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#1502620 - 11/07/2019 12:26 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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#1502621 - 11/07/2019 12:36 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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"a widely-renowned fact that crop yields have increased drastically as a result of Co2 increase"

AA takes to the air again, man are you full of it. Cite one piece of evidence that "crop yields have increased drastically as a result of Co2 increase".

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#1502622 - 11/07/2019 12:37 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler
It is a widely-renowned fact that crop yields have increased drastically as a result of Co2 increase; thereby, flourishing the Earth's verdure and flora alike, as proven evident by NASA.

And yes, Knot—Brownies is certainly a more fitting term for the Watermelons than "Greenies" ever was. wink laugh



Of course the fact that Severe Weather due to Climate Change will disrupt crop yields is ignored by the deniers.

Not to mention the prolonged droughts and torrential rains to come...

Climate change is affecting crop yields and reducing global food supplies
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#1502623 - 11/07/2019 13:29 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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don't forget to add that children won't know what snow is. And glaciers will disappear by year dot dot dot. The climate alarmism bullshit is like the fear of the gods cults. Scare the masses into belief and keep them there thru fear.

@Eigarwand. I'm not implying a green/ fascist nexus. I am stating it as fact. If you bothered to research the German wandervogel back to nature youth movement , from which the German greens owes their parentage. They were akin to the hippie movement. A rejection of materialism and a romantacised view of living close to nature ( sound [censored] familiar. Go to Nimbin). The Nazis ultimately banned the WV movement. They had by then absorbed a lot idealogy and idealism from various Wandeevogel streams and had no further use for it.
Greens make no secret of the links with WV ideology
https://deepgreenresistance.net/en/resistance/culture/wandervogel-lebensreform-nazi-germany/

Not all Wandervogel were antisemitic kunts. There were Jewish groups, pinko groups etc. Kind of like an idealistic fountain from which a mass movement looking for control could draw inspiration
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#1502624 - 11/07/2019 13:40 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler
It is a widely-renowned fact that crop yields have increased drastically as a result of Co2 increase; thereby, flourishing the Earth's verdure and flora alike, as proven evident by NASA.

And yes, Knot—Brownies is certainly a more fitting term for the Watermelons than "Greenies" ever was. wink laugh



Really? Show some evidence to that effect. Think you’ll find it’s due to the enormous use of fertiliser, nothing to do with more CO2.

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#1502626 - 11/07/2019 13:51 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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#1502627 - 11/07/2019 13:59 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Of course the fact that Severe Weather due to Climate Change will disrupt crop yields is ignored by the deniers.

Not to mention the prolonged droughts and torrential rains to come...

Climate change is affecting crop yields and reducing global food supplies

Correct on your first point—the early, recent effects of the Grand Solar Minimum have certainly taken a toll on the crop yields of yesteryear.

Now, as for your red statement...that, folks, is contradiction at its finest! laugh crazy poke
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#1502628 - 11/07/2019 14:32 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler


Sigh, yes I read that too. They detected a "5% increase leaf increase" but don't say how much of that is forest leaf, most probably.
Therefore your "widely-renowned fact that crop yields have increased drastically as a result of Co2" evaporates the moment it is chalenged. Surrise, surprise. Stop making things up, it only makes you look like an arm-waving...um plonker. A whistling, arm-waving plonker.

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#1502629 - 11/07/2019 14:52 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler
Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Of course the fact that Severe Weather due to Climate Change will disrupt crop yields is ignored by the deniers.

Not to mention the prolonged droughts and torrential rains to come...

Climate change is affecting crop yields and reducing global food supplies

Correct on your first point—the early, recent effects of the Grand Solar Minimum have certainly taken a toll on the crop yields of yesteryear.

Now, as for your red statement...that, folks, is contradiction at its finest! laugh crazy poke




More Floods and More Droughts: Climate Change Delivers Both
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#1502630 - 11/07/2019 15:20 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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If it's [censored] cold it's climate change. If it's hot. It's climate change. If it snows. It's clmate change. If it doesn't snow it's climate change. If it rains it's climate change. If it doesn't rain its climate change.

It's a [censored] cult.
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#1502634 - 11/07/2019 15:41 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler

Correct on your first point—the early, recent effects of the Grand Solar Minimum have certainly taken a toll on the crop yields of yesteryear.


Now as for your red statement...that folks is denial and delusion at it's finest! grin

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#1502635 - 11/07/2019 15:43 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Eigerwand]
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Originally Posted By: Eigerwand


Without food humans die. Therefore people should eat as much as possible.. So god damn stupid, the reasoning on here.

Much research has been done to show that there is a point at which increasing CO2 is of little use to plant growth. It would also disrupt, rather quickly I might add, the balance between vegetation that can adapt or does better with more CO2 compared to that which does not. This may not be particularly beneficial to all life concerned.

Of course then there's excess CO2 dissolving in the oceans to form carbonic acid, lowering the PH of the world's ocean causing yet more problems.

I really do feel like compulsory voting is a bad idea when people display such feeble reasoning..



Here are some facts:

Increasing Co2 has a positive impact on plant and crop growth ... that point at which increasing it further and having no impact is orders of magnitude higher than the current 400ppm. Hence why greenhouses have a much higher Co2 concentration than the atmosphere, so yeah ....

This is a pretty good reference in terms of corn yields for the USA http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/01/u-s-corn-yield-a-new-record-again/

Global greening as mentioned above is also a real thing.

Also in terms of ocean acidification, marine life actually does quite well near underwater volcanoes, a natural source, where dissolved CO2 is very high compared to other areas.

To add, all these predictions for the future crop yields/drought/cyclones are bogus crap. In Australia, the worst droughts have been the Federation drought, early 1980's drought and the 1930's - 1940's drought and the Millenium drought. In the USA, by far the worst was the dust bowl in the 1930's, that combined with record high summer temps that still stand today. Cyclones also aren't on an upward trend.

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#1502636 - 11/07/2019 15:51 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Adaminaby Angler]
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Originally Posted By: Adaminaby Angler


“stems mainly from ambitious tree planting programs and intensive agriculture in both countries” (China and India). Nothing about proving increasing CO2 as being a driver in the greening process, just that it was initially suspected as being a contributor but then fell by the wayside in comparison to intentional tree planting and agriculture 😂

Are your feet sore AA??? Hard to imagine someone can go about shooting themselves in the foot so often. Especially a nut who I assume would know how to handle a gun given that he writes gun toting garbage like “poncy celebrities need a .700 through the noggin”.

Complete moron.

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#1502637 - 11/07/2019 16:12 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Eigerwand]
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Originally Posted By: Eigerwand

“stems mainly from ambitious tree planting programs and intensive agriculture in both countries” (China and India). Nothing about proving increasing CO2 as being a driver in the greening process, just that it was initially suspected as being a contributor but then fell by the wayside in comparison to intentional tree planting and agriculture 😂

Are your feet sore AA??? Hard to imagine someone can go about shooting themselves in the foot so often. Especially a nut who I assume would know how to handle a gun given that he writes gun toting garbage like “poncy celebrities need a .700 through the noggin”.

Complete moron.


Exactly the same can be said about global temperatures being influenced from solar activity, ocean currents, Pacific decadal oscillation, etc. nothing definitively proving CO2 as being a big of a driver in global temperatures. Now that CO2 theory is falling by the wayside of new research into the complex climate system that we still barely understand, and how many factors, large ones as I've mentioned a few, actually affect the climate and global temperatures instead of an increase in a trace gas.

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#1502638 - 11/07/2019 16:27 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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"Trace", as in how can anything so dilute have any possible significant effect?

Your "trace" gas was sustaining the world's forests a moment ago.


Edited by Delta-T (11/07/2019 16:28)

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#1502639 - 11/07/2019 16:33 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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Registered: 18/03/2004
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We have established that the climate changes about 5 billion years ago. We all die in the end and give rise to a new era.

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#1502640 - 11/07/2019 16:37 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: Delta-T]
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Good point but here's the thing:

In terms of sustaining the world's forrests, CO2 is required for plant life, due to photosynthesis. SO yes, without it they die. CO2 is only one of 3 reactants in the chemical equation, the other being water and sunlight. Then soil is required for growth.

In terms of global temperatures, the effect of CO2 is only a tiny player among much many larger players. It is like a reactant with a million others if you were to compare to it to the photosynthesis equation.

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#1502642 - 11/07/2019 16:45 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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"here's the thing" Jac0b - despite your 'splainin', you can't have it both ways.

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#1502643 - 11/07/2019 17:01 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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Haha! Man this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m still scratching my head as to how Jac0b thinks that because some marine life adapted over millions of years to thrive next to volcanic vents, that means ocean acidification for the thousands of species that didn’t evolve to cope with such conditions isn’t worth being concerned about.

Some real well thought out arguments gettin’ dropped on here 😂🤯

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#1502644 - 11/07/2019 17:15 Re: Climate Driver Discussion 2019 (Enso, IOD, PDO ,SAM etc) [Re: ColdFront]
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Plot twist - the forums aren't being shut down - WZ just wanted to create a Lord of the Flies situation.

Entertaining though

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