime.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 15:23



No ones certain of what actually happened but most agree it was no accident....but there's definitely more to the story than is being told that is for sure.

All we can do is wait......and wait ...and wait for some answers.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 16:19

Or it could be as simple as this example from a few years ago.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409703/Ghost-flight-horror-crash-blamed-pilots.html


The only real facts are the planes missing.
Everything else is speculation
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 16:51

[quote=rain gauge]Or it could be as simple as this example from a few years ago.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-409703/Ghost-flight-horror-crash-blamed-pilots.html


Yes well that was just plain old human error by two couldn't really call it a complete accident.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 16:55

Media conference on ABC 24/Sky news soon from Malaysian Prime Minister. Should be interesting to see the updates and what rumours will be quashed.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 17:17


Just come to hand:

A Malaysian government official says investigators have concluded that one of the pilots or someone else with flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 17:38

Yep that all just confirmed in latest press conference from Prime Minister of Malaysia. Hijacking. 3 separate organisations conclusively have come up with a similar outcome from the data at hand.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 18:01


And what I said the other day was not far off the truth they say it may have flown all the way to W.A ..... smirk
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 18:25

It could be a hijacking gone wrong or even a crew member commiting suicide. What is known is its consistent with a deliberate act (but not conclusive)how can it be since no one actually saw any act committed.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 19:16



Don't the know answer to that rain gauge but I'd say the military probably know what is going on with what has already happened and that part of things they just don't know where the plane is.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 19:42

Reports now indicate it may have flown 7 hours deliberately off course and instruments and signals back to control towers were all slowly turned off.it could be anywhere from Kazakhstan too the southern indian ocean.This is a very big development..
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 19:54

Next thing we know MH370 will suddenly appear on radar, refuelled, nuke onboard and heading towards a target with 239 hostages on board. Now that's speculation....
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 22:08

More ridiculous theories have been put forward.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 22:37

Really. What are they rain gauge?
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 22:39

Are you serious?
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 22:47

Seems like your too serious mate. Everyone has the ability to say what they want. What's the problem with that. You want to bag me out for saying something that no doubt would have crossed authorities minds then go ahead. If you want to stick to your 1 outcome then maybe you need to broaden your thoughts into what could have happened. Cause I can guarantee authorities would be still looking at a range of possibilities. Anyway.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 22:52

All conspiracy like minded people go on the attack and say the same thing Öh open your mind) Its laughable

What makes you think I'm sticking to one outcome?
Nothing I've said suggests that.

Not every mystery is a cover up, and
doubting every official story is as brainless as believing everything.

But then you conspiracy minded people think you know something the rest of us don't.

So you got any evidence?
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:04

HAHA you make me laugh. OK from now on I will only talk about the likely outcomes. Because it seems the authorities are getting close to solving this one. Not. I am happy to fit in to that narrow line of thought just for you. OK. Thanks for bringing this issue to my attention. lol

This is a forum last I looked. Whats the harm in putting things out there. I havn't really put myself in the conspiracy minded person bracket before but don't mind putting things up to create discussion rather than get bagged.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:06

Just try and keep up might help.

What actually have you put out there?
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:09

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
So you got any evidence?


I am not sure if you watched the latest Media conference given by the PM of Malaysia but he gave a good deal of the evidence and they still did not know where the plane was other than some one definitely hijacked the plane and flew it on for 4hrs+.

There are a range of options that could have happened after that and whilst crashing into the ocean seems the most logical there are still other options that could have happened. Those other options will always give way to further speculation and theories.

I don't see a problem with that.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:12

I think you've just contradicted yourself..
But anyway.


We will leave it at that..
Have a great night.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:15

Pleasure chatting rain gauge. Will talk again when they find the black box in 2 years time to see if your right, in the mean time I hope you enjoy my speculation. I love it. chow.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:35



I agree with you Popeye theres nothing wrong with a bit of speculation seemed to fairly well on the money so far. I thought it wasn't all cosha from day one especially when they said the transponder was deliberately turned off .
The USA would not want another SEPT 11 senario or would the Chinese want a plane crashing into a crowed Tiananmen Square.
I suppose if she not at the bottom of the ocean at least the passengers and crew may be still alive.

Next instalment please.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:46

1 week its been missing.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:48



Yes got to feel for the families of all the passengers not knowing of the fate of their loved ones....
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/03/2014 23:54

The Air Crash Investigations episode for this will be interesting to watch once everything has been discovered. I still stand by my theory that it was pilot suicide and that he crashed it in the deepest part of the Indian ocean hoping no one would ever find it. In the light of this new info that the transponder was switched off deliberately, surely the pilot would be the only one who could do this, hence why I dont believe this was a hijacking, also as the cockpit doors are locked from the inside (Things being much more secured post-9/11).

Who knows, maybe it's already landed without anyone reporting it doing so, and this is all just one big misunderstanding/miscommunication. Time will tell all
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:29


I think the military already know that it has been hijacked not suicide which was ruled out this arvo...
wink
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:30

Nothing can be ruled out
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:31

^^^ A couple of posts back Long Road Home said: "Things being much more secured post-9/11"

Which makes the two blokes with identical legs travelling on stolen papers all the more confusing. Did I just say identical legs? Yes, I did. Picture in link:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-air...0311-hvhf8.html

Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:35

When I hear (Unnamed sources close to the government)My BS detector goes off the radar (no pun intended)
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:46



Its all very intriguing what ever the outcome is.

Without being disrepectful to families ,it is making a great reality show ....
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 00:51

Being dead is a permanent reality
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 01:09



ok are u sure about that???
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 10:36

Scenarios - What could have happened to Flight MH370
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 11:15

Hey, there are those identical leg guys again, in your link this time Popeye. So many "news" outlets running this pic, how strange none of them are questioning why it's so obviously photo-shopped.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 11:23

If you want a good read I recommend getting onto some aviation forums.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 11:57

Every single story on earth (including your own) has inconsistencies.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 12:14


Definitely suspecting "a conspiracy".

You can call it speculating but its going on the evidence so far... wink
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 12:53

I don't see any evidence suggesting conspiracy
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:01



You may have to take your blinkers off rg and start reading the latest reports from Malaysia.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:05

I am reading the latest reports. Those into conspiracy usually have the blinkers on or should I say blindfold to reality. Still waiting for evidence of a conspiracy
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:26

I am still waiting on evidence that it just ditched into the sea and vanished. So until then your theories and all theories reasonable are never out of the question.

I like one I read recently with flight MH370 on a dark moonless night with all lights switched off shadowed a second plane NW through areas to avoid detection of radars. shocked
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:30

Still don't any conspiracy. Just over active imaginations.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:40


Some of the greatest things ever to be created by man on this planet came from over active imaginations... wink
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 13:49

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Still don't any conspiracy. Just over active imaginations.


Like I say I don't see a problem discussing all reasonable potentials that are being put out there. Those with unimaginative minds that stick to a few theories, whilst fine with me, tend to bore discussion.

I have read some great aviation forums since trav pointed me in that direction and discussing a range of theories as to what might have happened is good for this thread. Maybe take note rain gauge. Give a little bit more on your thoughts if you are so clever. One liner attacks go no where with most people these days. Just saying.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:01

I guess most people myself included like to throw ideas out there because as it stands 239 people might still be alive. Its a very small chance but until something concrete shows up as evidence its human nature to hope for the best with these people and their families. Everyone loves a good ending so no doubt your going to get a lot of people hanging on to hope and putting theories out there that keeps these people alive no matter how smaller chance it is.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:12

From the avhearald site

"If Mh370 has not crashed as a result of technical failure it has been landed by stowaway pilot(s) for reasons not yet clear.

The truth would be known by authorities by now, demands by air pirates, and they don't want the monster media in on it.

It would be very delicate and diplomatic negotiations especially if souls on board are still alive.

What was MH370 carrying? Don't think they wanted the T7, but it's cargo."

Nothing wrong with some good old speculation... smirk
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:26

Didn't 'thunderbirds' have a base out in the Indian ocean. They could have easily landed it there and then taken the plane into the island bunker.

Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:30

Originally Posted By: Popeye
I guess most people myself included like to throw ideas out there because as it stands 239 people might still be alive.


Too right about that.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:32

Yes but this is a serious matter, Maybe your idiotic conspiracy theories might impress a bunch of 12 year old school girls but its a no brainer to everyone else. Grow up and stop making light of a nasty situation with your poor attempt at humour..
Like any garbage you post here is going to make any difference. How eye rollable.

Moving on
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:47

Okay enough of the personal attacks and remarks guys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so please respect that.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:49

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Being dead is a permanent reality

From someone who says this and doesn't like speculation I'm dumbfounded can I suspect a hypocrite in our mist.Where is your evidence ????

Nothing wrong with a bit of humour ..maybe some of us should lighten up a bit.. wink
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:50

Love to see you move on rain gauge. Express your thoughts, respect others thoughts rather than attack others and I don't see a problem. cheers
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 14:51

I'll bow out of this conversation until I see an intelligent post..
Have a nice day.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 15:04

This brings me to the final and most important fact that is being ignored by commentators and the media who are hungry to publish any tiny rumor, theory, or fantasy that crops up without reference to real knowledge or even the most basic of calculations. The area in which this aircraft may have impacted is vast, huge, enormous. Thousands and thousands of square kilometres of featureless ocean. A quick wiz around in a few aircraft will not turn turn up anything unless the aircraft went down very very close to that initial search point. Beyond that you need to assemble considerable assets, personnel who are trained in SAR observation, model and plan the search area, gather data from disparate and convoluted sources, establish probabilities to prioritise the use of those assets allowing for range and capability (FLIR, surface scatter radar, night vision etc) collate, analyis, verify, plot and confirm each and every bit of information reported from every flight, every report from non search sources, and then task surface assets to the most promising of those possible sightings. This takes time, regardless of how many a/c, ships, submarines, satellites, dirigibles, drones, or whatever you have at your disposal. Aircraft can cover large areas but often miss things due to their speed over the ground and safe operating height. Ships and boats collect more accurate detail in their search paths but are much slower to cover a given area, and the width of their "swath" is much narrower. Add further to the equation the fact that this area of ocean already contains considerable debris and rubbish, litter, flood and storm debris, has considerable small vessel and non reporting traffic, has widely varying weather and visibility conditions, sea surface states, strong currents, crosses several international borders and national areas of responsibility and duristriction and you can see how finding some floating seat cushions, luggage, flotsam and jetsam, spread over a wide or small area, and all of this over an ever increasing search field, is not a simple, easy or quick task. We will find this aircraft, and we will likely find the CVR and FDR if
the water is mostly shallow.(50 to 100mts). But it will take time and maybe quite a long time if its deeper We have to be patient, methodical, and only deal with the established and verified facts, not the wild speculation of the media and commentariat. We need to do this out of respect for the people who have lost friends and family and who must be having the most terrible time...
That is all
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 15:15

also to ad to that The black boxes do transmit a homing signal. The models aboard a 777 do so for up to 60 days. These signals are of two kinds. The first is an RF signal around 200mhz, and the second is an acoustic "ping". However the signals are not particularly powerful and the RF component will not travel through seawater. Only very low RF frequencies travel any distance under water and require and extremely long antenna, not practical for a black box. Hence the acoustic 'ping' for finding wreckage under water. This acoustic signal will travel some distance under water but not a great distance. (Detectable at maybe 5-10 km depending on the amount of background noise, temperature layers, what other debris are on top of it etc. It is only detectable from on or under the water and can not be heard from the air or satellite. It is a "last mile" location device. Therefore the idea of "homing in" on the black boxes is fallacious until you are fairly close and can do a fine grid search, with the right specialised equipment... All this information came from an aviation friend of mine.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 16:09


Ok r g Your done a bit of good research and that's a lot of information about the search for the aircraft wherever it may be, (nothing that I didn't know already though).

But still doesn't tell us much or anything about what may of happened to the plane ??

"And that's what we are are talking about"
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 16:31

You sometimes wonder if only 239 people were on the plane in situations like this. Sure the pilot had a few issues and the 2 fake passports made people initially scream terrorism but I wonder what levels authorities can go to detect if anyone else entered the plane on ground level. They may never be able to know.

To me gaining access via ground crew, would make getting on board a lot easier, accessing the planes electricals and carrying onboard what ever supplies they needed rather than going through the terminal.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 16:35

If the profiling of the pilots, cabin staff and passengers comes up with zip then you would have to think could there be anyone else on board. Late night flight, busy airport, on ground security would have its security breach potentials.
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 16:36


Okay, about these guys supposedly travelling on stolen passports...any ideas about why this pic is (so obviously) photo-shopped? The media around the world ran with this picture but none (that I'm aware of) mentioned the sloppy crop and paste.


Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 17:10


Jax I have seen that mentioned a few days back in the media about it being the same legs but not sure where...
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 17:24

I'm not surprised someone noticed Desieboy, but I am surprised it hasn't rated much of a mention (that I'm aware of anyway). Were they asking questions where you saw it, such as why did the Malaysian's offer up such an obviously photoshopped image of two persons of interest? I think authorities decided these two guys were not involved (I might be wrong about that though), but that doesn't make the dodgey image thing go away.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/03/2014 18:09


Yes I know it is a bit average that they would such a sloppy job when all the eyes of the world are looking at you. That whole thing seemed a bit strange and still does ...hopefully they fix up the passport loopholes soon.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 14:02


This is a bit of what happened to the plane so ...or that's what has been reported....

Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 16:33

The more I hear about this the more I'm willing to consider that maybe their are hostage negotiations already taking place which are being kept from the public perhaps as part of the demands of whoever took the plane.

The failure of the Malaysian government to share key information at vital stages when it would have certainly been relevant to any search operations seems almost inexpicable otherwise.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 18:17


Yes totally agree Locke there is a lot more going on than meets the eye and being told about the whole affair.
It seems intriguing what has been announced then contradicted the next day by the Malaysian government so they must have their reasons otherwise someone else would have maybe taken over the whole search etc by now.

Suddenly the Chinese aren't saying anything about it either ..the mind boggles.. confused crazy
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 18:24

Yes. If there were delicate behind the scenes hostage negotiations occurring it might explain a lot although having said this it does begin to sound a little like a crackpot conspiracy theory.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 18:29

Im betting at the moment the passengers are alive and are in the middle east.
Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/03/2014 21:29

One piece of technology that I haven't seen mentioned regarding this unfortunate event is HF over the horizon radar (OHR). Australia operates such a system and although the area around Malaysia is at the extremity of its coverage detection of aircraft in this area wouldn't be out of the question. The actual range at any time would vary due to ionospheric propagation conditions. It would be no surprise if China and India also had OHR's.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 00:01

Interesting blog article on shadowing across asia into potential landing points.

MH370 shadowing another 777 through radars.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 00:12

Highly unlikely but how likely is it to pass over several countries without detection without some form of disguise.

It would be sad to have it ditched into a remote part of the ocean but it seems likely that is what has occurred. I just cant see it remaining hidden somewhere. To pull that off would be a miracle.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 11:01

I think it's most likely the plane is in a million pieces on the ocean floor...Trouble is which ocean floor.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 12:13


Yep seems that way, big search started from OZ navy and airforce off the Western Australian coast..

Hope they find it soon...stop all the speculation wink shocked poke
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 12:19

The best hypothesis on the missing plane yet... and no conspiracy theories in it....
https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 12:46




Yes teckert that sounds plausible but leaves a lot of questions unanswered like a lot of the other theories.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 13:05

The link Teckert posted In my opinion carries some weight and does explain a few things.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 13:16

There was also the Value jet DC-9 accident a few ago when shortly after take off a fire took hold over the aircraft in just a few minutes. However I think that fire might of been burning before the plane took off. I don't think there were smoke detectors in the cargo area of those aircraft in those days.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/03/2014 21:26

Teckerts link is certainly the most plausible thing I have heard. Yes it does leave a few questions unanswerwed but what everyone has to remember is that problems occur on aircraft all the time. The reason they don't have crashes all the time is because they have so many built in safety and redundancy features. Every so often however(and thankfully very rarely), everything cascades and goes wrong together. Fast decrompression or fire issue may have made the pilots atomatically put all teir attention into saving the plane instead of communicating ad by the time they had some semblance of control it may have been too late to communicate(comms damaged) or stay conscious(CO2 or O2 deprivation etc). The chances of this sort of scenario happening is of course very low but it is also guaranteed. It will happen at some stage. As I said, that is how modern airliners crash.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 09:26

Interesting & good to see that article being picked up a bit by mainstream media now too...
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 09:40

and also updated with references to the new evidence re. radar locations and altitude readings...
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 11:15

But why would the pilots fly it above its max ceiling height to FL450????

Sort of screws that theory up. I read that guys theory 3 days ago and it was relevent then, but now? Im not as sure.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 11:25

There were theories put forward in the article regarding that Trav. It is by no means a slam dunk but it sounds far more plausible that a plane being stolen and hidden.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 11:28

I think people want the sensational conspiracy type ending to this rather than the mundane most plausible cause. I notice all the conspiracy nutters online dismiss this story for no reason of course.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 12:17

I guess if you allow for a set of circumstances that completely disable pilot communication with the outside world then some of what transpired makes sense.

But then you have an emergency that

1) Prevents the pilots from communicating anything of their situation to the outside world whilst

2) Allowing them to take a number of steps to save the plane before incapacitating them and then

3) Allows the plane to continue to fly intact for 6 hours afterwards after having accomplished steps 1 and 2.

This would I think require the most unusual emergency in aviation history and yet we should regard it as more plausible than a hijacking?

I can think of many emergencies over the years that might have singular aspects of the above but then key differences.

The Air France disaster so no communication from the plane but the aircraft came down within minutes of striking trouble.

Payne Stewart was killed when the plane he was in depressurised and the plane continued until it ran out of fuel and crashed. In that case there was no breakdown of equipment on the plane, no disabling of acars and no maneuvers by those on board to save the plane.

So my biggest question is what disabled the pilots who were apparently actively in control of the aircraft and trying to save those onboard (according to the Chris Goodfellow theory), at the same time completely preventing the pilots from communicating with the outside world but still allowing other systems to do so but then somehow allowed the plane to continue flying for another 6 hrs?
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 12:41

Actually step 2 would be step 1. They would try to save the plane first then they would point the plane in the right direction to land it and then they would try and communicate their troubles to ATC. Like I said it is highly unlikely but what if during the time they were saving the plane and pointing it in the right direction the comms were damaged in a wholesale fashion. If it was a fire the smoke inhalation/co2 might already be affecting them and they switch to auto pilot in order to try and sort out their own safety. This fails and they succumb to the effect of the fumes. Fire is often capable of smouldering for a long time and if it is in the right areas/areas it could damage some but not all vital systems. Plane flies in direction set until running out of fuel. I know the chances of all these things occurring are ridiculously remote but like I said something like this is guaranteed to happen at some stage. It's a numbers game. It still sounds more likely to me than Evading notice in a 777 and somehow preventing all of the passengers from communicating anything over their phones, the landing that aircraft without notice and hiding it successfully from the entire world. If it was hijackers then surely someone would have claimed responsibility by now.
I would not discount any possibility completely but I know what seems more likely to me.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:04

If communication was still available I cannot believe that a pilot endeavouring to save their plane would not indicate they were in trouble.

So communications would have to have gone down first.

There are also reports that the planes diversion from its course occurred 12 minutes after the co-pilots last calm "good night".

That would pretty much shoot the Goodfellow hypothesis out of the water.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:09

I guess you can pull apart the best scenario. But its still better than some Ive heard. Like all the passengers are a on a deserted island sipping coconut milk with a bunch of head hunters waiting to be rescued.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:17

Did your actually read the whole article? It explained the standard processes that may have happened. What if they pulled out all the 'Busses'(I think that's what they were called, to isolate the fire then when they put them back in the comms didn't work?
12 minutes from goodnight to diversion doesn't shoot anything down. 12 minutes is a bloody long time. Do you remember the Bradford football stadium fire in the UK in 1985. That fire engulfed an entire stand in under 4 minutes. Things can often happen very quickly and again while the odds for this are extremely low logic dictates it will happen eventually.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:26

yes I did read the whole article. IMO it's another possible scenario, maybe in reality it may of happened a little differently.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:44

Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
Did your actually read the whole article? It explained the standard processes that may have happened. What if they pulled out all the 'Busses'(I think that's what they were called, to isolate the fire then when they put them back in the comms didn't work?
12 minutes from goodnight to diversion doesn't shoot anything down. 12 minutes is a bloody long time. Do you remember the Bradford football stadium fire in the UK in 1985. That fire engulfed an entire stand in under 4 minutes. Things can often happen very quickly and again while the odds for this are extremely low logic dictates it will happen eventually.


And yet in the face of such a fire the plane seemingly flew on for 6 hours?

And being aware of a problem with the plane the pilots took a course of action that could disable their planes communication before actually telling anyone on the ground about the emergency?

Yes I did read the entire article and regrettably the many pages of inane comments that followed it.

I'm not saying the mechanical failure couldn't have bought the plane down but Chris Goodfellows explanation is far from being the most likely explanation.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:54

We don't know what sort of a fire it was (if it was a fire at all) Fire isn't always flames and immediate death. Some produce huge quantities of smoke and not much else and some will travel slowly before breaking out all of a sudden. Unless you can tell us what happened I don't see how this isn't a highly likely scenario. You completely ignore the statement I made about the fact that modern commercial airliners tend to crash when a whole pile of things go wrong at precisely the wrong time and in the worst possible order. That is the main point I am trying to make. One tiny thing followed by another and another and another and so on.
I am not saying this is definitely what happened but I haven't heard any other theory that even comes close to being as likely a cause. What theory is better than this one?
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 13:58

That its very unlikely that the pilots couldn't call a may day at all for 6 hours. Thats the biggest question


Why did they not call a may day?

Why did they fly to FL450?

Then back to FL230?

It all makes no sense and thats the only reason why I suspect foul play.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:00

If something was infact wrong, then the passengers would have surely been told this by crew, and then we would have seen passengers using mobile phones to contact loved ones. A bit like flight 93.

My guess is that who ever was in control of the plane flew to 45 000 feet to depressurize the main cabin and kill the passengers, and then stole the plane.


im not that whacked out to beleive this either.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:04

A hijacking gone wrong although not possible without pilot involvement I would imagine.

If they disabled communications but then someone fought back it would explain a lot. Perhaps the passengers or someone else was able to subdue the hijackers but they were left with no possible method of regaining comms or proper control of the aircraft.

Perhaps the variations in altitude represented and attempt from someone without the skill needed to fly the aircraft and then they ended up sticking it back on auto pilot when they discovered they could not.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:13

I've seen that theory around Trav and I certainly wouldn't say anyone was whacked out for putting it forward as an option. Again though the lack of communication and Flightlevels are possibly explained. If the pilots are passed out or dead along with the of the passengers and crew then the plane on auto pilot would fly in an uneven fasion. I would be surprised if it happened to this degree but I am no aircraft engineer so would not presume to write it off.
Locke I would probably put your suggestion in second place and is certainly an option but if it was a hijacking gone wrong then I would imagine those responsible would have come out by now and claimed they crashed the plane intentionally.
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:25

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg

reason why I suspect foul play.


I agree with you Trav, Re foul play!!
Is it possible that whoever had control of the plane did a belly landing in the ocean and then the aircraft slowly fills with water and sinks with very minimal debris floating about?

Call me crazy if you will, but we do live in a crazy world!!
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:26

And then there this:

Quote:
Goodfellow may have no doubts about his theory, but other aviation experts do. Greg Feith, a former crash investigator with America’s National Transportation Safety Board, has told NBC News that a fire would have given the pilots time to communicate.

“I’ve seen those remarks. I’ve seen the articles. If there was an electrical fire on board, there still has to be a source,” Mr Feith said. “And you can’t take out the entire electrical system all in one fell swoop without really catastrophically compromising the structure of the aeroplane.

“Typically, with an electrical fire, you’ll have smoke before you have fire. You can do some troubleshooting. And if the systems are still up and running, you can get off a mayday call.”


If the hijacking was instigated by the pilots and went wrong I'm not sure anyone else involved would have anything to gain now by confessing involvement. If it was terrorism then that would be a different matter.

The more I think about it the more a botched hijacking and a fightback by passengers makes sense (think Flight 93). Either the plane was incapacitated or there was no one on board able to fly it or someone was flying the plane somewhere for 6 hours.

If we went with a scenario where the pilots disable comms with the intent of hijacking, the rest of the people on the plane found out fought back and incapacitated the pilots. They then try to take control of the plane but it climbs to 45,000 ft as a result of their efforts, at some point the plane depressurizes, and alhtough they are able to put the auto pilot back on its too late. Before they get back down to a safe altitude everyone is dead of asphyxiation. The auto pilot then flys the plane until it runs out of fuel.

I don't really know enough about the timings to really say how plausible that would be - just throwing some thoughts around.
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:41

I didn't go with the Goodfellow theory either for two reasons. The pilots not finding time to place a mayday call but having time to "pull busses" one by one to try and isolate a problem; and that he suspected the hijackers (if that was the case) would have had no plan and would have "weaved around" for a bit before deciding where to take the plane, rather than making the definite turn that it did make. Lol, right...

I think it will have something to do with the 20 IT experts who work for the one Chinese company that has done sensitive contracts for the military. And I think we will never be told the truth about it. Popeye's link about the shadowing plus that link with the IT guys = plausible theory.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 14:42

Bugger it. ALIENS. I'm going with Aliens now. If we look at it from a realistic point of view there are just too many possibilities that have validity(which is pretty evident based on this debate alone), so I'm gonna join the true whack jobs and go with Alien abduction. Poor buggers are probably getting probed right about now.
Posted by: Thunderstruck

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 15:17

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/18/lt-gen-mcinerney-flight-370-could-have-landed-pakistan

Now we are talking...

TS cool
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 15:20

Read this about Godfellow theory

"Goodfellow may have no doubts about his theory, but other aviation experts do. Greg Feith, a former crash investigator with America’s National Transportation Safety Board, has told NBC News that a fire would have given the pilots time to communicate.

“I’ve seen those remarks. I’ve seen the articles. If there was an electrical fire on board, there still has to be a source,” Mr Feith said. “And you can’t take out the entire electrical system all in one fell swoop without really catastrophically compromising the structure of the aeroplane.

“Typically, with an electrical fire, you’ll have smoke before you have fire. You can do some troubleshooting. And if the systems are still up and running, you can get off a mayday call.”


Thats is the question why no cry for help ,yes fires can engulf the plane but not in a few minutes and its been proved that she just kept flying ....

Latest report say some people in the Maldives saw a plane 6.15am on Sunday flying extremely low....
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 15:27

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
I think people want the sensational conspiracy type ending to this rather than the mundane most plausible cause. I notice all the conspiracy nutters online dismiss this story for no reason of course.


People want the truth rg and I wouldn't be calling other "nutters"
unless 'you' already know what happened ....everyone entiled to an opinion thats how you have a formal discussion.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 16:14

Calling others nutters with wackjob theories is my opinion.
And I wasn't calling anyone here that.
I also wasn't the only one that said it ,so stop trolling picking fights.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 16:48

Here's some funny conspiracies


http://www.thewrap.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-conspiracy-theories
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 17:24

Woops, I made a mistake earlier, saying the company the IT crowd worked for was Chinese. It is a US company (Freescale Semiconductor), 12 of the employees were from Malaysia and eight were from China. My mistake.

It's a manufacturing firm, which develops components for hi-tech weapons systems and aircraft navigation among other things.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 17:25



Wow either Lt Gen-McInerney is a nutter or he is telling part or a lot of the truth. Going to be a few interesting days to see what comes out. If it ends up in Pakistan on the ground I think their will be a few people having to broaden their blinkered beliefs lol and eat their hats.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 17:32

Be interesting to see if the Maldive reported sightings have any cred. Fits in with the Goodfellows theory.

Maldives Sighting of Jumbo type plane.
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 17:47

Hmm, if it is somewhere in the Indian Ocean west of Perth as that article states it might be, wouldn't our top notch super expensive JORN radar system have picked it up? Isn't one of its main selling points determining when air and sea traffic that isn't supposed to be there is there?
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 18:37

I am not sure Fox News in the States is the most trust worthy news organisation. That retired Lt General McInerney might have skipped his pills this week. Time will tell. Also its strange that it takes nearly 2 weeks for the Maldives people to speak out. Its not like it hasn't been a world wide news story.

Downloaded the Flight 93 movie the other night and watched it. Tells the story of the 9/11 hijackings. Interesting watch. Wasn't that the 1 hijacking that just changed the world. Lets hope this latest incident isn't anything nasty either.

I at least hope they can figure it all out. Be good closure not only for the families but for a world not knowing what happened.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/03/2014 20:02

Originally Posted By: Jax
Hmm, if it is somewhere in the Indian Ocean west of Perth as that article states it might be, wouldn't our top notch super expensive JORN radar system have picked it up? Isn't one of its main selling points determining when air and sea traffic that isn't supposed to be there is there?


Whatever it is it ain't that billiant at spoting things only last year we had a assylum seeker boat come right into Geraldton harbour undetected...
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 14:12

just announced in Parliament Question Time -
satellite photos have identified two pieces of debris that may be of interest in the search of MH370. A RAAF Orion is due in the area right now to inspect as well as 3 other aircraft.
it may be debris from the plane, it may not but its worth checking out.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 14:36

Lets hope they find some thing soon. I've ever really doubted it's at the bottom of the ocean. Now if that's the plane we need to find out why.


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/20/14/13/objects-found-in-malaysia-airlines-search
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 15:12

Gives you a bit of a lump in your throat when you hear news like that. It will no doubt be headlines in a few hours if its true and finally end the long search for the where abouts of this missing plane. It would still be a mammoth task in finding out what happened and recovery, if possible, of the Black box. That is of course if all this info is correct.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 15:47

AMSA on abc24 now. 24 metre object with several smaller pieces around. Up to 4 aircraft on route of which 2 are near the scene. Overcast not ideal conditions. Merchant ship in area. Navy vessel on route but still a few days away. Gnarley news.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 15:53

Just saw that. The fact that they are sending everything they have at their disposal(including naval ships even before conformation from aircraft) to the site certainly suggests they believe there is a very good chance it is the flights wreckage. If it is the wreckage then there is no doubt it flew until running out of fuel
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 15:56

Yup this looks grim.

I would most likely say that we have found the wreckage. Scary how long it took to find it.

seems as tho the authorities had a pretty good idea where it could possibly be.

now the real problem arises. How the eff do we get that black box.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 15:58

What the hell happend on this plane.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:01

Yeah to go from flying north to Beijing to crashing 3/4 of the way to antartica.
.????? Either some major on board stuff ups or a pilot who didn't want to be found. Both possible I guess but all very bizarre.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:02

It still wouldn't surprise me if it ended up being some floating debri from a past tsunami.
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:04

And if it happens to be the debris from the ill fated flight, the wreckage has been floating about for nearly two weeks, so the actually crash site could take days to find aswell!!
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:07

I'm dubious about this. So many false alarms on this one.

As someone mentioned previously in relation to debris being spotted, there is a lot of flotsam out there in our oceans. Ships lose cargo overboard all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_garbage_patch

Apparently over 10,000 shipping containers are lost overboard each year.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:10

Originally Posted By: Locke
I'm dubious about this. So many false alarms on this one.

As someone mentioned previously in relation to debris being spotted, there is a lot of flotsam out there in our oceans. Ships lose cargo overboard all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_garbage_patch

Apparently over 10,000 shipping containers are lost overboard each year.


Absolutely correct. It could be anything but 24m is bloody big for a shipping container
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:16

Perhaps but on doing some reading the largest shipping containers are 16m intact. I wonder if a container that had been in the ocean for some time, taken damage or spilled some contents might not show up as a slightly larger object on satellite imagery.

I be curious to see how good the resolution is on those images.

Personally though I hope this is the plane. Although it brings an awful resolution for the families at least they would be a step closer to knowing what happened.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:20

Air France crash - it took 2 more years to find the actual plane and black box after the first debris was found...
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:21

Just in.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation editor Jon Williams tweets: Crew on @USNavy P-8 spotter tell (ABC correspondent on board P-8) @WrightUps: "significant radar returns" coming from site where possible #MH370 objects spotted.
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:23

Dont forget that after 12 days the debris would've moved with the ocean currents. By now you'd have bits and pieces scattered everywhere IF the plane did in fact crash into the water. The black box could be anywhere.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:31

yep thats one the reasons buoys are being deployed to monitor sea currents...
Also comes down to whether the plane came down rather intact or not as to whether the plane debris on the ocean floor is spread out or confined on one area...
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:35

What the hell happend on this plane.
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:36

A quick google search reveals the average depth of the Indian Ocean is nearly 3900m.
It will take some retrieving!!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:37

Sorry double post above.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:44

An aviation expert on abc just before was saying the black box may not give up much knowledge. Just the path changes, altitudes, running out of fuel and crashing. Hopefully it does give more than that.

Of course, that's if it is the crash site and it's not being loaded in Pakistan while all the attention has been drawn away.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 16:54

Black box will give cockpit communication though which is vital.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 17:02

exactly the box records all communications in the cockpit, but if for example a pilot took control of this plane and turned it around then its possible he hasnt said a single thing and the recording will show nothing. and we may never have a definative answer.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 17:03

This on the BBC coverage

Quote:
Jack Cooksey from Perth emails: Flurry of activity here in Perth with planes and props flying over every minute heading out to sea. Looks like they are running a heavy operation out of Western Australia.
Posted by: Adele

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:13

Even if they never do retrieve the black box. Having this plane go missing for two weeks proves they need to have better homing devices on planes in the future.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:14

Image of the object. I think from initial sat images (not recent) What do you guys think.

Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:18

Impossible to say from that pic but certainly suggestive of a piece of fuselage.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:19

too hard to tell. it actually just looks like sun reflection off a wave!!

i cant understand why a pilot/s would have the ability to turn off a transponder making tracking a plane near impossible. why would a pilot ever need to do that on a commercial airliner? just shouldnt happen.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:23

Yeah that image is less than convincing but apparently there may be higher resolution images that have not been released. It will be disappointing if nothing eventuates from all this. It seems like suck a big break. If its not, add Australia to the long list of countries that have given it a go but failed.
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:29

That could be anything, need a thermal infrared image.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:30

I'm very hopeful this is MH370.

How it got that far away is still the biggest mystery of all.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:49

What a horrendous location to try and conduct a recovery operation especially coming up to Winter. That's if they can find it. Hopefully if it is confirmed that Black box ping will be able to be picked up by ships searching the area.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 18:53

About as bad an area to conduct a search that I can think of. In the roaring forties and as you say coming into winter. Over 2 thousand Km away from the mainland and several thousand meters of water depth. Everything is against the searchers.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/03/2014 19:00

Yeah they would want to hope they can at least locate it in the next month. March April can be reasonably settled but May is game on for big storms building. That far south though, Yuck. I still find it amazing that it may have ended up down there.

If foul play was involved and a depressurised cabin, I think hitting 45000 feet and losing consciousness personally would be a nicer more peaceful way to go than waiting 7 hours knowing your going to run out of fuel and crash into the ocean.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 00:12



Think theres a bit of a front coming in will make it all that much harder to find .
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 09:00

Bad weather hampered efforts yesterday. Lets hope today can bring us what we want to hear.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 10:43

After seeing the satellite images overnight I'm still dubious. However they do seem to be throwing significant resources into this.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 13:46


Just reading about the recent satellite pictures and an expert has said :

"They are not working off of these low-res images. They released these for a variety of reasons, as is done very often, some due to national security, some due to other reasons. The ones they are looking at are extremely close and very high-res. It is really wild that people here think that what investigators state or release is real-time...they are days ahead of anyone here and most of the theories, including the totally insane ones that have been offered here, have already been considered well before someone here suggested them."
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 13:46

I'm beginning to think what I originally thought that this could be some kind of depressurisation issue.

I think if the pilot was trying to end it all why would the plane continue on to about the point where it ran out of fuel..

That would be like killing yourself by manually inserting the bullets in your head.

Still we have to first locate the plane
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 14:45



It could of been on auto-pilot with everyone aboard the plane already deceased until it ran out of fuel, after it was put onto that course for whatever reason...

Hope they find it soon ...they already said others objects lay on the bottom of the ocean around the same area as the sat pic pieces.

Someone said it could be space junk from burnt up satellite, hope not .
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/03/2014 14:54

Yes I agree there could be something to that..
Also-Something unknown with the flight management systems(maybe). After all many crashes are either an unknown flaw or something considered to be so rare it isn't worth worrying about
Posted by: Wet Snow

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 09:01

Hello Folks:

Have enjoyed reading the various takes on what might have happened to flight 370.

I had a phone conversation with a very good friend the other night; here is the possible scenario that he thinks could have happened: It seems that there is a "black market" for large passenger planes. The pilots rose to 45,000FT altitude to cause the passengers to perish, then flew the plane to an unknown/remote airfield (takes at least 5,000FT to land this plane) and the airfield had a large enough hangar to stow the plane in (plane could possibly be in Pakistan or a nearby location). The ones that flew the plane could be dead also, as the "black market" folks are pretty unscrupulous in their dealings...well, that's the scenario that my friend put forth...If the plane is meant for a terrorist act--well, that's just too scary to think about.
Hope this mystery (whatever took place on the plane) is solved in the near future.

Kind Wishes & Take Care~~~Wet Snow
Posted by: nita

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 09:53

for all the families out there just waiting on any news from the debris in the water I hope some kind of answer will come over this weekend even if it is or isnt the plane...
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 11:51

TO be honest I would say if they don't confirm the debris in the southern indian ocean in the next couple of days as being part of the plane then it will never be found. I still don't buy the terrorist/stolen plane theory. It's just too far fetched in my mind. Mind you I could very well be wrong about that.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 12:15

Yeah I just had a look at the models to see what the weather should be like in the area over the next few days. A reasonably big HIGH parked over the area. Hope they can find something to confirm the whereabouts of MH370 and end this search. The fact that they have sent resources kind of hints that there might be more than just a few sat images that they know about.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 12:51


Yes hopefully find the whereabouts soon .....or find whats bobbing up and down at that location in the southern ocean.

As someone said on the Av herald site I hope that they put chips into planes from now on that will stop them from not locating where a plane may be, even if it falls apart, ever again...for every ones sake..
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 13:39

Plane has gone down near caboolture. Possibly 5 people onboard.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 13:58

Not good
Posted by: LightningGus

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 14:29

Light plane crashes, catches fire at Caboolture Airfield
Posted by: Ben Quinn (BSCH)

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 14:35

The Caboolture Airfield is a stones throw from here - it's an unsettling thought to think that 5 people have died so close this morning. I'm surprised I didn't hear the crash. RIP all on board.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 14:37

It definatly hit the ground hard before exploding in flames, must have slowed down somewhat not to disintegrate right on impact.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 22:13

new debris found on Chinese satellite images... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/mh370-new-debris-china-satellites-malaysia/5339092
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/03/2014 22:31

Yeah lets hope they have found it. Put it to rest for the families involved. You would expect satellites on a clear, sunny 10 knot day to be able to scour the ocean and find something. China would want to be finding an answer to the mystery as quick as possible. It has just gone on to long.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2014 20:53

New sat images from France just released showing more objects in water in current search area....
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2014 22:40

I sometimes wonder if you search any 40,000 square kilometre ocean area on the earth you will find a reasonable amount of floating objects. Even in remote Southern Oceans. Ocean currents are amazing things and I think a few crates and large objects could be from anywhere or of anything. It still wouldn't surprise me if this search produces any evidence being from Flight MH370. It may never be found.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/03/2014 23:09



Yes lots of things ..big things found on the satellite images not much found in the water.... surely it will not be too long before they bring up something substantial.

Lets hope anyway....
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 01:41

Pretty big announcements regarding MH370. Fairly certain it has gone down in the Indian Ocean unlikely to have any survivors. Crunched the numbers with the sat pings excluding all other flights and managed to track it into the southern ocean. Verified by UK authorities. Not 100% on this but that is what I just caught on a TV announcement. Australian ship in area to possibly pick up debri which was found earlier today.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 01:43

Saying that though considering the way the media has jumped on board with anything you could still doubt it but it did come from the Malaysian PM. All families were told to attend or watch from there various areas. So looking fairly likely.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 08:41

Id say they have found debris.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 09:12

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/mh...0325-hvme8.html
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 09:15

SOunds like it was some very complex mathematics used to work it out(apparently to within 100km). They measured the time it tok the signal to get back to the satellite and sounds like they compared to other planes and atmospherics etc to get the answer.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 10:58

So what catastropic failure would explain no crew contact, 2 changes of direction seperated by a significant time difference and an aircraft that then ends up cruising at 30,000ft for 5 hours until it runs out of fuel.

I've yet to see a plausible explanation yet. I could buy a mechanical failure that incapacitates the crew but not before they are able to turn the plane back towards Malaysia. How did the plane end up flying into the Indian Ocean after that is harder to explain.

Intermittent consisciousness from those on board after an event that depressurized the plane and cut all communications from those on board?
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 11:04

what ever the reason, widespread changes to the entire aviation industry to come. no1 being that no aircraft should be able to fly without being tracked by a transponder i hope.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 11:05

That's the million dollar question really and I would say it is a question there will never be an answer to.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 11:43

Sounds like that Goodfellow dude's theory is going to be the closest to what actually happened...
Pretty obvious that it just kept flying on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 11:47

Originally Posted By: teckert
Sounds like that Goodfellow dude's theory is going to be the closest to what actually happened...
Pretty obvious that it just kept flying on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel.


I don't think there is any doubt about that anymore. The question I don't think will ever be answered is why. Probably not such a problem if it was terrorism as it would be highly unlikely to be repeated but if it was a catastrophic problem/malfunction then it won't be able to be rectified if we don't know what went wrong.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 11:56

I would say its highly unlikely to be terrorism/hijacking now that we have established it to be where it is...
In short, something bad happened on board, pilots changed direction to fly to nearest airport, but in the meantime due to different factors the pilots and passengers die due to lack of oxygen and the plane continues flying...
All the details amongst all that will be the interesting stuff to work out...
Posted by: Long Road Home

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 12:10

For what it's worth, there was another Malaysian flight (A330) that had to make an emergency landing at HK due to a generator failure.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/artic...-stop-hong-kong
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 12:31



There seems something deliberate about the whole thing ...from the start.

Hopefully they will find out something more about what happened .

The black box will be very hard to retrieve in 3kms plus depth..
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 12:40


Gillian already along with an Antarctic low having an effect on the search ...4 metre swells apparently ...search called off for today..

Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 13:00

Originally Posted By: teckert
I would say its highly unlikely to be terrorism/hijacking now that we have established it to be where it is...
In short, something bad happened on board, pilots changed direction to fly to nearest airport, but in the meantime due to different factors the pilots and passengers die due to lack of oxygen and the plane continues flying...
All the details amongst all that will be the interesting stuff to work out...


The course change back to Malaysia would not put the plane in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Western Australia. Such a location requires a second course change. A little difficult if the pilots and passengers were already dead.

Also leaves the question of why the co-pilot says "good night" AFTER the initial turn back towards Malaysia.

I still would have to go with hijacking gone wrong or pilot involvement.
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 13:05

It took 2 years to find Air France 447 in the Atlantic Ocean at depths of 4km and recover the black boxes. They will find where the MH370 is at the bottom of the ocean but it will take a long time and even longer to recover the black boxes, if they recover them. I would think they would call in the same teams that found the Air France flight again though. At least there is still just under 2 weeks where the black boxes are sending signals. Until then, we can only assume what happened.

Sad time but at least there is a bit more closure for the families of all onboard involved.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 13:26

Locke, if it turned west from the handover point, it would arrive just north of Langkawi. A further turn left towards the island - and no further pilot intervention from that moment - would put it on the heading to where the debris was spotted.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 13:45

I think the round object spotted is significant. Could be the rear pressure bulkhead.

At least in some way it puts to sleep the conspiracy nonsense that had the plane taken to a secret location.I mean really lol "No doubt they are eating their hats" Which I think stemmed from the fact that it took off from a country with a high Muslim population,or a Muslim pilot with alleged strong beliefs. 'Air france 447 never came under the same conspiracy bunk.
I think in these cases like any investigation is you let the facts take you to a conclusion rather than twisting the facts to cram into a belief..

Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 14:23

Originally Posted By: teckert
Locke, if it turned west from the handover point, it would arrive just north of Langkawi. A further turn left towards the island - and no further pilot intervention from that moment - would put it on the heading to where the debris was spotted.


So still 2 turns. That means pilots still in control but not communicating.

Here's an interesting thought. Is it possible that what knocked out their comms at some stage then took out their navigation too (or made it give false readings).

They were trying to get to Langkawi but maybe missed it in the dark due to problems with the navigation systems) and were never able to find their way back. Out over the ocean at night with no compass. Could they even navigate without their onboard instruments.

Or perhaps what took out their comms also also started giving them false readings on their navs. They then kept flying in the vain hope they would see something they could identify.
Posted by: Eevo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 16:30

assumption 1: the plane is in the southern Indian ocean.
assumption 2: it wasnt an accident, someone (hijacker or pilot) wanted it there.

why? there is nothing out there. no places to land, its not onroute to somewhere. its a bloody long way from anywhere.

Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 21:40

Not sure if this is legit but whale carcass found in location of French SAT image debri. I think this is going to remain an unsolved mystery. People can eat there hats or say whatever but this one might go down as an unsolved mystery that never gives any slight piece of evidence to say exactly what happened. They won't find anything until it rocks up on a beach in WA, Europe, Antarctica, Japan, or India or something like that. I work on the water 300 days a year I will keep my eye out just incase anything floats past here.
Twitter Whale Carcass Sat object.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2014 21:45

Dead whales, wooden pallets, Its a fricken massive plane crashing into the ocean. Surely there would be obvious debris. Its not there. Sure it might be somewhere else but no doubt it will show up 3000kms away found by an around the world sailor or the equivalent in 9 months time. Who ever lead the agencies on this wild goose chase in the current location is sitting there biting their fingernails hoping the wave of embarrassment doesn't come over them.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2014 00:09

If anyone wants to keep up to date with Chris Goodfellows musings on it all.... follow his blog posts here: https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2014 00:15

This kind of find seems more along the lines of a crash site area (drifting of course). Concentrated area of debris makes more sense with a big plane going down.

122 objects spotted
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2014 16:42



As long as its not a pod of whales. 122 of them ....lol
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/03/2014 14:51

errr hold the phones... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-28/malaysia-airlines-mh370-search-zone-shifts/5351938
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/03/2014 15:43

Yeah the world is led to believe they are getting closer to finding the crash site yet they realistically have no idea other than last known direction, the planes fuel range and hope for the best. I still think its going to be a long time yet and by then tracing back currents, storms, winds is going to make it near impossible to track a location of a black box that will no longer ping in 10 days time.
Posted by: Eevo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/03/2014 23:06

NZ plane thinks its found something.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/03/2014 11:18

Another day, more reports of "floating debris" and yet still no positive id of wreckage from the plane. Our oceans are filled with floating junk.

Don't report another peice of "floating debris" just tell me when you actually find a peice of the plane.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/03/2014 12:43



Yes I agree Locke all we hearing about is that there is lots of floating junk in our ocean ....

We are quickly going to realize just how polluted even the remotest part of the Indian Ocean can be.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/04/2014 02:45

Maybe.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/05/mh370-chinese-patrol-ship-detects-pulse-signal








Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/04/2014 14:47



Sounds encouraging ..lets hope they found it..
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/04/2014 16:21


From news today:

An Australian navy ship has detected new signals 'consistent' with aircraft black boxes, a senior official said Monday as the hunt for missing Malaysian flight MH370 went on.

"The towed pinger locator deployed from the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield has detected signals consistent with those emitted from aircraft black boxes," Angus Houston, the former Australian defence chief who is leading the search coordination body, said, emphasising that further confirmation was needed.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/04/2014 17:38

Yeah saw that just then Des. Lets hope its MH370. Kind of makes you think that they knew were it went down to find a ping in such a huge ocean especially in a search area that's very different to all other in the previous weeks.

Fingers crossed there is some closure from this.

Ocean shiled detects possible MH370 ping
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 10:53



Sounds like they may have a last found it ..

Two separate signal detections have occurred within the northern part of the defined search area,” he said.

The first was held for more than two hours, the second for about 13 minutes.

The UK Telegraph reported that the location of these two signals matched the point at which the aeroplane made its final electronic “half handshake” with a satellite.

The paper quoted Chris McLaughlin from British satellite company Inmarsat, who said the location of the signals detected by Ocean Shield appeared to coincide with the site when the plane made an electronic transmission at 12.19am (GMT).
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 11:02

Of course it was always going to be found in the ocean.
Lets hope more news comes out today so they at least can begin the investigation.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 11:22


Yes rain gauge the truth may be revealed soon ..

Send the underwater drones in next to have a look ...it may be in 4kms deep water though..

Hopefully they can recover the black box and find out what actually happened to the MH 370 and have some closure to this tragic event.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 11:40

I think the plane may be at the max depth for those underwater drones..
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 12:15



Yes that may be the case the deepest trench around the area is 6kms and shallowest is 2.5kms so hopefully its not in the real deep area..
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 12:46

Can you imagine 6klm of water over your head?
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:15



Now thats a long way down ..not much light down there either .

Locating the black box will be one thing ..
Recovering it will be another thing .

Good luck with that...lets hope they can get it for everyone's sake.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:23

I am not one for conspiracy theories and I still believe this disapearence was just a tragic accident but something about this 'discovery' of the black box seems odd to me. Without finding any debris field they just happened to go over the still pinging black box in a search area so big it is hard to describe?
I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:27

Anyone from the aviation industry able to tell me why these black box power supplies are only designed to last a month. Surely its possible to design them to last longer.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:30

has there ever been a case when investigators have had to search for an aircrafts black box for more than 30days?
generally it shouldn't ever take this long to find an aircraft.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:35

Originally Posted By: Mick10
has there ever been a case when investigators have had to search for an aircrafts black box for more than 30days?
generally it shouldn't ever take this long to find an aircraft.


Actually I am just watching Air crash investigations where it took a year to find a black box in the indian ocean at a depth of 4400m. Difference was they had a very good idea of where the plane went down and found debris within a week or two of the crash.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:35

Air France. Took em 2 years to find the black box.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:46

Originally Posted By: Mick10
has there ever been a case when investigators have had to search for an aircrafts black box for more than 30days?
generally it shouldn't ever take this long to find an aircraft.



Generally a jetliner in 2014 shouldnt disappear!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/04/2014 21:47

too true, they never picked up the signal from the boxes did they? but at least they had debris and bodies to narrow a search area.
and I still cant figure out how a modern jet can not be tracked on radar. just boggles the mind.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/04/2014 00:07

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
Originally Posted By: Mick10
has there ever been a case when investigators have had to search for an aircrafts black box for more than 30days?
generally it shouldn't ever take this long to find an aircraft.



Generally a jetliner in 2014 shouldnt disappear!


Well compared to an A/C the earth is quite large...... this is just an example of how powerless we are when there is no electricity in a system that relies on it.

I find it quite easy to think that we could lose an aircraft..... if the signals were present up until it hit the water it still would have been a very long time until they found it...

They are looking for a needle in a haystack in the world's largest haystack factory, Nor does it help that the ocean is so deep.

I hope they find the blackbox however it wont really give them the answers. The blackboc will be with majority of the wreakage though
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/04/2014 13:00

Black Box found??
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-upd...q-1226880483186
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/04/2014 14:49



All they need to do now is get that Bluefin 21 underwater vessel to have a look .

If its found lets hope they can retrieve it from the silty bottom at such a great depths.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/04/2014 22:11


Sending in the underwater submersibles now at last .

Please find that plane before we all go mad... crazy
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/04/2014 07:31

I predict the sub will find more "debris" which will turn out to be nothing more than garbage.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2014 01:10

I initially thought it wasn't possible to see aircraft flying from Melbourne to Southeast Queensland (Brisbane, Gold Coast, and Sunshine Coast) from Corryong... but this weekend I was proven wrong! smile

I have the Flightradar24 smartphone app and I was able to match, identify and locate any aircraft I saw on the app screen with any I saw flying in the skies above the Upper Murray and Snowy Mountains region of Northeast Victoria and Southeast NSW (weather permitting of course).

On Saturday when the weather was clear in Corryong I noticed a large number of planes travelling in a northeasterly direction from Melbourne, most of which were bound for Sydney (as well as Canberra, Newcastle, Nadi in Fiji, Los Angeles, etc).

But a few of the planes were flying at a lower viewing angle (closer to the western/northwestern horizon), closer to the ridge of the Burrowa-Pine Mountain National Park before becoming lost behind Mount Mittamatite. These planes were flying from Melbourne towards Southeast Queensland according to Flightradar24.com. They were flying along a line stretching between Benalla and Wagga Wagga at the time that I was able to see them. smile
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/04/2014 09:26

Ah never miss a good chance to bash Qantas eh news.com: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-upd...q-1226890830529

What a load of crap, "Qantas passengers feared for their lives." Slow news day indeed I guess.
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2014 12:22

Now they think the plane may have landed!!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/so...h-1226892871899
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2014 19:11

Possible aircraft debris may have washed ashore in WA
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 09:06

debris washed up is apparantly sheet metal and not associated with an aircraft.
Posted by: slipperyfish

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 09:38

Originally Posted By: EddyG
Now they think the plane may have landed!!
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/so...h-1226892871899


Yeah Diego Garcia is the word on most conspiracy theorist lips.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 11:58

I think Diego Garcia is one of the more ridiculous and less than thought out conspiracies.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 12:43

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
I think Diego Garcia is one of the more ridiculous and less than thought out conspiracies.

i wonder if anyone has bothered looking in between the rows and rows of B52's?
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 12:46

lol
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 13:05

What is the noise associated with every image of a submarine you see in a movie?


Posted by: slipperyfish

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 13:09

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
I think Diego Garcia is one of the more ridiculous and less than thought out conspiracies.


How and in what way ?

Maybe aliens then ?
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 14:01

Its hard to consider any circumstances where the US hijacking a commercial airliner and then trying to keep it a secret would make any sort of sense on a risk/gain basis.

I can't think of any potential gain that would outweigh the truly devastating consequences for the US were they found to have done so.

I really couldn't think of any sound reason that might warrant the US taking such a risk.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/04/2014 14:02

The reason being it wouldn't be there is motive.
Why in hell would it be there for what reason.(The yanks build the damn thing why would they need to steal it) The nutters all say its there but no explanation, No motive ,no evidence no brainer..
Edit yeah what Locke said
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2014 17:55

HIJACK ATTEMPT ON AUSTRALIAN VIRGIN AUSTRALIA PLANE
Posted by: LightningGus

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/04/2014 18:53

Not a hijack attempt, just a drunk passenger trying to get into the cockpit wink
Drunk Virgin Australia passenger tries to enter cockpit on flight to Bali
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/04/2014 14:55

I posted it as soon as the news came to hand unfortunatly.

You cant trust mainstream media
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/04/2014 23:14


Another twist to the saga...of the missing plane. Adelaide company says they found MH370
Posted by: MrsC

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/04/2014 23:31

Well...I'll be!
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2014 00:39

I think half the pings they were getting must have been made up to fulfill the media's hunger of some answers.....

That news report sounds like the most sense that I have heard in the past few weeks....... It seems like they have gone from one lead to the next dropping any kind of search in the initial areas..... If I was a person with a private sonar vessel or a private sub..... I'd be heading to that location
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2014 10:58



I found it . Another person found it ? Maybe a few planes went down that day and nobody realised it ... shocked
Posted by: Jax

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2014 11:27

And despite this man's find, our fearsome leader says they'll keep looking in the Indian Ocean?

I have a feeling T.A's public relations team thought putting his head up there as a voice of authority and hope might have lifted people's opinion of him momentarily, which maybe it did for some. But they should stop flogging that angle and get him off this case - he really, really does not belong there.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/04/2014 11:32



Got to agree with you there Jax.

PM trying to big note himself on the international scene ...failed badly.
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/05/2014 19:11

Doco on Four Corners.
MH370, should be interesting!!
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/05/2014 12:07


Yes EddyG was interesting especially part about the Malaysian air force in Penang just watching it go straight past without even having a look at it or responding to the flight control to check it out , why it was off its flight plan ..
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/05/2014 12:23

Certainly was interesting desieboy, lots of finger pointing and no one taking responsibility for it!!

There is a book out now on MH370 and Karl from the Today show gets a little heated about it!!
Link http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/mystery-of-mh370/xzgxqnw
Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/05/2014 11:27

I was debating whether to post this in the YouTube thread or here. Decided on here because it's strictly aviation related. Also has nice music and spectacular scenery ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxmFCw-Dig
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/06/2014 22:55

The old B52 still has that presence about it after all these years of service. This one was a recent departure from Darwin en-route back to it's home base in Guam.


B52 Bomber
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/06/2014 23:10



Beautiful pic Orebound kind of wish they still had gun turrets on them.Would give you the best veiw inside one of them.
First model aeroplane I built had 4 gun turrets on it was a Lancaster bomber.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/06/2014 23:20

Thanks Desie. Yes I do love the veteran stuff, the Lancaster was simply beautiful!

Should be some interesting stuff poking around in a the next couple of months as the Pitch Black operation builds up. Some nice hardware coming to town this time from the UAE etc. Word is that the US Strike Fighters might even be making an appearance although I'm somewhat skeptical on that one.

In the meantime, here's one of the AN (Scare North) Braz's on it's way over your way via Kunnas.


Air North Embraer 170-100LR
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/06/2014 00:14



Was involved in Pitch Black when was in the Kimberley and Katherine years ago . Had a chance to see a C5 galaxy arrive direct from Germany had mid air refueling to Derby ,also saw some of Oz's old bombers the F111C in action .
The US pilots were impressed by the F111s cause a lot of em had hardly ever seen it flying because it was superseded by the F15 and not many remained in the USA .
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/06/2014 04:10

Here's a Hornet making a bit of a low pass and a hell of a racket!


F/A-18 Super Hornet
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2014 11:29


"INVESTIGATORS believe someone in the cockpit of MH370 turned on the plane’s autopilot before it disappeared, as Australian search chiefs announced a new phase in the hunt for the missing airliner."

The plot deepens...... Auto pilot turned on..
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2014 17:32



Hey Orebound or anybody for that matter, I've got a rare old pic of a couple of Tiger Moths at the Broome Airport in the 1930s .
I want to put them on here but can you tell me what is the best way to make sure they don't get copied in their original pic. .Maybe a signature or something.

I upload to Photobucket and if there is some way I can make sure their not copied because they are originals given to me by an older bloke who has now passed away.

Thanks
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/06/2014 18:04

Try this one. Virus scan it before opening. My AV didn't pick anything up but that doesn't mean it's clean.

http://picmarkr.com/
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 08:35

It appears Russia may have inadvertently shot down a Malaysian Airlines flight over Ukraine.

Some extraordinary transcripts on the news .A total of 298 people dead including 27 Australians.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 10:29

One of australias worst aviation disasters in terms of aussies lost.

these people are scum. Absolute scum of the earth.

Rebels have the black box. The crime scenes been interferred. Its all crap.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 10:31

The gov can't do anything to bring the perpetrators to justice. No one can.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 15:12

It's a war. Bad stuff happens in war. It's pretty obvious they didn't target it knowing it was a civilian aircraft so I think it is pretty disgusting to be labelling it a terrorist act. If that is the case then every civilian death ever in war is just that. Are we going to crucify our brave Aussie soldiers who have inadvertently killed civilian in war? Same thing.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 16:40

How the [censored] is it disgusting labelling it a terrorist attack?

Did it enforce terror on those who burnt to death?
I hope you knew no one on board brett. Its murder.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 17:00

It will be interesting to see how both sides play it against each other in a he said she said match. Both countries blame each other.
Posted by: KevD

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 17:01

Flew that exact same route only a few days previous. Looked down over the war zone...did not know at the time that they had missiles that could reach 10km up....would have been a lot more nervous if I had known. Looks like it was a known threat for some time - some carriers avoiding the area, looks like Malaysia and Singapore that I flew with decided to risk lives to save some fuel $. Hope they get strung up for it as well.
Murder? Yep, with you on that one Trav. Perhaps the idiots on the ground should have learnt how to identify aircraft before shooting several hundred people out of the air.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 17:20

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
How the [censored] is it disgusting labelling it a terrorist attack?

Did it enforce terror on those who burnt to death?
I hope you knew no one on board brett. Its murder.


Because a terrorist attack is intentionally targeting a particular group of civilians in order to cause terror within that group. Plain and simple. As horrible as this was I highly doubt the Ukrainian rebels intentionally targeted a Civilian passenger aircraft. What it is is a bunch of Fwits in control of weapons they are not capable of using properly. You cant however just turn around and label it terrorism because it suits your political agenda. It is these sorts of lies and distortions of truth/fact that lead to conflicts like this in the first place. I am simply saying that it is better to be brutally honest rather than go off half cocked because you are upset by events.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 17:45

Im sure as hell that they blew that plane out of the sky on purpose. Its a popular route thats used every single damn day by countless other commercial airlines.

that is just an excuse for an act of terrorism.

RIP to all on board.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 17:48

Does that mean 911 wasnt an act of terror? I dont see much difference between flying a plane into a building, opposed to blowing it out of the sky?

Americans were not the only ones killed in 911.

Thats scary bello. Stuff that.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:01

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
Does that mean 911 wasnt an act of terror? I dont see much difference between flying a plane into a building, opposed to blowing it out of the sky?

Americans were not the only ones killed in 911.

Thats scary bello. Stuff that.


No In 9 11 they INTENTIONALLY targeted civilians. If you count unintentionally killing civilians as terrorism then you are accusing all soldiers including our own of terrorism. If on the other hand they knew they were targeting civilans then yes it is terrorism but from the recordings I heard it is blatantly obvious that is not the caase
Posted by: Gad

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:03

Quote { Are we going to crucify our brave Aussie soldiers who have inadvertently killed civilian in war? Same thing.}

I think you insult our defence force people, past and present

Collateral damage (as in non-combatant deaths) = unintentional killing of non-combatants during attacks on legitimate enemy targets.

The flaw with your ‘same thing’ is: the terrorists did NOT identify a ‘legitimate enemy target’ they blew a civilian aircraft out of the sky on the ‘assumption’ that it was a Ukrainian military plane.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:15

Actually I am defending our defence force people. Mistakes can be made and are made by all. Yes they made an 'assumption' which was ridiculous at best but the fact remains there goal was to attack Ukranian military targets and they thought it was a legitimate target. If you change the definition of terrorism to suit yourself whenever something happens you don't like then terrorism no longer has any meaning. Have you noticed that every fight nowadays has someone(often everyone) labelled as a terrorist. The key word is INTENTIONALLY. And this attack while horrible and tragic and committed by people who are very questionable, was not intentionally an attack on civilians.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:19

Like I said, the people who burned to death and fell 10,000 metres probably felt pretty terrified.

Id like you to explain to me evidence that the voilent crime wasnt intentional.

Cus to be honest, in the audio recordings, they didnt seem too concerned.

Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:23

Just going by the recorded phone calls everyone has heard Trav. That is the only evidence we have at the moment and from that alone it is clearly a case of mistaken identity. If that changes I will be more than happy to jump on the terrorism bandwagon but until then I will remain objective. It's what I do.

Maybe they didn't sound concerned to you Trav but they sounded a bit taken aback to me. Emotional no but worried yes.
Posted by: teckert

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 18:36

guys the whole term of terrorists in relation to this is because Ukrainian officials often use the term “terrorist” to describe pro-Russian separatists. They were the ones that initially used the term to describe this and since then media have also used the term.
Got nothing to do with the actual incident...
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 19:09

I have heard the incident described as an act of terrorism. That is my gripe. It isn't. And it alters the definition of the term. This is a horrible incident and the idiots that perpertrated it should be held to account but you can't just go around changing the definition of words as you see fit. They then have no meaning.
Posted by: Gad

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 19:12

Yes Brett, I should have used a term like ‘insurgent militia’ ‘armed rebels’ etc etc instead of ‘terrorists’ , but to compare our defence force people to their insurrection cause is insulting.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/07/2014 22:42

I wonder was it termed "terrorism" when the US had their whoopsy back in 1988?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 07:30

And the reason the pro russian seperatists are labled terrorists is because the ukranian govt want to link their fight with the wider struggle against terroriism. Not because they are actually terrorists. Like them or hate them ( and I hate them) they are freedom fighters. Anyway. Regardless of that fact it is a tragic circumstance that can only cause more trouble in the long run with russia and its nutjob leader.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 07:31

Both the US and Russia in the past, equipped with the best technology available, have shot down commercial airliners that weren't flying through a war zone.

This plane was taking the cheapest option in flying through an active war zone that other airlines were avoiding. They flew over an area where military aircraft had been routinely shot down in the days preceding.

I would suggest this is a case where poorly trained military forces have been provided with equipment that they were not adequately trained to use to the extent they could correctly identify a military from civilian target.

That in a case like this, some would suggest this was an intentional act, based on as yet limited available evidence shows the extent of prejudice some people still carry. It is horrendous allegation to make and surely not justified based on what is known at this point.

I think the worst accusation that might be made at this point is that the plane was clearly shot down and those responsible have not admitted their error. This might cause me to think it was rebel separatists using weaponry from the russians who had previously denied providing such support.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 07:47

Pretty much bang on Locke. I know a lot of people probably think that given what has transpired the language used to describe the incident is not really all that important. In my opinion however it is the most important thing at the moment. Calling it terrorism is basically accusing putin of intentionally shooting down civilian aircraft and that can only lead to further trouble. Language is massively important in a situation like this.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 13:14


One is for sure we can call it a terrible act whether done intentionally or not .Thoughts go to the friends and relatives of the ones who lost there lives.
Posted by: KevD

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 13:32

Originally Posted By: Locke

I would suggest this is a case where poorly trained military forces have been provided with equipment that they were not adequately trained to use to the extent they could correctly identify a military from civilian target.

Just one app on their smartphones could have prevented this - if I can look up at a plane above me and identify it using a freely available app why can't they? Appreciate it is not going to identify military aircraft but should at least identify the civilian ones?
Posted by: duckweather

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 15:01

My heart and prayers go to those who have lost family and friends in this terrible incident.
I thank god my nephew got home safely. We have just discovered that two of his friends, who he was on holidays with in Europe last week, weren't so lucky. They were taken by this tragedy. We, as with many others, are stunned at the moment.

Duck.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 17:41

Originally Posted By: Bello Boy
Originally Posted By: Locke

I would suggest this is a case where poorly trained military forces have been provided with equipment that they were not adequately trained to use to the extent they could correctly identify a military from civilian target.

Just one app on their smartphones could have prevented this - if I can look up at a plane above me and identify it using a freely available app why can't they? Appreciate it is not going to identify military aircraft but should at least identify the civilian ones?


Plenty of places in Australia where you couldn't do that with your smart phone.
Posted by: KevD

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 18:39

Fair enough, but not so many in Eastern Europe. Guess the rather glib point I was trying to make was that there is so much technology out there now that can identify aircraft it is astonishing someone could make this mistake.... Unless they are so battle hardened they simply do not care.
Posted by: Maxim_you

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/07/2014 21:51

It is a shame to me with our government which secretly delivers to terrorists the weapon from which killed innocent people

I hope that Putin and his terrorists will go to the Hague and will incur fair punishment.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/07/2014 15:56

No point you being ashamed Maxim. Not your fault. But I have to admit Putin is a worry from what can see. Always has been. It's not so much giving te rebels the weapons that bothers me it is more that it seems like he has almost single handedly started this war himself for some unknown reason.
Posted by: Locke

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 07:54

Saw on the news this morning that MH17 was 2000ft below and North of its planned flight path when shot down. Unconfirmed reports are that the pilot had discussed being shadowed by several military fighter jets shortly before it was shot down.

Meanhwhile, Qantas, British Airways and Air France had all been avoiding flying over the area in question before this tragedy occurred.

Still a lot of unanswered questions and plenty of people leaping to conclusions before were a long way from having all the facts to hand.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 08:36

Without the box...it will be hard.

Politics wont find the truth
Posted by: Things

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 10:19

Only truth politics will find is how useless they all are wink
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 11:28

If it turns out it was mistaken identity by the rebels then the black box wouldnt reveal much anyway. On the other hand if there is something more sinoster at play then no wonder it has dissapeared.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 11:56

Can at least prove flight level.

Can find out if the pilots did in fact notice they may have been followed by fighter jets moments before as per a possible rumour.

Will also see if the pilots had any warning in the seconds before impact. All important parts of a investigation.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 12:00

There should be no reason to take the black box. So why may they be trying to hide it?
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 12:34

Qantas had altered its course a while ago, people should quit the negativity on Malaysian Airlines. This is an airline now struggling to stay afloat financially due to the MH370 saga, This justifies why the airline may choose the cheaper option. Secondly, the movement both vertically and its drift to the north suggest that is was told to make room to avoid traffic (It was still a busy corridor) and that there were better conditions to the north. Big difference if you are in the jet stream or not or on the particular side of a High or Low. Pilots do this quite often as there is generally reward and praise for saving fuel.

The stars lined up that day to doom MH017

It doesn't help that Russia paint its cargo planes white.

And people need to be sceptical of anything Ukraine, the rebels or Russia say; espionage and the backwards and forwards slander the people will make both sides seem as guilty.

I wouldn't be ashamed Maxim. almost every weapon in that part of the world will be Russian made or linked to russia. Russia gave the rebels the means to fight for a cause. America gave Al qaeda the means to carry out much of it's atrocities. Russia didn't press the button (If it turns out the rebels did it)
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 15:00

Malaysian Airlines is a government run airline. Surely the Malaysian Government will stick by it. After the incident earlier in the year the public would have been just getting over that one before this one had occured.
One must certainly feel for the employees of the airline. they have lost workmates and friends, both incidents this year have certainly not been the fault of the airline.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 18:33

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
There should be no reason to take the black box. So why may they be trying to hide it?


Like I said if there is something more sinister to hide (like the possible fighter planes you are talking about) then there is a lot of reason to take it. Even it is still just a mistaken identity case the Russians will look at it to check if there is anything incriminating which is probably unlikely but if there is it won't be returned until t is wiped that's for sure.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/07/2014 19:57

surely the pilots would have reported being tracked by fighter jets. no reports from ATC of anything like that or any distress call at all.
Posted by: Crookhaven River

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2014 08:06

MH17 black boxes to be handed over to Malaysian authorities - Malaysian PM

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak says the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 black boxes will be handed over to the Malaysians in Donetsk at 9pm Ukrainian time (1900 GMT). The bodies of 282 victims of the crash are to be flown to Amsterdam.

Prime Minister Najib Razak said an agreement had been reached with militiamen at the scene of the crash that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 black boxes will be handed over to Malaysian authorities in Donetsk at 9pm Ukrainian time.

The bodies of 282 victims are being moved by train before being flown to Amsterdam for repatriation. At least three refrigerated train carriages with bodies of those killed have departed from the town of Torez, near the site of the crash, to the town of Ilovaysk and are on their way to Donetsk.

Malaysian aviation experts arrived in Donetsk, eastern Ukraine, to investigate the crash of the MH17 flight. Earlier local militia said they found presumed data recorders at the site and would hand them over to international investigators.

http://rt.com/news/174448-malaysian-pm-mh17-statement/
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2014 08:48

finally starting to see some common sense come foward over all of this. a few days late, but better late than never.
Posted by: Crookhaven River

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2014 09:55

Yeah Mick common sense is thin on the ground in war zones, anyway hats off to quiet Dutch & Malaysian diplomacy.
Posted by: Crookhaven River

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/07/2014 18:06

Ukraine rebels hand over MH17 black boxes and let train carrying bodies leave

Four days after the Boeing 777 came crashing down into the fields of eastern Ukraine, the flight recorders from flight MH17 were finally handed over to the Malaysians at a surreal night-time ceremony in Donetsk, while the bodies of 282 victims began a slow train journey out of the country's south-eastern conflict zone.

Almost 12 hours after negotiations with the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, a Malaysian delegation was handed the two "black boxes" – chunky devices which are in fact orange – by Alexander Borodai, the self-styled prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic, in a late-night press conference guarded by dozens of Kalashnikov-wielding rebels, on the 11th floor of a government building in Donetsk that has been occupied by the rebels.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/07/2014 23:47

seems like another plane may have gone down in Taiwan. Likely due to the severe weather there.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wire...illing-24675925



Also 2 Su-25s have been shot down by the separatists. For a group with limited fire power and no airforce, they are giving the Ukrainian air force hell.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2014 19:55

Possibly another airline down just now to. Heard on facebook. Air Algerie missing. Hope its a glitch and all is good but not liking the frequency of air crash incidents of late.

Spain's Swiftair says contact lost with Airbus A320 plane which was expected to land in Algiers; 110 passengers, six crew members on board
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/07/2014 23:33

Unfortunately this one wasn't a glitch as hoped.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/air-algerie-passenger-jet-missing/5622514
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/07/2014 00:10

Yeah that's bad news. I guess we will all wake to hear the latest tomorrow. Hoping somehow there were survivors. Not a Airbus A320 either but the MD-83. Not a great period for aviation currently. Hope that will be it for a few years at least. Had enough lately.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2014 20:03

Here's a bit of an old classic project from work firing up the engines for the first time in over two years after undergoing a complete airframe rebuild to see that she soars for many more years to come.
A bit of her history for those interested....
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austmz/VH-MMA.html

DC-3 Start-Up
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2014 20:55

Hey all I have an upcoming long haul flight from the Gold Coast to Los Angeles. I'm a bit nervous as my last long haul flight was terrifying after the cockpit caught fire en route from Japan to Brisbane and we had to make an emergency landing in Guam - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/fire-forces-jetstar-emergency-landing/1710272 this media article dumbs the situation down quite a bit - I mean far out we all knew it was on fire, the cabin crew were clearly in panic mode too & that is NOT what you want above the Pacific Ocean at midnight. I've never flown Jetstar since - ha. I have flown domestically a bit since then and also a few short haul to Fiji & Bali, NZ etc and handled (just) but this one to LA has me nervous.

I'm asking the forum if anyone can recommend the best sedative in case I get anxiety. Valium & a few stiff Gins won't cut it - I want to be completely chilled, I'm sure a GP will write me something up but thought I'd ask on here for recommendations 1st. I'm flying Air New Zealand who have a good record and I'm sure it will all be cool but I don't want to take the risk of doing a Marge Simpson freak out. Thanks
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2014 21:12

Dose of morphine poke

All I can say is that you have nothing to worry about, count your lucky stars that you were apart of the incident in 2009 as it doesn't happen to most people, guam would have been interesting.

You could take sleeping tablets and try and sleep through the flight but depending on where you are sitting in the plane it might be more difficult to sleep.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/07/2014 22:31

I took half a stilnox each way when flying to Asia soon after taking a seat. 8 hours later I was awoken by the cabin staff. On the return leg everyone seated around me was peeved that I had slept through a kid crying for several hours. No-one else slept a wink. I had half a glass of white wine with it.

I don't get nervous flying Ms Milo, just bored stiff.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2014 18:56

Originally Posted By: Ms Milo
Hey all I have an upcoming long haul flight from the Gold Coast to Los Angeles. I'm a bit nervous as my last long haul flight was terrifying after the cockpit caught fire en route from Japan to Brisbane and we had to make an emergency landing in Guam - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-06-11/fire-forces-jetstar-emergency-landing/1710272 this media article dumbs the situation down quite a bit - I mean far out we all knew it was on fire, the cabin crew were clearly in panic mode too & that is NOT what you want above the Pacific Ocean at midnight. I've never flown Jetstar since - ha. I have flown domestically a bit since then and also a few short haul to Fiji & Bali, NZ etc and handled (just) but this one to LA has me nervous.

I'm asking the forum if anyone can recommend the best sedative in case I get anxiety. Valium & a few stiff Gins won't cut it - I want to be completely chilled, I'm sure a GP will write me something up but thought I'd ask on here for recommendations 1st. I'm flying Air New Zealand who have a good record and I'm sure it will all be cool but I don't want to take the risk of doing a Marge Simpson freak out. Thanks


I couldnt imagine being on a plane and knowing something is wrong. I fly very frequently, I do around 6000km a month for work and try not to think about what can go wrong haha. I love flying dont get me wrong, but at times I still get nervous about what can happen. Maybe my addiction to aircrash investigations has something to do with it.
Posted by: Things

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2014 20:19

For every flight that has issues, there's thousands that don't, air travel is extremely safe these days. I remember being on a flight into Melbourne from QLD once, which is usually a bit bumpy on approach, but this one time the plane literally felt like it dropped a few metres very rapidly. I was looking out the window at the time and the amount the wing flexed was absolutely insane, no way I would have expected a wing to be able to bend that much and still function as normal. It was scary as hell but also a reminder just how safe the aircraft actually are. I remember actually temporarily blacking out when it happened as it was very rapid, but the flight went on just as normal.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2014 23:07

I feel safer boarding a plane than I do driving the streets of Townsville. and like you trav im a massive aircrash investigations fan!
I have only started flying often this year for work, I feel safe in knowing we have one of the worlds safest air traffic control and aircraft maintenance codes in the world.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/08/2014 07:16

Mick I have Foxtel and its on everyday haha. I have a serious problem.

Im considering taking lessons in TSV Mick. I cant take it anymore haha.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/08/2014 13:32

Some of the hardware getting around over Darwin this morning as the Pitch Black operations get underway.


Pitch Black 2014
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Pitch Black 2014
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Pitch Black 2014
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Pitch Black 2014
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Pitch Black 2014
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: Ms Milo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/08/2014 17:15

of interest to my earlier post about flight anxiety - seems it's becoming more predominate

http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/michaela-mcguire/2014/01/2014/1406871774/crying-high
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/08/2014 18:54

looks like an interesting doco is not too far away....
you can check the trailer out here aviationtheinvisiblehighway.com

looks well done and it will be narrated by Harrison Ford
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 05/08/2014 12:20

fuaaar that looks amazing mate!
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/08/2014 00:04

Bula vinaka! Thought I'd share my flying experiences from my recent trip to Fiji. smile

Around 11pm (Melbourne/Canberra/Sydney/Hobart time) on Monday August 11th 2014 I departed Melbourne aboard Fiji Airways (formerly Air Pacific) FJ930, and arrived around 5:30am on Tuesday August 12th 2014 (New Zealand/Fiji time) in Nadi (en route to Nausori and Suva). It was a cold night at Melbourne Airport, around 5°C with the Super Moon high overhead in-between light showers, but very pleasant after I reached my first destination, around 21°C with a gorgeous sunrise over the Sabeto Mountains to the east of Nadi. smile

I didn't have a window seat as I normally do, and it was too dark anyway to see anything, so I had no idea of where I was flying over at any particular point in time. According to data I obtained from Flightaware, the flight took me almost-directly over Corryong, Northeast Victoria around 11:50pm, and straight over Canberra's northern suburbs at around midnight. Around this time, the captain announced on the radio that we were flying over the NSW Snowy Mountains and over the Capital. I exited the Australian East Coast and entered the Tasman Sea and South Pacific Ocean at around 12:10am over Shell Cove (between Kiama and Shellharbour in the NSW Illawarra region).

The flight was fairly uneventful weatherwise, but having checked through the Weatherzone forum and the radar and satellite images prior to boarding my flight at Melbourne Airport I was aware of shower and possible thunderstorm activity lurking along and off the NSW coastline in southerly winds, so I was concerned about possible turbulence. Fortunately, apart from the occasional rounds of mild/moderate bumps and shakes, the flight was all smooth-sailing! smile

Once in Nadi, I boarded FJ7 for Suva around 8am Fiji time, and landed around 30 minutes later in Nausori, Suva; the Super Moon was over the west by then but had not yet set. Conditions were a bit hazy and partly cloudy with patchy inland fog on the western side of the main island of Viti Levu (the so-called 'burning west' or drier, leeward side of the island), with heavy cloudcover and showers on the windward, wetter eastern side, especially around Suva and Nausori (it was probably around 24°C after I landed). Again no window seat for me.

On Monday August 19th 2014, around 2pm Fiji time, I boarded FJ12 at Nausori and departed for Nadi (en route back to Melbourne). The flight was again only about 20-30 minutes. As with the Nadi-Nausori flight, it was quite cloudy over much of the interior of Viti Levu, particularly on the eastern side, but mostly sunny around Nadi (around 27°C), aside from smoke billowing from sugar cane fires and burn-off activity (winds were westerly at the time instead of the usual southeast trade wind). This time I had a window seat. smile

Around 6pm Fiji time, I boarded FJ931 at Nadi for Melbourne. Again I didn't have a window seat but I had a view facing west and enjoyed a fantastic, brief sunset over the Mamanuca and Yasawa Islands before take-off. Total darkness set in around an 90 minutes later during the flight. Otherwise nothing much to report, just a bit of mild/moderate turbulence. Data obtained from Flightaware showed that I came back onto the Australian East Coast at 9pm (Melbourne/Canberra/Sydney/Hobart time) right over Merimbula on the NSW South Coast! smile

I landed at Melbourne Airport around 15 minutes ahead of schedule due to a good tail wind (we were scheduled to arrive at 10pm). I arrived home just before midnight. It was around 11°C by the time I arrived back in Melbourne.

Unfortunately, there was NO sleep whatsoever for me during the Melbourne-Nadi flight, so by the time I joined my fiancee and her family in Suva I was totally exhausted and suffering from a bad headache! I don't know which is worse when it comes to flying from Melbourne to Fiji, an early-morning flight or an overnight flight. If only I had the option of a late-morning/midday/afternoon flight. Either way I can't win! frown
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2014 03:26

Attending a bit of a gathering of the local aviation community this weekend down at the historic WW2 Coomalie Creek Airfield to commemorate VJ Day. Really nice to see most of the old local warbirds and historic planes making an appearance along with a few of the more modern aircraft doing their thing to impress the crowd.

Here is a few snaps of some of the attendees.....


YAK.
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Pitts Special
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Tigermoth
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Harvard landing at Coomalie Airstrip
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Harvard.
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2014 14:24



Beautiful pics Orebound ..such good clarity too.

Looks like a great day to be watching them old beasts flying around up there.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/08/2014 16:29

Nice OB. Some sexy old birds there.
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/08/2014 14:54

Cheers.

Here's a bit of video I shot in the Harvard pictured above. Never fly with friends or colleagues as their main objective is always to try and make you spew! laugh

North American Harvard/T-6 Flight Video

(Typical YouTube compression so might look a bit cleaner adjusted to play in 720HD)
Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/08/2014 12:51

I have just returned from 6 weeks travelling OS and had the opportunity to fly from Singapore- Doha- Munich on the Qatar Boeing 787. I was impressed with the interior Qatar had and also the amount of room inside the B787. It seemed like a rather short plane internally overall. I personally didn't like the cabin noise from the rattling overheads and Lavatories which didn't allow for much sleep. The 787 seemed rather heavy as one could feel the vibrations coming up from the bogies as they traversed every bump on the tarmac and runway. The 787 did offer a smooth flying experience overall.
I also had the opportunity to see the A350 sporting the Airbus colors on the ground at Franfurt airport; looking forward to getting on this baby some day as it looked very impressive with its winglets and design.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/09/2014 01:06

Interesting concept .Concorde replacement?

http://www.traveller.com.au/airbus-to-collaborate-on-aerion-as2-supersonic-business-jet-10kqir
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 05/10/2014 20:33

here is an interesting aviation video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3HrGaIA1k

it is the unveiling of sikorski's (spelling?) new attack hellicopter..... mad looking design
I think it will set a few new land speed records in its class

a pretty sexy machine
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 05/10/2014 23:59

I had a nice adventure coming back from Canberra to Townsville (via Brisbane) on Thursday evening.
My virgin Australia E190 came in from Brisbane on time. I was watching them load our luggage on to the aircraft for the turnaround back to Brisbane. But they did make the make call for boarding on time. another 15minutes pass before the announcement came "blahblah flight to Brisbane has an engineering fault, we have no scheduled time of departure at this point. Would passenger Michael..... please come to service desk".
well that's the point you know your heart has sunk. Thursday was also my 15th wedding anniversary and I knew I wasn't going to make my connecting flight, the last of night, back to the 'ville.
The service staff were great, said they would get me to Brisbane that night and put me in accommodation for the night. I said no, I can stay with my parents if they give me a taxi fare to their place instead. So all was settled, rang the wife, who took it well.
So after another hour of waiting, they finally said it looks like the plane wont be departing at all. was put on another E190 to Melbourne, which was held up 45 minutes for us all (about 20) to be rebooked and luggage transferred. not sure what happened to other 100 passengers or where they ended up or what happened to my original plane.
after landing in Melbourne, was shuffled to a 737-800 up to Brisbane. this plane was held up for an hour for us to make our connection to Brisbane. finally get to Brisbane at 1130pm. was given my taxi cabcharges and told I was on the 6am flight to Townsville. said no to that one, as I would have had to have been back to the airport within a few hours. so they put me on one at noon (had the ok from work to be late). Then find out my suitcase was left in either Canberra or Melbourne, they weren't sure. but they will find it.
Rock up back at the airport next morning, went to baggage services first. yep there was my suitcase, arrived 30minutes earlier. so checked in. went to my gate to board another E190. We were left waiting out in the sun on the tarmac for 15minutes and would let us up the stairs. then boarded to find the air con wasn't working. they spent 30minutes trying to fix the aircon and was about to take us off the plane when they finally fixed it. then the pilots had to go through the whole pre flight check list.
90 minutes late, we finally took off and made it home!
bottom line is, I wasn't meant to be on a Qantas flight home that night, which landed on time, but got moved to the later virgin flight because I had to work a bit later!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/10/2014 08:21

That is every travllers nightmare.

Im pretty lucky mate, with the amount I fly And have only had 2-3 really late flights from faults.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/10/2014 16:08

sounds like you took the scenic route back to townsville
I got to the checkin at avalon ready to head to sydney last saturday
I was with my mates and thought I was on their flight.
We rocked up at 1850 when check in opened and they said I
was on the one that left at 1820!

thank god jetstar did some magic on the computer and I only had to pay the $50 transfer fee.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/10/2014 09:46

oops!
dont you just hate that. least jetstar were good about, they could have been right royal pains and say you lost your fare and have to buy a new one. good to see they were accomodating.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/10/2014 14:17

yeah.... was grand final night and sydney lost so i was lucky
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/10/2014 14:11



This is interesting stuff, maybe help locate MH370.

An Australian scientist says it is possible to locate missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 by identifying cloud changes for evidence of vapour trails caused by burning fuel emissions from the aircraft.

Vapour trails from aircraft
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/10/2014 14:14



Also this hopefully will pick up the customer services on Tiger. Quote from yesterdays news

"VIRGIN Australia has today announced a complete takeover of low cost carrier Tiger Airways.

The airline already has a 60 per cent stake in Tiger, and will acquire the remaining 40 per cent of shares for just $1.

The move is expected to help Virgin return to profitability by the end of 2016 despite a first quarter underlying loss for 2014-15 of $45 million.

As part of the proposed acquisition, Virgin Australia will fly Tigerair to a number of short-haul destinations in a move likely to put it in direct competition with Jetstar."
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/10/2014 16:25

purchase a 40% stake in an airline for just $1 dollar. pretty good deal, one wonders if the accc thought that was fair or not. Qantas is already struggling and now virgin can by an airline and place it against Jetstar. then we complain when we want to give Qantas a bigger share of international buyers.
having said that Virgin is posting losses and just bought an airline which is also posting a loss.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/10/2014 17:06



All pretty cut throat sort of business in the Airline industry these days .

Not much real profit making happening lately anyway.

I suppose if everyone wants low price fares and the competition for bums on seats is immense to make up for the apparent operating costs there isn't going to be much margin to make lots of money..
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/10/2014 23:11

Airline Industry as a whole only makes US$6b dollars profit, not a lot to share around every airline... industry is worth ~US$600b, its going to get worse, or all most all familiar airline will become LCCs
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/10/2014 23:20

I was reading that the A380's aren't doing too well. Plenty of cancelled orders and hard to make a business case for at $400 million a piece. The article reckons they'll be lucky if they break even on them.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 11:08

yeah, most airlines need to sell 90-95% of the seats to break even..... pretty hard to maintain almost 500 per flight. the 747 and 777 seem to fit nicely into the upper limits.

also the a380 was a terrible cargo aircraft. you can imagine how much more room all the extra bags will take up. a full conversion of the aircraft would require new ULDs as the shape of the aircraft changes. for many routes cargo is what makes the big bucks
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 11:32

its sad seeing the the number of 747's being reduced in the skies. hoping the 747-800 makes a comeback for boeing.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 15:40

When I was out looking for meteorites the other night I watched a high altitude jet go through around 1.00am and noticed that considering there was no breeze it was very quiet.

So I jumped on flight radar and saw it was one of the dreamliners flying from Beijing to New Zealand. As it headed south it looked to be on a collision course (on flight radar) with another jet. When I clicked on the other jet it was also a Dreamliner heading back from New Zealand to Beijing at 40,000 feet or around 1500 feet higher than the other plane.

A sign of the times. The Dreamliner appears to be a commercial success. It too few straight over head around 10 minutes later. All up I saw two jets and one meteorite smile.

I was reading that the A380hasn't sold a single plane in the USA and Emirates are their biggest client. They are also rumoured to be discounting them by half.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 19:14

Did you see if it was the Air New Zealand one, or asian carriers.. the latter I am guessing, as far as I know we have only taken delivery of 1 Dreamliner so far.. I could be wrong.
They are replacing the old workhorses in the fleet.. the 767-300's.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 19:33

Both were Chinese I think.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/10/2014 21:23

Can't wait for the day I get to have a ride on a dreamliner..... its at the top of the list of aircraft to fly on grin
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/10/2014 01:00

Originally Posted By: Dale Small
Did you see if it was the Air New Zealand one, or asian carriers.. the latter I am guessing, as far as I know we have only taken delivery of 1 Dreamliner so far.. I could be wrong.
They are replacing the old workhorses in the fleet.. the 767-300's.


They crossed again tonight at 11.55pm (Qld time) of the coast south of here off the coast of Mackay. Both were China Southern airlines.

http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=495931

Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/10/2014 07:58

have seen them on the tarmac at brisbane airport, but like dawoodman, love to fly on one.

i am on a 717 (love those jets, great to fly on) then the ye ole standard 737 up to townsville tonight.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/10/2014 14:31

Oh good stuff, I had a suspiscion it was China Southern.. also noticed on the SeQ/NNSW flight radar the other evening, Jetstar also have a (or more) Dreamliners? I'm sure it was B788 as the aircraft type..
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/10/2014 18:35

Im a commercial aviation guy

But this vid is something else

http://digg.com/video/fighter-jet-video-compilation
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/11/2014 15:35

Virgin Galactic suffered a set back today. Apparently they were trialling a new fuel.

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/world/...f-1227109110458
Posted by: ozone doug

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/11/2014 16:21

Yeah wasn't good ,35th flight .Shame it was going good.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/11/2014 22:02

couple of pics I took of Qantaslink DHC-8 on take from Townsville airport.
VH-TQD was on its way to Mackay as part of the Kangaroo hop to Brisbane

Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/11/2014 22:03

Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/11/2014 09:40

Beautiful!

I have noticed a plethora of aircraft in & out of Brisbane over the last few days, with the APEC summit over in Beijing, all hour of the day & night there have been Il-76s & whatnot traversing.. plus a couple of United Dreamliners.. seems to be getting busy over there.

For the AV watchers.. balus.info will kill a few hours smile

Cheers...
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/11/2014 09:44

i would love to be in brissy over the next week watching the different aircraft coming in and out. be awesome.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 01:00

Pity you need to be a registered plane spotter or media to get access to the spotting areas at the airport (I guess it would be good news for you :))

I live on campus at UQ, apparently it's shut down one of the days on the weekend for Obama's speech - don't quite know what that means yet...
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 09:54

my Dad works at UQ and is not going to work for a few days as the uni is shut down. busy time.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 11:59

Plenty of places to spot around Brisbane.. all you need to know is the weather & if it's going to be a 01 or 19 approach.. I'd happily give up this broken leg to be over there in the next week or so smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 17:06

Here's a few samples.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-12/plane-spotters-look-to-the-sky-for-g20-arrivals/5883206
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 18:09

Originally Posted By: Mick10
my Dad works at UQ and is not going to work for a few days as the uni is shut down. busy time.


Yeah, just saw the map. Looks like we won't be allowed out of the grounds for a while.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/11/2014 18:36

Saturday is Obamas Speech Xavo smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/11/2014 17:11

There's an Antonov parked in Cairns at the moment.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/11/2014 17:52

Must be part of the Russian invasion force parked on our borders
Posted by: El Jefe

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/11/2014 18:46

If it's the same one, it was in Darwin last Sunday arvo and I later saw on the news it was down in Brissy delivering Putin's staff cars and such. A couple of Limo's and other vehicles etc.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/11/2014 09:26

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
Saturday is Obamas Speech Xavo smile


Yeah the declared zone came into effect yesterday arvo. There's been a heavy police presence for most of the week, and lots of blokes in suits wandering around during the week when everyone is trying to study.

I thought I may have heard a drone last night as well, but probably more likely to be a chopper really high up. Also heard the Ospreys and Sea Kings going back and forth - this really is an exciting time!
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/11/2014 09:30

Orions just landed back in TSV from one of there missions to watch the russian ships LOL

stupid media.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/11/2014 16:22

The amount of helicopters in the air at the moment is just crazy.

Got to see the President, managed to get a good spot right next to the roundabout & made it onto the news I think.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/11/2014 18:30

Originally Posted By: AlanJ
If it's the same one, it was in Darwin last Sunday arvo and I later saw on the news it was down in Brissy delivering Putin's staff cars and such. A couple of Limo's and other vehicles etc.


The russian motercade was delivered on an IL-76... older, although I don't think IL-76 aircraft get too old poke

Antonov's resemble more modern aircraft and are bigger.

Its awesome to get a glimpse of the diverse aircraft around.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/11/2014 10:45

No but if you want to see a scary video of one (Il-76) on youtube taking off from Canberra, head there and have a search around.. it's an amazing video shot from the control tower grin
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/11/2014 15:55

Sad news to hear that a man is dead following an ultralight crash in queensland yesterday. It sparked a grass fire.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/11/2014 07:48

Robinson R44 also crashed near Archer River yesterday on route too Mareeba. ALl are alive, but unsure of injuries.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/12/2014 13:16

Just reading that our new Dreamliner had a bit of a tangle with some lightning near Perth the other day..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/63698392/Air-NZ-Dreamliner-struck-by-lightning

Lucky escape!
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/12/2014 14:25


The ARH Tiger is a two-seat, attack helicopter that performs a wide range of missions. It is fast and agile with the ability to detect and engage targets at long ranges, and can easily coordinate and control combined arms teams.



It was visiting Broome on the 6th of December 2014 at Haynes..... but things didn't go exactly to plan it got stuck with a red warning light going on before it could take off.



At one stage the technicians were just scratching their heads at what to do...delayed for 2 hours.



Eventually she took off and re landed at the airport for repairs...
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/12/2014 15:15

Were they done coastal surveillance Desie?
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/12/2014 15:59


No CF they were just up to encourage youths into airforce careers and help Norforce (our Broome army reserve unit) with some fundraising for their Kimberley bike challenge next year.

They put on a free sausage sizzle and provided information with a talk about these amazing helicopters.

Created a lot of interest and were well accepted judging by the amount of people that had a close up look while at the oval.The kids as well as adults were fascinated by such an awesome machine.

Definitely good for the community and to promote opportunities within the air force.

Think they may be located in Tindal but not sure.

Should bring it to every town in OZ ... wink
Posted by: El Jefe

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/12/2014 16:23

Originally Posted By: desieboy

Think they may be located in Tindal but not sure.


Hi desieboy,

The ARH Tigers are based at 1 Aviation Regiment (1 AVN Regt) at Robertson Barracks, Darwin and are part of the Australia Army's 16th Aviation Brigade.
Army Website smile
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/12/2014 12:07



Thanks Alan for that knew it couldn't have too far away from here.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/12/2014 18:10

i have seen nothing but Qantas bashing on the news all day today over its aircraft maintenance. of course two of the issues were passenger comfort issues not flight safety. but whats even worse, not a single mention of virgins issue with an ATR-72 overnight which had prop malfunction.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/12/2014 18:38

Yeah, it coincides nicely with Qantas actually posting a profit for once.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/12/2014 06:42

Air NZ taking delivery of a couple more dreamliners I read the other day.. taking the tally to 10 with options for another 6.. well on the road to phasing out the 767-300's and with the 777-300's taking over from the 744's, looking like a very young fleet for us. Also posted a nice little profit here.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/12/2014 07:31

I dont understand the medias obsession with qantas incidents.

should be sued.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/12/2014 08:33

sad about the 767's retiring. the old work horses. love those planes. same can be said for the 747. though I am hopeful the 747-800 will revive the model a bit.

the reason Qantas has struggled the past few years is because of its investment in getting younger aircraft into the fleet and therefore saving on fuel and maintenance of older aircraft. if only the media and the general public stopped looking at short term and focused on what Qantas was doing long term.
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 10/12/2014 13:31

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
I dont understand the medias obsession with qantas incidents.

should be sued.


So the first issue (Sunday) was an A380 from Dubai to Sydney which lost cabin pressure near Perth. Apparently it was a slow leak due to the loss of the Airconditioning system. So the Pilots decided to emergency descend to 10,000ft and then to 9,000ft and divert to Perth so they could fix the problem and refuel.
Losing cabin pressure is quite problematic, but it's debatable whether this issue was news worthy.

The 2nd (Monday) was the 737-800 near Perth that had just left Perth, and had to turn around because of a strange odour in the cabin. Could have been many things and it's still under investigation I think.

The 3rd (Monday) was another A380 which left Sydney, but a number of toilets stopped working and power was disrupted to the IFE system. The plane was in no danger, they merely turned around due to passenger comfort concern.

So yeah, you're entirely right Trav. 2 of them were fairly serious (depressurization and odours in cabin are treated very seriously) either of which probably shouldn't have been reported unless it was a very slow news day. The 3rd is basically a non-issue and was only included to bring up the stats for a shock factor I guess.

But I suppose when the Airline actually starts to do well again, you've gotta have something (if you're the media) to bring is back down again...
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/12/2014 11:00

The end already in sight for the A380?

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business...210-124a0c.html
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/12/2014 12:09

and the two B717's involved in incidents are not maintained by Qantas, they are operated by Cobham, and are actually maintained in Australia as well.

not much media on the Virgin ATR72 who's engine stopped after take off and the plane landed at Gladstone on one engine.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/12/2014 12:20

Yeah but Virgin aren't walking all over their Australian workforce so there's no story in it. In fact talking to an ex-Qantas cabin crew member who now works for Virgin she reckons the difference in how they treat their staff is night and day. May explain why they were all grumpy last time (and the very last time) I flew with them internationally.

Qantas should have sacked Joyce a long time ago. Any other company CEO that performed so badly as him would have dumped him years ago. Qantas 'anti-competitive behaviour over the past 30 years destroying several carriers in the process has made them an easy target. You reap what you sow they say.

Perhaps some of the journalists running the articles are ex-compass staff? Or compass 2 or Ansett or Australian Airlines or one of the others they took down?
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 12/12/2014 22:52

we finally get the new Qantas retro livery 737 coming into Townsville at its a night time flight departing at 6am. typical!
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/12/2014 11:19

Originally Posted By: Dale Small
Air NZ taking delivery of a couple more dreamliners I read the other day.. taking the tally to 10 with options for another 6.. well on the road to phasing out the 767-300's and with the 777-300's taking over from the 744's, looking like a very young fleet for us. Also posted a nice little profit here.


hopefully air nz will be able to rid itself of the disaster of ansett poke

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Yeah but Virgin aren't walking all over their Australian workforce so there's no story in it. In fact talking to an ex-Qantas cabin crew member who now works for Virgin she reckons the difference in how they treat their staff is night and day. May explain why they were all grumpy last time (and the very last time) I flew with them internationally.

Qantas should have sacked Joyce a long time ago. Any other company CEO that performed so badly as him would have dumped him years ago. Qantas 'anti-competitive behaviour over the past 30 years destroying several carriers in the process has made them an easy target. You reap what you sow they say.

Perhaps some of the journalists running the articles are ex-compass staff? Or compass 2 or Ansett or Australian Airlines or one of the others they took down?


i dont know.... if joyce can, and reports say he has, got qantas out of the hole they were in it shows that he is good at what he does....most airlines take a lot longer to do the same. if it were me i'd fix the sinking ship before bend to the wishes of every single staff member. if allan gets the ball rolling again, expect some of the recent changes to be optimised and he will start paying more attention to his staff. The aviation industry requires such a precise balance to remain profitable.
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/12/2014 11:52

We can't be doing too bad.. Air NZ announced yesterday they are starting direct flights from Auckland to Argentina commencing late next year.. using the Boeing 77W's.. going into codeshare with Aerolineas Argentinas. It should become quite a profitable route if they play their cards right!
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2014 16:08

Originally Posted By: Dale Small
We can't be doing too bad.. Air NZ announced yesterday they are starting direct flights from Auckland to Argentina commencing late next year.. using the Boeing 77W's.. going into codeshare with Aerolineas Argentinas. It should become quite a profitable route if they play their cards right!


That would be a nice route, a good gateway to South America, which will become a very important emerging market. A lot of my lecturers see South America as a big investment that has the potential to pay off big time.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 14/12/2014 16:59

what people don't understand is the pressures of the fine balance of weighing the costs of aircraft vesus when to get new ones. sure joyce has been in for a few years. but the decision to start renewing the age the Qantas fleet started before he came in. and that cost has been astronomical. when you have 737-300 & 767's that were 20-30 years old and the price of petrol booming along with a GFC the balance is pretty tight. if Qantas has upgraded its fleet, retired its older fuel guzzling planes and now getting through the other side earlier than expected then one cant be too critical.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/12/2014 00:02

Interesting read on the new A350.

http://www.traveller.com.au/the-inside-s...eamliner-12c17x
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 11:01

I am after a new flight sim for the PC, whats the best one going around at the moment? has Microsoft put any new ones out lately?
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 12:59

The one I still use is Microsoft Flight Sim X but that is fairly old now, would be great if they (or someone else) released a later version
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 13:14

do you get to pick real airlines on X shummy? my youngest is into planes big time smile don't know where it got it from!!
Posted by: !SCHUMMY!

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 14:53

If you have an expansion pack with it you can fly any airline in the world. I do have a copy of it so I'll see if I can find the name of it for you over the weekend smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 17:14

That microsoft flight sim is still regarded as the best I believe.

Love this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KPBhDc-55Y
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 17:16

I still have flight sim x. Had 95 98 and 2002 as well. good stuff.

Love flying the 737
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/12/2014 23:55

if you are looking for realism and combat aircraft I'd recommend DCS world.... There is Flight Sim X or X-plane, with the latter seeming to have more recent support. Microsoft disbanded the team behind flight sim


in outher news a Southwest Airlines 737 clipped another plane today while taxing, I imagine the passengers were over the moon seeing as its so close to christmas

Merry Christmas guys
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 15:13

An air asia a320 has lost contact with atc between indonesia and singapore. 150 people on board.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 15:15

status unknown

uh oh....
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 15:18

Transport ministry official Hadi Mustofa said flight QZ8501 lost contact with the Jakarta air traffic control tower at 6:17am local time (9:17am AEDT).

The official said the aircraft is an Airbus 320-200 with 155 people on board and the plane had asked for an unusual route before it lost contact.
Posted by: logansi

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 15:24

not good at all, its now 3 hours late, wouldn't have enough fuel frown Another Malaysian owned airline
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 17:35

Not looking good.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/12/2014 18:51


Satellite imagery of the planes route shows some challenging thunderstorm activity .

No wonder the pilot requested an alternative route .

Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/12/2014 12:30

it is believed that they may have flown into the storms, very very challenging conditions. I don't think this will be a good outcome but there is still hope to find the plane and some people. I just hope they can get spotters out to search. I heard bad weather had made it difficult.

It has been a rough year for asian airlines
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/12/2014 13:25


Lots of severe storms around the tropics at this time of year and the next few months. Lots of bumpy flights happening every day up there. Sad for that flight .Lets hope they find the wreckage soon.

I flew with the said airline coming back from Vietnam Ho Chi Min city a couple of years in March when there was a Cyclone around north of Oz and it was the worst bumpy flight I'd ever experienced . They seemed to go right into the worst sector to get from A to B as fast as possible and I'm sure other pilots would have avoided the area.

I had a window seat and could see it all as it was a full moon and about 1am, going into one wave of thick high cloud after another.. Bounced the crap out of everyone ..I know lots of the time it is unavoidable but this was exceptional.
Posted by: Gad

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/12/2014 19:46

Some times it is better to say nothing

US news hosts reach ludicrous conclusions on missing AirAsia flight

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/12/29...-airasia-flight
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/12/2014 09:44

I have heard some pretty full on explanations from complete numptys regarding this and MH370.. everything from aliens to both aircraft being stored for future terrorist attacks.. seriously?

The most plausible thing I have seen yet came from Captains who have flown that route many times.. and a notable fact that the whole fleet of Airbus craft have major problems when it comes to icing.. the fact it flew through that cluster and tried to get a higher clearance, which was allegedly denied.. and from another Captain, that at the flight level it was last recorded at, it's airspeed was 200km/h slower than what it should have been.. which suggests an ice build up and the plane simply falling from the sky as it approached stall speed.

Just his and my viewtake on it.. hope they find something to bring closure to the familys.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/12/2014 19:40

Reports now of a few bodies floating in the ocean with some debris.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/12/2014 23:59

this wasn't a hard task to find the crash site, although the plane may be more difficult to retrieve. icing could be a problem and coupled with severe turbulence within the storm, it doesn't take much investigative work to find possible reasons why the plane came down. I'd be interested to see how far this denied higher clearance goes and if it is true, what the reasoning behind it is.... one thing that comes to mind is fuel.....but I'm only speculating about a scenario that may not be true
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2014 08:33

Yesterdays reports from indonesian atc mentioned the pilot was refused higher altitude because of other aircraft in the area. The controller took a few minutes to check with singapore atc but when he got back to air asia flight there was no response.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2014 15:49



Update on recovery......

Debris and bodies of the aircraft have been located on Dec 30th 2014 in the Java Sea about 110nm from Pulau Belitung, about 10km/5nm from the last radar position. First bodies have been recovered by helicopters. Additional debris has been located 150nm eastsoutheast of Pulau Belitung/100nm southwest of Pangkalan Bun, a shadow on the sea floor of what appears to be the aircraft has been located about 86nm southwest of Pangkalan Bun and 150nm eastsoutheast of Pulau Belitung.

A search for the aircraft was underway, the aircraft was believed to have impacted water about 80nm before the island of Pulau Belitung.
Posted by: AUS_Twisted

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2014 23:11

Originally Posted By: Mick10
I am after a new flight sim for the PC, whats the best one going around at the moment? has Microsoft put any new ones out lately?


If you want a updated MS Flight Sim X Lockheed Martin bought the ESP version from Microsoft awhile back which is called Prepar 3D, it's updated to DirectX11 etc and has new features FSX does not have.
http://www.prepar3d.com

Microsoft also released FSX on Steam recently also which is meant to be more stable and run smoother then the original with updated Multi player support, other then that it's the same as the original with expansion.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/12/2014 23:17

Excellent info thank you
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/01/2015 15:23



Some interesting info coming in about the crash investigation of the Airasia flight.

Leaked figures show the plane climbed at a virtually unprecedented rate of 6000 to 9000 feet per minute, and "you can't do that at altitude in an Airbus 320 with pilot action".

The most that could normally be expected would be 1000 to 1500 feet on a sustained basis, with up to 3000 feet in a burst, he said.

The plane then fell at an even more incredible rate: 11,000 feet per minute with bursts of up to 24,000 feet per minute.

He said the Air France A330 Airbus that crashed in 2009 killing 228 passengers also reached dizzying ascent and descent rates, but some of the figures cited by Mr Soejatman are higher.

"We can't rule out that the data is wrong," he said, but added that they came from the aircraft itself, transmitted over the Mode S radar.

As for an explanation, he said it was a "mystery".

"One possibility is a strong updraft followed by strong ground draft, or structural failure of the aircraft."

Mr Marosszeky, a Research Fellow at the University of NSW School of Aviation, said a climb rate of 6000 feet per minute would indicate "a severe weather event", because that rate of climb was "a domain for jet fighters".
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/01/2015 20:53

I read that the other day and immediately my mind cast back to that Air France A330 accident.. very similar.

Noting that the A320 is a much lighter & smaller aircraft..
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/01/2015 13:38



More info on the Air Asia crash and icing seems to be a main suspect.....

INDONESIAN meteorological experts said an engine problem related to icing was the most likely culprit among possible weather-related factors in the crash of AirAsia Flight 8501, but they stopped short of identifying it as a cause of the fatal accident.

Icing inside jet engines can become a hazard at high altitude near large thunderstorms, when moisture turns into tiny ice crystals that can be sucked inside an engine. If the ice melts but then freezes again on metal surfaces, accumulating ice can either break into chunks that damage turbine blades, or melt and douse the ignition system.
Posted by: spud

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/01/2015 14:33

More Indonesian BS. The description of events in that reporting is rubbish.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/01/2015 15:33



Not so sure about divho seems like a logical explanation to me especially if the plane was right within a major thunderstorm.

I suppose we can only wait for the whole story to emerge.

Don't know why you are so ready to rubbish the Indonesian reports.??
Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/01/2015 16:01

Until the black boxes are found and the data analysed any theory as to what caused the crash is pure speculation and barely warrants any attention.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/01/2015 07:14

One of the great things about my Flightradar24.com smartphone app is that it allows me to keep track of flights almost anywhere I go, provided I have an Internet connection. smile

While here in Merimbula, I've been able to monitor the REX (Regional Express) flights arriving and departing at the local airport to and from Melbourne and Sydney, and occasionally other flights such as scenic flights for the NSW South Coast region. smile

But I have also discovered that overhead, flights travelling between Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney, Canberra, and Hobart can be seen (weather-permitting). The same can be said (off in the distance, and again weather-permitting) for flights travelling between New Zealand (Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch) and places like Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, and Singapore. smile

As for Corryong, Northeast Victoria, from my experience I've tracked flights travelling mainly between Melbourne and Sydney. But I've note aircraft travelling to other destinations along the same flight path, including Johannesburg in South Africa, Albury/Wodonga, Canberra, Newcastle, Noumea in New Caledonia, Port Villa in Vanuatu, Nadi in Fiji, Honolulu in Hawaii, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. smile

On at least one occasion I've also seen a contrail from a plane travelling between Hobart and Brisbane via Canberra. smile
Posted by: samboz

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/01/2015 11:00


Flightradar24 is very interesting asf, I like to show our young grandsons the contrails of Melb/NZ flights, then show them the plane online.

Explain it's at 39,000ft, speed 900kph, where it's going etc

Kids soak that sort of thing up and relating visual reality to screen info.is a good lesson I think.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/01/2015 11:17

i love that site as well. great to know if your plane is running on time before it arrives for turnaround, which specific aircraft you are on. handy when i am flying qantas to see if its been upgraded to seat back entertainmen or not!! lol.

but my 4yo is a a big plane nerd like myself and will sit there for an hour clicking on planes around the world looking at the pictures. he loves it.
Posted by: Hells kitchen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/01/2015 19:33

I'm addicted to Flightradar24. I've got planes from NZ and Tassie flying directly overhead to/from Tullamarine and I've always wondered how high they are etc and wished there was a way to find out. One thing I like to do is see how long I can track the plane visually before I lose sight of it then check how far away it is. One night I was tracking an ANZ flight from Perth to Auckland before I lost sight of its strobes in binoculars. From memory it was out over the sea beyond Sale.
Posted by: samboz

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/01/2015 21:01

Re distance, looking at them at times you'd swear they were maybe a KM or two from being directly overhead, when FR24 shows them as ten km or more it's quite surprising.

Melb. to beyond Sale, that's impressive hk.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 20/01/2015 23:23

Originally Posted By: Nerd65
Until the black boxes are found and the data analysed any theory as to what caused the crash is pure speculation and barely warrants any attention.


Always interesting to speculate Nerd otherwise we wouldn't have the media would we just... wink
Posted by: noclouds

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 21/01/2015 01:25

Video: UK pilots landing a turboprop in Leeds despite strong wind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suN9FRk92tE

They are used to it, still passenger get some goose bumps
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 22/01/2015 15:17

Yes Flightradar24.com is great! Unfortunately I'm having to upgrade my free version of the app on my smartphone, and until I can sort out the issue of storage space and installation back in Melbourne, I'm forced to rely on either a computer with Internet or else FlightAware (thankfully a free, but recently upgraded version of the smartphone app that allows you to also track flights). Frustrating, but at least I have a temporary solution! smile
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/01/2015 21:47

The past couple of hours here in Corryong have been abnormally busy in terms of aviation! The Melbourne-Sydney flight path is normally loaded up with aircraft travelling in both directions between the two cities (and places in the same general directions like Johannesburg, Albury/Wodonga, Canberra, Newcastle, Noumea, Port Villa, Nadi, Honolulu, Los Angeles, and San Francisco). But according to Flightradar24.com and FlightAware, planes travelling to Melbourne from Brisbane and the Gold Coast have been flying overhead... very unusual! poke

The mean Melbourne-Brisbane flight path is much further west/northwest, well away from Corryong and the Upper Murray.

Maybe it's because the main Melbourne-Brisbane flight path is overloaded with planes carrying people returning from summer holidays and the Australia Day long weekend? Or perhaps the weather, including the showers and storms from the Taree/Port Macquarie/Tamworth/Gunnedah region of NSW north into Queensland, is affecting air traffic? Either way, it's quite extraordinary as far as I'm concerned! poke smile

I forgot to mention that I've also tracked planes travelling between between Canberra, and Adelaide and Perth, in the Upper Murray/Snowy Mountains region of Northeast Victoria/Southeast NSW, but very rarely have I actually seen them in person while in Corryong. poke
Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 01/02/2015 12:46

Came across something a bit different on Flightradar24 this morning. Here's the link telling all about it: http://www.google.com/loon/

Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 15:37

Amazing breaking news footage of a plain crash in Taiwan.

http://rt.com/news/229099-taiwan-plane-crash-landing-river/
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 18:56

Oh dear. It wasn't plain at all. Excuse the typo.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 19:12

Video of that incident. Amazingly they have pulled 28 survivors off the plane according to reports.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-04/taiwan-plane-crashes-in-taipei-river-people-killed/6069950
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 20:10

That is pure insanity and a credit to the structure of modern aircraft that there were survivors
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 20:16

Notice it clipped the van.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 21:14

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Oh dear. It wasn't plain at all. Excuse the typo.


auto correct gets us all at some stage. Amazing footage. Poor people In the plane and van.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 04/02/2015 22:34

another great capture on a dash cam....pity it was a plane crash though, aviation could do without any more of these. Looks to have stalled and then banked towards the side that ran out of lift first. I'd say the passengers are lucky it fell towards the river
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/02/2015 10:49

Looking forward to my Monday morning flight from Melbourne to Darwin! smile

Don't like the part about getting up at a ridiculously early hour beforehand, but at least I'm travelling interstate and not overseas (I have enough trouble with sleep when going to Fiji). smile

Still, it's a HUGE distance, going to be longer than the combined amount of time I spent in the air travelling to Cairns over 1.5 years' ago! I am still baffled by the sheer north-south length of the East Coast, especially in Queensland! =S

Now I must travel across the Outback to the Top End of the Northern Territory!

But I'm looking forward to it, especially to living my dream of Darwin in the Wet Season. wink
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 01:28

The other day I was on a virgin (aircraft that is)....and we were stuck on the taxiway waiting to go to the runway for take off.
Well as it turns out we were 5th in line after a late loading so we had to stay put for 20 mins before going onto the runway .

The hotess came around and told everyone to open up their air vents because it was getting a bit stuffy and warm inside the aircraft as it was about 33 deg outside .
Usually I always turn my vent away from me as I think all that circulating air has a lot of viruses etc in it and have been sick after flights..mainly international ones though.
Anyway I opened my vent right up and from the side of the vent in another opening I was hit on the shoulder by about 7 peices of ice about the size of a 5 cent coin.I reckon it must have collected on the inside of the vent tubing and released when I opened up the vent .
I wasn't that concerned about it but did mention it to a hostess and she said yes shes seen it happen before when not many vents opened and it was caused by icing up from the inside.

Anyone else had that kind of thing happen on a virgin....or any plane for that matter... blush


Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 01:53

Originally Posted By: desieboy
The other day I was on a virgin (aircraft that is)....and we were stuck on the taxiway waiting to go to the runway for take off.
Well as it turns out we were 5th in line after a late loading so we had to stay put for 20 mins before going onto the runway .

The hotess came around and told everyone to open up their air vents because it was getting a bit stuffy and warm inside the aircraft as it was about 33 deg outside .
Usually I always turn my vent away from me as I think all that circulating air has a lot of viruses etc in it and have been sick after flights..mainly international ones though.
Anyway I opened my vent right up and from the side of the vent in another opening I was hit on the shoulder by about 7 peices of ice about the size of a 5 cent coin.I reckon it must have collected on the inside of the vent tubing and released when I opened up the vent .
I wasn't that concerned about it but did mention it to a hostess and she said yes shes seen it happen before when not many vents opened and it was caused by icing up from the inside.

Anyone else had that kind of thing happen on a virgin....or any plane for that matter... blush




Sounds like a cold aircon to me... pretty normalish to me, although mold mat be an issue. I see condensed air coming out of the aircon system on some flights, I could understand that Ice could be in the system. The air generally isn't really chilled because at 30000ft it is -80 outside, which I believe is a reason that the air is so dry in the cabin.

Originally Posted By: desieboy
The other day I was on a virgin (aircraft that is)
heh heh
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 07:06

Icing out the vents has been common place on different types of aircraft I have flown.. as well as busses & cars I have travelled in. You know the air-con is working well!
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 12:38



Yes agree it may be a common thing but what if the ice hit me or a young child in the eye and caused some grief ?

At 30000ft its -80deg wouldn't have thought it was that low ...

I used to skydive and the temp at 11000 was only around 0 to -5C.

Must really start getting cold above 11000 then.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 19:33

Flew on the retro roo to brisbane today. Newer 737s so much quiter. Lovely to fly on.
Posted by: Dawoodman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2015 22:49

Maybe more like -40 but still...really cold grin at 30000ft above melbourne today it was around the -40C mark

The atmosphere cools until about 45000ft and then it heats up again
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2015 19:29

A few shots from Day 1 of the trade days at the Avalon International Air Show...



Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2015 22:12

A few more...


F-22 Raptor
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr


Avalon 2015
by Orebound Images, on Flickr
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/02/2015 23:48


Brilliant pics Orebound ...some very nice planes on display there .

Hows your ear drums going though mate? shocked
Posted by: ozone doug

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/02/2015 09:10

I agree Brilliant photos Orebound .Wish i was there ,Would have been a great day .Looks like a few drums of fuel there lol.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/02/2015 23:59

had USAF C5 Galaxy arrive in Townsville last night. still here today. my car is broken down and I haven't been able to get a shot, damn big beast that it is!
Posted by: Orebound

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 28/02/2015 03:22

A bit more stuff HERE from the Avalon Air Show.

Will upload some more when time permits wink

Here's a bit of a snip of the Frenchie's A-400 doing the bolt out of the country on the last of the main trade days.

Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/03/2015 13:22


This would be freaky stuff . shocked ....done quite a few jumps myself ..we had no jumpmaster to help us if it all went wrong ...

skydiver survives with help
Posted by: ozone doug

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/03/2015 20:24

Looks like something wasn't said in the medical exam. Lucky outcome for sure.And that he recovered on his own before landing .
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/03/2015 20:26

was on the news tonight and he passed a medical exam ok and hadnt had a seisure for a 4 years. he did say his skydiving days are now over!
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2015 14:57

An historic day for the first Qantas 747-400 today making its final landing.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/tra...q-1227253502844

In case the CM link doesn't work.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-08/qantas-jumbo-arrives-at-wollongong/6288748

Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2015 15:15

Shame to see record breaker heading to retirement. But great to see qantas treating her with respect and off to museum.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2015 15:38

Yeah it is.

It's a year today since MH370 went missing. How time flies.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2015 21:11

Hey guys! Just wanted to share my aviation experiences during my recent trip to Darwin. smile

The story is based on all my photos being matched with data from Flightradar24.com, FlightAware, and the Weather Chaser radar archives, as well as Google Maps.

Note that all times are given in this format ___ / ___ / ___ to represent Melbourne/Canberra/Sydney/Hobart time (for Victoria and NSW/ACT), Adelaide time (for South Australia), and finally Darwin time (for the Northern Territory).

I left for the Top End on the morning of February 9th 2015 aboard Qantas Flight 838. The flight departed Melbourne Airport (Tullamarine) at 9:46am / 9:16am / 8:16am, and landed at Darwin International Airport at 1:41pm / 1:11pm / 12:11pm. Total flying time was 3 hours and 55 minutes, with over 3200km covered between Melbourne and Darwin, and the mean flying altitude being around 36,000 feet.

At 9:48am / 9:18am / 8:18am, 1 minute after departure, the flight left the Melbourne metropolitan area (over Caroline Springs) and turned northwest towards Darwin.

At 9:52am / 9:22am / 8:22am, the flight crossed the Central Highlands/Macedon Ranges section of the Great Dividing Range (Gisborne/Mount Macedon/Woodend/Kyneton area) into Northern Victoria. Three minutes later, I flew almost right over Castlemaine, and another three minutes later I flew past the western side of Bendigo. smile

From this point onwards, the topography quickly changed from being hilly/mountainous to pancake-flat! poke

Shortly after 10:00am / 9:30am / 8:30am, the Murray River came into view. At 10:07am / 9:37am / 8:37am, I was already at the latitude of Kerang; three minutes afterwards I was due west of Swan Hill.

At 10:16am / 9:46am / 8:46am, I crossed the Murray River (roughly 10km southeast of Robinvale) from Victoria into New South Wales. The land was becoming increasingly devoid of human population centres. poke

At 10:20am / 9:50am / 8:50am, I was flying due east of Mildura; four minutes later I was already across the Darling River (northeast of Wentworth). Another fifteen minutes later I was already flying directly above Broken Hill. From here onwards, I started having my first-ever taste with the remoteness and emptiness of the Australian Outback. I will admit I began feeling 'cut-off' from the major population centres of Eastern and Southeast Australia (including Melbourne, Albury/Wodonga, Corryong, Merimbula, Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, Cairns, Hobart, and Adelaide), as well as from faraway Fiji which I often visit! =S

By 10:45am / 10:15am / 9:15am, almost an hour after leaving Melbourne, I had crossed over the Border from NSW into South Australia. Roughly 10-15 minutes, I was over the Lake Frome Regional Reserve/Strzelecki Regional Reserve area (including Lake Callabonna, and Arkaroola Village), and northern reaches of the Flinders Ranges. It was around this time that I also had views into Northwest NSW and Southwest Queensland. At 11:13am / 10:43am / 9:43am, I was across the Cooper Creek.

At about 11:20am / 10:50am / 9:50am, I was at the longitude of Adelaide and Gulf St. Vincent. Up until this point, I had never travelled any further west than this line! smile

By around 11:30am / 11:00am / 10:00am, I was over the Simpson Desert, and at 11:34am / 11:04am / 10:04am, I had finally crossed the South Australian Border into the Northern Territory, barely 30km west of the Queensland Border! grin

At approximately 11:55am / 11:25am / 10:25am, I was due east of Alice Springs, and approximately three minutes afterwards, I was over the Tropic of Capricorn. Up until around this time, the weather had been mostly clear skies, with the exception of scattered fair-weather cumulus (especially in Victoria and NSW) as a result of the subtropical high pressure system. But now the first visual signs that I was finally approaching the monsoonal weather of Australia's tropical north came into view, as a mass of high cirrus across the northern horizon! smile

At about 12:30pm / 12:00pm / 11:00am, I was over the Tennant Creek area, and about to run parallel with the Stuart Highway (Adelaide-Darwin). It was around this time that the flight finally reached and flew into the mass of cirrus cloud that I mentioned in the above paragraph. The flight was a little bumpy at times but the turbulence was nothing to worry about. smile

By around 12:45pm / 12:15pm / 11:15am, I was flying at the latitude of Fiji (including Suva, Nadi, Lautoka, Sigatoka, Pacific Harbour, Navua, Nausori, Korovou, and Rakiraki); less than 10 minutes later, I was roughly due west of Cairns, Far North Queensland, and by 1:00pm / 12:30pm / 11:30am, I was past the latitude of the Daintree Discovery Centre. Up until this point, apart from when I travelled to the USA roughly 30 years' ago, this was most northerly latitude in Australia and the South Pacific region that I had travelled to! grin

Around this time I finally began entering Australia’s Top End, and 12:48pm / 12:18pm / 11:18am, while I was just over the small town of Elliot, the first tropical cumulus congestus towers could be seen rising above the escarpment to the north/northeast. High-level cloud (as well as low-level cumulus) began increasing significantly, and there was also a bit of mid-level cloud from this point onwards. As for the escarpment below, it began changing from Outback to tropical savannah.

At 1:13pm / 12:13pm / 11:43am, I was flying right past Katherine. Looking east/northeast (through gaps in the cirrus layer), a large, dark cluster of cumulus congestus and cumulonimbus could be made out over the eastern part of Arnhem Land. According to the Weather Chaser radar archives, the Darwin, Katherine, Warruwi, and Gove radars at this point all showed that showers and thunderstorms were indeed developing over that area, just inland from the Gulf of Carpentaria coastline, and they were marching westwards. Shower and thunderstorm activity increased across the Top End throughout the afternoon and into the evening.

Four minutes later, whilst over Nitmiluk (just southwest of Kakadu National Park), the flight began its descent into Darwin. Another seven minutes later, I was roughly due east of the Adelaide River township and the Litchfield National Park, and another three minutes later I crossed the Adelaide River itself.

At 1:32pm / 12:32pm / 12:02pm, I was roughly due south of Palmerston, heading in a northwesterly direction. Two minutes later I was due south of the Darwin CBD (having just entered the Darwin Harbour). Another two minutes later I was over Mandorah and Wagait Beach, and began my turn into Darwin International Park, where I landed 5 minutes later.

Around this time I noted possible showers and thunderstorms offshore to the west, with Hector starting to form over the Tiwi Islands to the north. smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/03/2015 22:29

Hearing early reports that a plane has gone down in the French Alps with over 100 people on board.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 24/03/2015 22:33

Ahhh that's terrible news.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2015 08:26

148 dead, 2 aussies
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2015 14:18

Not much left of the plane. It appears it disintegrated after slamming into a rock face on a mountain. At least it would have been quick.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2015 15:40

No may day. Nothing.

Must have been sudden catastrophic structural failure in the air?
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2015 16:09

reports this morning that the aircraft dropped 8000 feet in 8 minutes and changed course slightly. that was early reports though.

could be terrorism or the like too with no communications. another mystery.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2015 23:38

Hard to know what happened. Seems a few experts think sudden loss of cabin pressure, pilots may have set to steady steep decline and oxygen masks possibly didn't work. Pilots blacked out and plane continued straight down to crash. Sounds a bit far fetched. A little bizarre. Hope it all comes out as to what happened. Never good to have a crash but good to find out why it occurred.
Posted by: petethemoskeet

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2015 10:00

Originally Posted By: Mick10
reports this morning that the aircraft dropped 8000 feet in 8 minutes and changed course slightly. that was early reports though.

could be terrorism or the like too with no communications. another mystery.
It's funny you say that because the other day I was looking at the Smart Traveler website.This mentioned that Germany had a heightened awareness of terrorist activity.Probably can't read much into it but the timing couldn't be worse.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2015 11:46

Apparently the pilot left the cockpit and when he tried to get back in got no answers to his knocks. Interesting bit of info although it doesn't really give any idea of what happened. Might suggest the co pilot suffered a medical condition but could be anything really. Not surprisingly social media is going crazy with all the experts tat definitely have the answer.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2015 12:23

Doesn't sound good. Suicide? Even if the pilot suffered a medical condition the plane would have continued on to next set co ord not taken a deep dive which had to be set by a human into the flight controls.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2015 12:24

Yeah. Suicide crossed my mind but I would hate to think someone could do that.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 26/03/2015 12:38

It would not have been a nice scene on board with the second pilot trying to smash the cabin door in during a steep descent. I feel for the people on board in what they must have been through in the minutes leading up to impact. Will have to wait until things are verified though.

All this is from someone who leaked info so who knows if its even true. No wonder the officials are withholding any further info.
Posted by: Popeye

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 00:18

MMMMM well that's pure sickening. Co Pilot crashed deliberately.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 07:56

Sounds like it now. I just hope they refer to it as murder and not suicide.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 08:19

whats the difference?

what sick creature would do that to so many people. This worlds [censored].
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 08:40

Just plain sickening. Authorities say the recordings show the can only hear the screams of passengers in the last few seconds. Well a pilot locked out and an 8 minute decent but sorry to think it, they knew they were in trouble for a while i think.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 10:43

Always AFTER the event.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/03/27...on-cockpit-rule
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 12:41

I am not sure this sort of thing can be prevented. If a pilot is set on committing an act like this they will find a way. But i suppose something has to be tried.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 27/03/2015 15:43

One other possibility has occurred to me. Coercion. Probably on the lower side of likely but it would have to be something that could be considered.
Posted by: Cloudz

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/03/2015 02:00

Apparently he told his ex "the world will know my name ...".He's had 'problems' for a long time. What a terrible, terrible tragedy.
Posted by: desieboy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/03/2015 13:54


I can understand people being depressed but find it hard to comprehend how that can manifest itself to mass murder...
Posted by: Dale Small

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/03/2015 17:56

A few nights ago I saw people walking the the wing.. scares the [censored] out of me when i do see it but I cannot control my dreamscape.

Good to see the Air Canada flight come through a hard landing in Halifax, Nova Scotia the other night.. broken bird (A320) but they all walked the wing.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/04/2015 12:23

I can add a little bit more to my "flight tracking" encounters here in Corryong, Northeast Victoria lol! wink

In the past couple of days, while in town, I tracked (using my FlightAware smartphone app) flights passing overhead or within sight of the town travelling not just between Melbourne (both Tullamarine and Avalon) and Sydney (and the usual other places like Johannesburg, Albury/Wodonga, Canberra, Newcastle, Noumea, Port Vila, Nadi, Honolulu, and Los Angeles) but also from Coffs Harbour to Melbourne! smile

Kinda random, as the flights from Melbourne to Coffs Harbour seem to take the main Melbourne-Brisbane flight path to the further west/northwest. Whereas those returning from Coffs Harbour to Melbourne travel south to Sydney beforehand, and then continue on using the Melbourne-Sydney flight path (including Canberra and Corryong). Can't tell if most flights from Coffs Harbour to Melbourne use this flight path, these are just the couple I've tracked over the past couple of days.

Also sighted what might've been a plane travelling from Canberra to either Adelaide or Perth. smile
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/06/2015 15:51

Based on the information I checked on FlightAware, it seems that yes the majority of Coffs Harbour-Melbourne flights do utilise the Melbourne-Sydney flight path (including Sydney, Canberra, and Corryong). Those travelling Melbourne-Coffs Harbour use the Melbourne-Brisbane flight path, before deviating off it somewhere around Mudgee. smile

Now to some of my other "flight tracking" encounters over the past 6 months... smile

While I was in Darwin, Northern Territory during February, even though I was based in the Anula/Marrara area I didn't see (or even hear) too much air traffic from nearby Darwin International Airport! poke

What few planes I saw were travelling between Darwin and the following other locations, based on my tracking activities using FlightAware while in the Top End:

1. Melbourne
2. Cairns
3. Melville Island
4. Dili in East Timor

I also sighted planes flying overhead between Auckland, Melbourne, Adelaide, Gold Coast, Singapore, Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam, Hong Kong, Macau, and Guangzhou in China.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/06/2015 17:15

Thought I'd also quickly share my experiences during my return flight from Darwin to Melbourne on February 20th 2015: smile

As with the Melbourne-Darwin flight on February 9th 2015, the story is based on all my photos being matched with data from Flightradar24.com, FlightAware, and the Weather Chaser radar archives, as well as Google Maps.

Note that all times are given in this format ___ / ___ / ___ to represent Melbourne/Canberra/Sydney/Hobart time (for Victoria and NSW/ACT), Adelaide time (for South Australia), and finally Darwin time (for the Northern Territory).

My fiancée (having arrived in Darwin from Fiji via Brisbane a few days before I arrived from Melbourne to join her) and I departed Darwin International Airport aboard Virgin Australia Flight VOZ1464 at 8:22pm / 7:52pm / 6:52pm, and arrived at Melbourne Airport at 12:08am (February 21st) / 11:38pm / 10:38pm. The flight took approximately 3 hours and 46 minutes, covered about 3600km, travelled at about 455 knots (or about 843km/h), and flew at a peak altitude of 37,000 feet.

The flight departed Darwin and the Top End under mostly cloudy conditions (courtesy of the remnants of Category 4 Severe Tropical Cyclone Lam, having made landfall the morning before), meaning that the last day of my 10-day trip to Darwin was the most miserable and coolest in terms of weather (not to mention turbulence and little chance to see much on the ground below, especially considering night fell as the flight progressed). The rest of the trip to Darwin was in classic Northern Australian Wet Season fashion: scorching heat, unbelievable humidity, punishing sunshine, and of course squally winds, torrential downpours and spectacular thunderstorms! The weather reached an epic climax in the days leading up to Lam coming ashore, when heat index readings soared well above 40°C and I witnessed some of the biggest, most violent thunderstorms I've ever seen, including non-stop strobe lightning and CG-fests!!! grin

Anyway, the flight exited Darwin into Beagle Gulf about 1-2 minutes after take-off, curving south and then southeast towards Melbourne while north of Mandorah and Wagait Beach about another 1-2 minutes later.

Darkness began descending after 9:00pm / 8:30pm / 7:30pm, by which time we were out of the Top End region. Gaps in the clouds made it possible to see the tail-end of the sunset over Eastern WA for some time afterwards.

Around 10:00pm / 9:30pm / 8:30pm, we caught sight of Alice Springs. At my best estimate, around 15 minutes later (approximately 10:15pm / 9:45pm / 8:15pm), we exited the Northern Territory into South Australia, with the flight then continuing over the Simpson Desert and the southwest corner of Lake Eyre (officially known as Kati-Thanda Lake Eyre National Park).

At 11:20pm / 10:50pm / 9:50pm, we entered Southwest New South Wales, and about 11:36pm / 11:06pm / 10:06pm we flew back into Victoria (just over Robinvale). For about another 15 minutes, we flew more or less parallel with the Murray River over Swan Hill and Kerang before exiting the Murray Valley west of Echuca/Moama. Once near Heathcote, near Bendigo (near midnight Melbourne time), the flight flew south to Melbourne, landing at Tullamarine around 10 minutes later. smile
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/06/2015 19:15

More recently, I flew from Melbourne to Sydney (my fourth visit to the NSW Capital btw) for an engagement party around the beginning of this month. I forgot to mention in the NSW/ACT thread during my visit that I was again with my fiancée the whole time; she flew into Australia from Fiji a few days before I joined her, much the same as when we met up together in Darwin last summer! Both she and I spent about the whole trip (about a week) with friends based 0in the Lidcombe/Homebush/Parramatta area of Western Sydney. smile

On June 3rd 2015, I board Jetstar Flight 514 at Melbourne Airport. According to FlightAware, the flight departed Tullamarine at 3:43pm and landed at Sydney International Airport (Kingsford-Smith) at 4:46pm, having lasted 1 hour and 3 minutes, travelling at 447 knots (approximately 828km/h) over a distance of 755km, reaching a mean cruising altitude of 37,000 feet.

Much like my trip to Adelaide in October 2013 (road tripping there and flying back), this trip to Sydney was a case of using two totally different methods of transportation to get to my destination and back home. On June 9th 2015, at the end of my trip (for the convenience of my family who spent the Queen's Birthday long weekend in Corryong, Northeast Victoria), I caught the XPT CountryLink Train to Melbourne, boarding from Sydney's Central Station around 7:30am (having departed Western Sydney around 5:30am) and disembarking at Albury/Wodonga around 3pm, before road tripping the rest of the way home via the M31 Hume Freeway to Benalla, then south through Lake Nillahcootie, Lake Eildon, Yea, and the Yarra Valley; my fiancée flew back to Fiji that same day.

The return trip to Melbourne was long, tiring, and cold and wet... but scenic! Boy New South Wales/Australian Capital Territory offers some very beautiful countryside!! And the services provided by XPT CountryLink were great IMO, much like V/Line! grin

Anyway, going back to the Melbourne-Sydney flight on June 3rd 2015...

Much like the Melbourne-Brisbane leg of my family holiday trip to Cairns, Far North Queensland in July 2013 (when I was treated to a stunning sunrise over Central NSW, including Cowra and Orange), my seating position on the flight to Sydney as well as the weather conditions and the timing of the flight were totally in my favour when it came to aerial photography! According to information obtained from Australian Weather News, a large high pressure area was anchored over Eastern Australia, with cloud to the north of the Melbourne-Sydney flight path due to the jet stream and possibly an upper-level disturbance of New South Wales and Queensland, as well as along the Victoria and NSW Coastlines due to southerly winds. In between, there was mostly clear skies. smile

Nearly 10 minutes after departure (at 3:50pm), the flight crossed the Great Dividing Range (over Mount Disappointment south of Seymour), with skies going from mostly cloudy to mostly clear, as stated above! smile

Around 3:55-4:00pm (from about Yea through Yarck, Merton, Bonnie Doon, Lake Nillahcootie, Tatong, Greta, and Moyhu south of Wangaratta), I was provided with views over Lake Eildon, Mount Buller, Mount Bogong, Mount Hotham/Dinner Plain, and Falls Creek, and the King and Ovens River Valleys. There wasn't a great deal of snow about the Victorian High Country, and virtually none about the Buffalo Plateau. frown

Around 4:00pm, the NSW Snowy Mountains (including Mount Kosciuszko) came into view, and they appeared to be fairing better in terms of snow cover! At about 4:05pm, while over Lake Hume (near Albury/Wodonga), I caught sight of the township of Corryong and the surrounding Upper Murray! grin

At 4:08pm, I crossed the Murray River from Victoria into New South Wales. Around this time I was able to see Lake Eucumbene off in the distance (I attempted to find Merimbula on the NSW South Coast, but to no avail lol, it was too far away). Around 5 minutes later I was over Blowering Reservoir with views over Tumut 3 Power Station at Talbingo.

Canberra (including the Brindabella Ranges, Murrumbidgee River, Tidbinbilla, Black Mountain/Telstra Tower, Lake Burley Griffin, and of course Parliament House) came into view at 4:15pm, as did a large burn-off which, according to Google Maps, was located in the Kowen Pine Forest area in the far east of the ACT, with smoke drifting for many miles from this blaze towards the NSW South Coast. poke

At 4:20pm I was past Murrumbateman (near Yass), almost due north of the Capital. At about this point, the flight finally began its decent into Sydney. Two minutes later I was past Gunning, and another three minutes later I was just north of Goulburn, with views over the Southern Highlands towards the Morton National Park, Kangaroo Valley, and the Illawarra (including Wollongong and Nowra) and the Tasman Sea/South Pacific Ocean beyond. Extensive amounts of convective cloud with showers were present offshore. smile

Shortly after 4:30pm I entered the southwest corner of the Sydney Basin, not far southwest of Picton. At about 4:35pm, I entered the Sydney metropolitan area around Campbelltown. Around three minutes later, near Liverpool and Bankstown, the flight curved from northeast to north before recurving around Parramatta towards the east at 4:40pm. At this point I was provided with fantastic views of the Sydney CBD, Opera House, and Harbour Bridge. The plane also flew through a stray cumulus that had blown ashore from the Tasman Sea, providing no more than a couple of seconds of slight turbulence haha! smile

About a minute later, over the Northern Sydney suburb of Cheltenham, near Macquarie Park and Wahroonga, the plane curved southeast. Two minutes later, near Ryde, the plane curved south as it made it's final approached into Sydney International Aiport. It was at this point that I had stunning views of the setting sun over the NSW Blue Mountains and Greater Western Sydney, thanks to the timing of the flight as well as the high cloud I mentioned earlier! The sunset also included a contrail from a plane heading off towards somewhere like Adelaide or Perth I believe. smile

By 4:46pm, I was finally at Kingsford-Smith, with the sunset fading into darkness soon after 5pm. I joined my fiancée soon after, and a couple of hours later I was with my friends in Western Sydney. smile
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/06/2015 23:01

While I was in Sydney, I tracked flights that came into view wherever I was. Given that Sydney International Airport (Kingsford-Smith) is without a doubt Australia's busiest international airport, it was impossible to keep tabs on all the ones I saw, especially while atop the Sydney Tower with my fiancée on the last day before we returned to our homes. poke

The flights I managed to track on FlightAware (and in most cases photograph as I had a camera on hand) were between Sydney and the following other locations:

Domestic (Regional NSW)
1. Albury/Wodonga
2. Bathurst
3. Coffs Harbour
4. Dubbo
5. Moree
6. Orange
7. Port Macquarie
8. Wagga Wagga

Domestic (Interstate)
1. Adelaide
2. Alice Springs
3. Brisbane
4. Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport, near Toowoomba
5. Cairns
6. Gold Coast
7. Hervey Bay
8. Melbourne
9. Perth
10. Townsville
11. Uluru/Ayers Rock

International:
1. Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport, Taipei, Taiwan
2. Singapore Changi Airport, Singapore
3. Dubai, United Arab Emirates
4. Los Angeles, California, USA
5. Comodoro Arturo Merino Benítez International Airport, Santiago, Chile
6. Hong Kong
7. Soekarno–Hatta International Airport, Jakarta, Indonesia
8. Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport, Guangzhou, Guangdong province, China
9. Bangkok International (Suvarnabhumi) Airport, Bangkok, Thailand
10. Shanghai Pudong International Airport, Shanghai, China

I also sighted planes travelling above Sydney en route from Brisbane to Canberra and Hobart. I also caught sight of few planes travelling from Auckland in New Zealand to Perth and to Singapore, and from Melbourne to Nadi in Fiji! smile

In addition, on one occasion (due to excellent weather conditions), I was able to look west past the NSW Blue Mountains to the Melbourne-Brisbane and possibly the Hobart/Canberra-Brisbane flight paths (including planes travelling to and from the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast). smile

During the train trip to Albury/Wodonga (en route from Sydney to Melbourne), I continued tracking flights, mainly along the Melbourne-Sydney and Melbourne-Brisbane flight paths. This wasn't easy, given the weather conditions (a cold front was passing through, bringing a change from sunshine all the way to Gunning, ten to overcast and showery until Junee, and back again), and often I had limited Internet and mobile phone network coverage, and eventually my mobile phone batteries died! poke
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/07/2015 07:35

Apparently debris has been found from a large passenger jet washed up on the east coast of Africa. They are saying it's too soon to say whether or not it is from MH370.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/07/2015 07:40

Interesting. Washed up on reunion island and apparently made of the right material to be a 777. Not as much growth as i would have expected but still has a decent whack of mussels on it.
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/07/2015 16:02

yeah I hope they have enough of it to identify which aircraft it belonged to. expert on tv this morning said every piece can be tracked down with a serial number, just hope its identifiable.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/07/2015 17:14

Malaysian authorities are saying it is almost certainly off a 777 .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-30/al...alaysia/6660846
Posted by: Kazz63

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/07/2015 20:06

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Malaysian authorities are saying it is almost certainly off a 777 .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-30/al...alaysia/6660846
I also read somewhere about an hour ago that the USA people investigating had gone so far as to confirm by pictures & videos that it definitely was from the aircraft. Trust the yanks to try & beat the 'hands on' investigators to the punch!
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 13:16

Jetgo today announced further expansions in Queensland. The airline recently announced new routes through regional Se Queensland, northern NSW, Sydney and Brisbane will now also fly between Townsville, Rockampton and the Gold Coast. Jetgo has been operating charter services out of Townsville to mining communities for some time. knew they would expand a commercial route soon. Virgin recently dumped its Townsville/Rockhampton route and dumped its Townsville/Gold Coast route a few years back.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 22:22

Part number confirmed it matches a Boeing 777

Little doubt now i think.

Finally hopefully 100% evidence that the plane is at the bottom of the indian ocean.

Just for the haters haha
Posted by: Eevo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 22:30

still need to find the main part of the plane
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 23:02

if it hit the ocean at 700+km/h there probably isn't a main part of the fuselage left. great news that some debris has been found though. least they know they are looking in the right places.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 23:34

Im surprised there is that much of the flaps intact to be honest.

Although we will never know how fast it actually hit the water.

Greatest aviation mystery of the century.
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/07/2015 23:43

Although it was more likely a planned ditching or slow glide from fuel exhaustion so the fact that a whole flap is still intact may tell a lot about the impact.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/08/2015 19:10

Early uncomfirmed reports of a door off a plane washing up now. How many plane wings could there be out there You'd think the odds are that this is the plane they are looking for.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/mh370...g-1227466871662
Posted by: Dawgggg

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/08/2015 19:34

Surely CF....

See the news reports about the garbage collector on the beach finding suitcases and a seat, and he burned it all as he usually did.

Hopefully it wasnt belongings to the passengers but theres obviously nothing you can do.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/08/2015 20:43

Ok. While the chances are this is all legit i must say the sudden finding of several bits of wreckage is sure to add fuel to the conspiracy theory fire. Considering most wreckage would have gone to the bottom and the fact that given such a long journey the stuff that did float would be rather widespread it seems like the odds would be against bits being found in such proximity both in distance and time.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 02/08/2015 20:51

Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
Surely CF....

See the news reports about the garbage collector on the beach finding suitcases and a seat, and he burned it all as he usually did.

Hopefully it wasnt belongings to the passengers but theres obviously nothing you can do.


Yeah he said he made no connection to the plane and that's fair enough too. It was just rubbish on a beach to the guy. They wouldn't get the media coverage and saturation of the event that we did.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/08/2015 07:26

The apparent 'door'was no such thing( pretty sad considering it was portrayed as a definite door), and is actually most likely a random bit of a ladder. As for the rubbish collector. We will probably never know.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/08/2015 09:15

Apparently the latest report may be bogus with people taking in shoes and all sorts of other items in the hope they'll get on the news. The local police are not amused.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/mh...802-gipyom.html
Posted by: Xavo

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/08/2015 11:28

Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
Ok. While the chances are this is all legit i must say the sudden finding of several bits of wreckage is sure to add fuel to the conspiracy theory fire. Considering most wreckage would have gone to the bottom and the fact that given such a long journey the stuff that did float would be rather widespread it seems like the odds would be against bits being found in such proximity both in distance and time.


I reckon the opposite is true.
You'd expect to find parts wash up at a similar time and a similar place, if they were all subjected to similar currents.
Particularly if modelling suggests that this is the location where parts should wash up...
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/08/2015 11:42

Originally Posted By: Xavo


You'd expect to find parts wash up at a similar time and a similar place, if they were all subjected to similar currents.
Particularly if modelling suggests that this is the location where parts should wash up...


That goes without saying. Particularly when experts have said the currents in the Indian Ocean and items that float may have passed near the island (as you've already clarified) several times already.
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/08/2015 16:14

Yes some may wash up but reunion is a tiny speck in a vast sea. They will be seperated by hundreds of miles a big whack of time and there wont be many left floating after 16 months. The chances of them landing close together in both distance and time is slim at best and next to impossible at worst. Not impossible but highly unlikely.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/08/2015 08:51

Well it's official. The wing piece is from MH370. A lucky find considering it's a tiny spec in an ocean.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/05/mh370-french-prosecutor-reunion-debris-missing-flight
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/08/2015 13:26

...or it hasn't depending on who you believe.
Posted by: BlueyZarsoff

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/08/2015 14:24

maybe the french are being extra cautious !!!
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/08/2015 17:06

I heard today that it was planted by the US gubberment. And it's definitely true. The interwebnet said so.
Posted by: logansi

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 16/08/2015 20:13

ATR42 missing in Papua, Indonesia - 54 on board
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 31/10/2015 19:54

Russian jet down in Egypt.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/31/russian-plane-crashes-in-sinai-egyptian-pm-says
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/11/2015 22:19

Stunning footage of a couple of people with jet packs flying alongside an A380 above Dubai.

http://www.livescience.com/52706-jetpack-zooms-near-jet.html
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/11/2015 12:47

Many on social media were saying the Emirates ad was faked..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFCQJ5sYGtI
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/11/2015 17:20

Reporting more on my aviation experiences...

I was up in Corryong, Northeast Victoria during the Melbourne Cup weekend.

A "normal" day over the Upper Murray is one full of planes travelling up-and-down the Melbourne-Sydney flight path.

Usually in a more-or-less straight line, but there's always a few that will deviate off this path en route to their destinations. Some of the Melbourne-bound flights will leave the main flight path over Corryong, turning south towards the Victorian High Country and Gippsland, before recurving west and later descending into Tullamarine (or Avalon, Essendon, Moorabbin, etc - or else continuing on towards places in that general direction such as Johannesburg).

Likewise, some Sydney-bound flights may curve north or northeast away from the mean flight path over the Lake Burrinjuck/Wee Jasper region to the Yass/Gunning/Crookwell area north of Canberra, and then recurve east/northeast and begin their descent into Kingsford-Smith (or Bankstown, or one of Sydney's other airports - or else onto other places that utilise that route, such as Newcastle, Nadi in Fiji, or Los Angeles).

Sunday November 1st was normal for the most part, until mid-afternoon. I was with my family in the scenic Nariel Valley. It was right underneath the Melbourne-Sydney flight path, but without Internet access I couldn't keep track of the flights - or the weather!

A cold front and low pressure trough were ripping across Victoria and New South Wales, slamming into tropical air pumped south from Queensland. Aided by highly unstable conditions and very strong wind sheer, heavy showers and violent thunderstorms erupted along and ahead of the trough, with reports of damaging/destructive winds (including possible tornadoes), along with large hail, heavy rainfall and flash flooding.

A few locally thundery showers popped up around the Upper Murray throughout the day, none severe, only dropping brief shots of heavy rain. The weather started deteriorating ahead of the main potentially tornadic storm front after 3:30pm, following an oppressively sultry afternoon with hot sunshine, blustery northerlies, and insane wind sheer overhead!

Before that, I noticed something very unusual in the skies above the Upper Murray at around 3pm. Planes travelling in both directions along the Melbourne-Sydney flight path were travelling south-to-north directly over the Nariel Valley, before recurving above Corryong northeast towards Canberra or Sydney, or north-to-south after flying in the usual southwesterly direction above Canberra and the NSW Snowy Mountains towards Melbourne). I didn't know it at the time but clearly this abnormal activity was a sign of what was heading our way!

Once out of the Nariel Valley on my way back to Corryong around 3:30pm, I regained Internet access and monitored this unusual flight behaviour - as well as the impending storm front. At this point cloud was rapidly increasing from the west, and it was getting very dark towards Albury/Wodonga, with convection exploding well ahead of the main storm, sparking off yet more locally heavy showers and violent thunderstorms (like spotfires from embers blown ahead of a bushfire). The main storm didn't strike the town until after 6:30pm, but the weather turned angry around 5pm, with fast-moving, potentially severe thunderstorms developing at random, unleashing dangerous lightning strikes and heavy rainfall.

But anyway, aside from the planes in the Melbourne-Sydney flight path scrambling to escape the oncoming storm front, I also noted aircraft travelling between Melbourne and Southeast Queensland (Brisbane, Gold Coast, and Sunshine Coast), something I've never noticed over the Upper Murray before! The usual Melbourne-Brisbane flight path lies around 130km to the west!

Many of the flights heading northbound from Melbourne were travelling over Gippsland and the Victorian High Country, then recurving north above Northeast Victoria, the Upper Murray, NSW Snowy Mountains, and Canberra, then northwards to the NSW Central Tablelands before northeastwards to their destinations in Southeast Queensland.

The Melbourne-bound flights, however, were for the most part travelling down to the Parkes/Dubbo area, then southwards towards Wagga Wagga, Albury/Wodonga, Northeast Victoria, the Victorian High Country, and Gippsland before onto Melbourne.

I also observed on plane flying directly overhead from Melbourne to Canberra around 4:30pm. While planes flying from Melbourne to the Capital are frequent over the Upper Murray and NSW Snowy Mountains, I rarely see them during their descent. They seldom fly within sight of Corryong (or even directly above town); usually they're further north behind Mount Mittamatite and over Tintaldra and Tooma.

A very interesting day weatherwise and aviation-wise! smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 17/11/2015 20:30

Not surprised at all to read this. It would not surprise me at all if it was retaliation for the shooting down of and then subsequent cover up of the Malysian Airlines flight. We live in a crazt world.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/ex...n-egypt/6949586
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/12/2015 14:01

Amazing landing. Nearly runs off the end of the runway.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/74730355/Planes-spectacular-landing-is-not-what-it-seems
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 06/12/2015 17:14

WOW Great landing. lol
Posted by: synopig

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/12/2015 20:55

Helicopter crash near Broome




Posted by: Pacman

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/12/2015 18:39

Anyone missing 3 Boeing 747's? Please contact Kuala Lumpur Airport.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel...g-747-jets.html
Posted by: Nerd65

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 09/12/2015 18:59

Quote:
Helicopter crash near Broome

That's a good one..
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/01/2016 09:55

Great vid . Her stomach is stronger than mine smile

She makes #aerobatics look effortless!

Posted by Willy Foo - Photographer, Marketer, Technopreneur on Saturday, August 8, 2015
Posted by: bbowen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 11/01/2016 17:32

The coordination and physical skill is impressive to watch. Even having the ability to have a chat while performing the stunts surely must take some stomach strength.
Posted by: aussiestormfreak

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/01/2016 09:28

Currently here at Merimbula on the NSW South Coast, it is quieter here "aviation-wise" than Corryong, Northeast Victoria. There's no shortage of aircraft though; I'm near the local airport and in addition to the traffic I am used to the sight and loud noise of planes (and occasionally helicopters) landing and taking off overhead! smile

Many of the planes are scenic flights, as well as REX (Regional Express) flights to and from Melbourne, Sydney, and Moruya. smile

At higher altitudes, I sometimes see planes travelling between Tasmania (Hobart and Launceston) and Sydney and Brisbane. smile

I've also noted planes travelling between Melbourne and New Zealand (usually Auckland), Nadi in Fiji, and Los Angeles on occasion. smile
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 15/09/2016 22:23

After 2.5 years they have finally confirmed some wreckage from MH370.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/mh...915-grhflv.html
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2016 09:41

Let's all stand near the burning jet and take photos.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/am...028-gsdk2p.html
Posted by: bbowen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2016 12:51

It just shows how far we have come, and by that I mean in terms of Stupidity. Deciding that it is more important to video your escape than save your life, and also the footage of some trying to get their bags out of the overhead. TSK.TSK.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2016 15:10

Originally Posted By: bbowen
It just shows how far we have come, and by that I mean in terms of Stupidity.


Makes you wonder doesn't it.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 29/10/2016 15:43

Must be the day for exploding planes.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2016/10/28/92911332/
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/12/2016 09:03

Amazing flyby footage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5GcHcOKkS4
Posted by: EddyG

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 18/12/2016 21:23

Originally Posted By: ColdFront


Yep, seen it before, but I never ever get sick of watching it!!!
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 19/12/2016 07:28

Yeah I've watched it a few times myself Eddy ,but like you say, it never gets old. Crazy stuff.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 30/01/2018 01:01

Nice work Qantas. No tax paid.

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/qantas-46-billion-zero-tax-neat-timing-caper/
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 03/02/2018 17:26

Virgins last Embraer E190, VH-ZPH flew its final revenue service between Newcastle and Brisbane today. Sad to see these gradually leaving our skies over last few years. Virgin had 18 of them in service at one point. Comfortable aircraft to fly in.
not all is lost, VH-ZPH is reported to be heading to GetGo for domestic routes.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/02/2018 23:17

Pretty cool I reckon.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-07/fi...n-china/9405072
Posted by: ozone doug

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2018 10:27

I agree pretty cool ,Just hope the fly better than some quads .Maybe better no pilot error. Guess we will see.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/02/2018 10:43

Originally Posted By: ozone doug
I agree pretty cool ,Just hope the fly better than some quads .Maybe better no pilot error. Guess we will see.


Probably quite a few years away anyway Doug but it's a start.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/03/2018 14:20

Are we going too far??

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/39397454/gender-inappropriate-words-qantas-has-banned-staff-from-using/
Posted by: Brett Guy

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 07/03/2018 21:13

We went too far long ago frown
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 00:09

this rubbish was put out by the "Diversity Council". Diversity is meant to show us both our similarities and our differences, from what i see todays world is too busy trying to show how similar we are whilst forgetting our differences. Gone are the good old days of customer service where you judged your customer by who they are, not what they are.
Posted by: Kino

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 07:42

The point these clowns miss is by demanding staff use gender-neutral terms, they’re actually discriminatiing against those who are happy to be identified by their biological sex.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 11:42

Most gay people I know "and have ever known" are happy to be called husband­ and wife. Regardless of gender. This certainly doesn't come through the gay community.
Posted by: Kino

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 11:45

Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Most gay people I know "and have ever known" are happy to be called husband­ and wife. Regardless of gender. This certainly doesn't come through the gay community.


Agree 1000%
Posted by: bundybear

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 12:16

Originally Posted By: Kino
The point these clowns miss is by demanding staff use gender-neutral terms, they’re actually discriminatiing against those who are happy to be identified by their biological sex.


And as a person who has been married for the last 27 years to the same person I would be rather p1ssed to find myself relegated to partner or spouse. I am proud of our marriage and always use the "MRS" box to tick.
Posted by: bbowen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 08/03/2018 19:48

This to me is just a symptom of a western societies need to feel 'guilty' for everything and anything. We are so caught up with trying to not make anyone feel out of place that we don't know where anyone stands.
Posted by: bbowen

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 25/03/2018 10:44

I'm sure everyone in this section would be aware, but thought I would mention the Qantas PER - London flight that is currently soaring through the skies.
Posted by: rain gauge

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 23/04/2018 14:31

Scary to think they use Teen chick filters.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/39914112/easyjet-pilot-on-snapchat-in-cockpit-at-30-000ft/
Posted by: Mick10

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2019 18:23

Thoughts on the B737 Max? Obviously waiting for flight data but a bit concerning that both recent incidents were not too long after take off.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2019 22:37

A couple of American pilots have reported the nose of their planes dipping when auto pilot was engaged. Exact same model.
Posted by: ColdFront

Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... - 13/03/2019 22:39

Have a read of this. It's down near the bottom of the article

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-1...planes/10898324